but community is at the front of that, and it really is up to your leadership up here to start telling the community what they're telling you but tell them back what it means to be involved in community policing. i am eager to take this next steps and see what that looks like. thank you again. i am glad you're doing this. it is great. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you for your leadership. supervisor campos: next speaker? if anybody from the public would like to speak, please come forward. >> good morning, supervisors. first of all, i would like to thank you for sponsoring this administrative code and to give some strength to our police department. i do not know, you know, what was the process in terms of getting input from the community. i would have liked to actually sit down and give some input, because this is like our baby in

the western addition the fillmore, and for years we have been saying that community policing, the goal of community policing is not the community policing itself. at this point, it is true. a lot of things have been said in the community, and a lot of people have given up when it comes to working with the police department and city governments. but this is a good sign. going forward, i think if you look at crn, that is a clear example of what the problem is. crn was never intended to be just like security guards the to come on at the scene and stand by and sometimes do the police work. crn, from the vision of community policing, which we presented to the mayor in 2006, was to create a 18 of community people that actually knew the law -- create a team of community people that actually knew the law. so when we come to the table,

one side will not be speaking over another. if i come to the table with the chief or anybody with the police department, i have to know something about the dgo. if i am trying to represent the community and the occ office does not respond in a timely manner, i have to know what the next process is. i think that is something that is missing with the crn. some of them are doing a good job, but we need to add more meat to the bones when it comes to crn and community policing. thank you. supervisor campos: thank you, sir. next speaker. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is ilet. i am from the bernal heights center. i wanted to say thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to come together and have this open to us. out of the youths i have worked

with, they have come to the monthly meeting to speak on the ordinance in the general order, and they're very, very happy that they have been heard. she's not here today, but she was at the community meeting at caesars of best elementary school. that was her when she said that was her voice. i think that exemplifies the type of community policing that we need. we all know that in order -- i have said this many times, in order to have a truly safe neighborhood, truly safe san francisco, of course we need the police. but the police also need us and our voices. i hope this is going to be the start of an amazing relationship for the future. we have started youth summit that colonel hite, one in two, where we had police officers come to the community, and they

were able to talk with the youth and close that gap that is missing. i hope that everybody will be there to express this amazing occasion that we have been having. thank you so much. supervisor campos: thank you. next speaker. >> hello, supervisors. my name is zachary. i wanted to bring up real quickly, i used to live in boulder, colorado, and they had a program called older citizens on control, beat cop. it is no longer in existence because there were overzealous community members trespassing. that is something to keep in mind. supervisor campos: thank you. next speaker. >> that morning. my name is douglas, and i have lived in san francisco for 59 years. i would like to make one suggestion in regards to my own interpretation of community policing. i know it might sound dangerous,

but i always thought that this was part of the job of being a policeman. i would like to suggest that the police department have a program where they vigorously use the police cars to stay at hot spots throughout the city, and while they are there, to pass out literature or fliers informing whoever is there that this is what they're doing and that they are going to be cutting out crime. i know that being a policeman is a dangerous job, but i am confident every single officer can protect themselves, so i do not think my idea is that dangerous. i think it is just part of being a policeman. and if we're going to stamp out these hot spots throughout the city, i think it is imperative that potential criminals realize that the police are there, will be there, and will take care of business as they see fit.

another way of putting it is to say we give them a gun, and i am sure everyone can use it properly and wisely. secondly, i would like to propose a controversial idea in regards to community policing. let's end the controversy and non-transparency about videogate. i propose that the city hire back andrew cohen, give him a chance to clear his name and use his experience to show that he's going to help the community rather than damage the community's reputation. i feel that the whole story is unknown about andrew cohen. i think the city should give him a chance to clear his name. thank you. supervisor campos: thank you very much. is there any other member of the public who would like to speak on this item? cnn, that includes the public comment portion of this item. thank you again, colleagues, for

your support. supervisor mirkarimi: ok, public comment is closed. thank you again, supervisor campos. i also want to thank so many people were not here today, who over the years, not just recently but over the last five years in particular, who have worked diligently and the three police chiefs to really advance what would be measured, rational, and accountable policies. we think that the culmination of those efforts have now arrived at a place where we can place the general orders and also then reflect its in ordinance and total law. i think that is an important milestone. thank you to all of those who cannot be here for this particular hearing. shall we take this and move this forward with recommendations? very good. so moved. thank you again. thank you, chief and staff. supervisor campos: thank you,

everyone. supervisor mirkarimi: madam clerk, next item. >> all items acted upon today will appear on the october 18 board agenda. item number two, resolution authorizing the public defender's office to accept and expend a grant in the amount of $149,896. supervisor mirkarimi: very good. would you like to speak to this, supervisor campos? supervisor campos: just briefly. thank you very much. this is an item i introduced, an item to accept and expend a grant for the purpose of implementing local juvenile justice accountability measures. this is through the juvenile accountability block grant, and these are resources that would certainly be very useful. and i hope to have your support. supervisor mirkarimi: ok. any public comment on this item?

>> [sings] i can see justice now the rain has gone i can see all measures and obstacles in my way gone are the dark city clubs that had miniblind it is going to be a bride, a bright justice day. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. any other public comments? seen none, the public comment is closed. madam clerk, next item. >> item 3, ordinance amending the health code in the article 35 to grade requirements for biological agent detectors. supervisor mirkarimi: supervisor david shute's office. >> good morning.

i am from david chiu's office. president chiu did this earlier this year, as one of the board's representative on the disaster council, like supervisor mirkarimi, and also because he represents many of the large office buildings in district 3 or this legislation might be relevant. i do have with me erica, the deputy health officer, but i just want to make a few brief remarks. she has a presentation, and we would be happy to answer any question that you have. in recent years, commercial vendors responded to concerns about by a terrorism among the broader target -- public, marketing to companies, building owners, a public institutions. unfortunately, many of these devices have not been tested in can create false alarms. there are hundreds of these products on the market right

now. a false alarm about a buy note -- about to buy a terrorism agent could cost us up to $700,000 per incident. there have been false alarms and other parts of the country. there was proposed legislation in your to regulate this industry. the legislation specifically requires anyone who possesses a biological agent detector to register that product with the city and abide by requirements and paid a fee to license the product. it requires that that person has a facility response plan if they have an incident. and there are penalties that their false alarms. finally, and the post-9/11 world, 10 years since 9/11, we need to be safe, but we need to make sure we do not create unnecessary public alarm when there is no need. there are no scientifically valid devices available for commercial uses. that is the impetus for this legislation. again, the doctor has a presentation or is happy to

answer questions that you have. supervisor mirkarimi: welcome. >> do you have a preference? i am happy to quickly walk through the presentation or do you want to move to questions? supervisor mirkarimi: if you like to give us a synopsis, by all means. >> ok. maybe not. essentially, you have it in front of you, as well. you already have a lot of the background about the commercial vendors to the there is a handbook on the market that has 300 pages of ares detectors that can be marketed. some are validated in the government are -- and are in public facilities. but we're concerned about the private sector. there's no standardization of

these products. and a lot of concerns about what the consequences of a false alarm would be. so we convene the mini department representatives, actually, several years ago to estimate the cost of false alarm. between the different agencies in the hours spent in response, not to mention the mental health and communication issues, it would cost the city over $700,000 per incident if we had a false, for example, anthrax alarm. and that is not including state or federal agencies. there is sort of a list here of the cost and fees of the potential response activities. we have emergency center evacuation's enclosure facilities until further notice, trafficking, crowd control issues to a criminal investigation. potentially decontamination of people or an entire building, which means hosing been down and having to remove their clothing. during sampling in surveillance of clinics and emergency rooms. and potentially giving out

antibiotics to mass numbers of people. and again, risk communication issues. the ordinance summary has already been addressed by mr. chiu. we went through this with the fire department and many other emergency responders agencies. they're all in support of this, as well. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you very much. >> sure. supervisor mirkarimi: by the way, what would the mess, detector look like and what buildings or institutions would they be installed -- what would a potential detector look like? >> potential institutions, people have come to the boma meetings, and people like the embarcadero center, the pyramid, buildings like that are the potential ones that might be marketed to or considered. the federal reserve, i think, was approached with a government program. the federal government is looking at installing these in

indoor airports and subways. those are the ones that they have sort of sponsored and validated. supervisor mirkarimi: but in terms of the private sector, the private sector who would feel the need to install these devices would feel, for some reason, under potential threat or risk. >> think would happen with new york city, there was a large finance firm, and i believe there are other multiple ones in new york city that installed the speed up and they had false alarms. that is when it new york city look at proposing this legislation. supervisor mirkarimi: but that was also in response to the fever at the time because of what had happened in washington when there had been the mailing of anthrax, supposedly, and other concerns i think that had been raised are around 9/11 and after 9/11. but they did not turn out to be

legitimate incidences', correct? >> the false alarms, right, were not legitimate. it was several years after 9/11, i believe around 2006, 2007. supervisor mirkarimi: has there been any incidences in other major cities, other than washington, d.c.? >> yes, there have been other false alarms in texas, washington, d.c., new york, many large cities have had false alarms, either from hand-held detectors or stationary detectors in buildings. supervisor mirkarimi: have their also been any true incidences' that have occurred? >> no. during 9/11, there were in multiple places. outside of 2011, there have not been any true intentional anthrax white powder releases. there have been some anthrax cases from imported drums from africa. supervisor mirkarimi: ok, thank

you. colleagues, any questions? ok, very good. thank you. we will take public comment on this item. >> [sings] what a fee for the biological agent man biological agent man you know he is that your item number and he is going to check the detector the best he can swinging down the city streets and finding detectors do not let the detector slip fix it secret biological agent man. supervisor mirkarimi: creative. any other public comment?

seen none, public comment is closed. would you like to take this the same way? very good. so moved. madam clerk, anything further? >> there are no further items. supervisor mirkarimi: very good. this meeting, public safety, is now adjourned. thank you.