staffing resources to make sure that community policing is more than just a paper target? >> as i said, if this is as intended, it covers everything, the officer to be engaged as prescribed in this order. i appreciate foot patrols, and they are actually in this order. if you look on page 3, the assignment of steady peace in sectors on a daily basis, regular attendance of beat officers at community meetings in their assigned areas and at regular staffing as it is allowed. there are going to be instances where there are other priorities that may take away from a foot beat. but foot beats are a priority for us. we know they are particularly special to those commercial corridors that have them.

there something that are specific to commercial and transit corridors. i know that neighborhoods have asked for foot beats that were too big of a place and that is just not how they are used. but to that end, i know is a deterrent on transit lines. i know that i work closely with supervisor cohen, making sure that our sure streetbeat are a priority and our staff -- to make sure that our third thatbeat are staffed. we may need to borrow from each other from day to day to make sure things work. but they are a priority. it is not take a day or two for a neighborhood that enjoys a foot beat, when they notice it is not around, to make enough to the captain, i want my foot beat back. it is not lost on the captain or myself. supervisor mirkarimi: how do you

sort of help enforce that level on continuity? you do have a rotational captain system. sometimes captains are yanked in the middle of the night from 10 different stations, and then the relationships that had been created by the community in that particular captain, they could have found a real winner. no, where it is just a win-win for the community and district station. the person they are replaced with is not like their predecessors. it is almost as if the switch has been reset. how do you ensure that level of continuity when that leadership chainge occurs with in the district's system? >> i am believe the captain's need to be where they are released 10 years, because it takes at least a year to get to know your community, another

year to make the station your own, and then another year if you need to make any adjustments. to that end, the captains that i have it stations, when they move, it will be for retirement or promotion going forward. that has usually been the case overtime anyway. an order like this though, and continuity, we have got a lot of turnover at the top in the police department over the last four to five years. to that end, some sort of stability over time will get that. plus, i think that this body, and this is why it was important to me, this is the first chance i have had to come to the public safety committee, and i appreciate the opportunity. i think we need to hold our feet to the fire with regard to this general order going forward, and we will be here every time to answer any questions or concerns.

supervisor cohen: do not worry, we will hold your feet to the fire. >> i remember that from before with you. supervisor campos: just to give you some ideas, as i am reading this department general order as a department general order, and that is the reason we wanted to codify it, remember that we're talking about a paramilitary organization, and their specific rules and guidelines. but a general order is exactly that, a general order that has to be followed and complied with by all the offices. i really think that it is important to highlight some of the key things that are required. interaction with youth, their specific expectations in terms of how every member of that department interacts with young people in the city and county of san francisco. if i am is a police officer and want to be in compliance with the spirit and the letter of

this general order, i would be thinking about how my actions as a member of the department essentially followed this tenet of that interaction with young people. communication with the community, one of the things that i have seen as captains have rotated in and out of different stations is that some are better than others at providing crime data to their district station. now, once this goes into affect, if you are a captain in any station, you have to have a plan for compliance. you have to know that, you know, providing crime data or communicating with all members of that community is not something that is desirable, which is how it has been treated in the past, but it is actually required. so you actually have to have a plan, a strategy in place to make that happen.

as a district captain, you have to think about how it is that you're going to provide training to your officers to comply with the tenets you have to understand with the community you're serving. so you are forced to do that, and it is not just seen as a good idea. it is a requirement that you provide that training institute or training plan. on the assignment of beats, it is not just that it requires that beats be created, but there has to be an assignment of offices so that there's a steady presence. some of the officers out of a beat, you have to think twice about how you do that, because you want to give the officers or walking a beat enough time to get to know the community and really understand the community. so you have to think about staffing in that way. it is not just a good idea.

now it is required. i think there are many things here that have the potential to really impact how the leadership of the different stations think about their day-to-day, and i think that if done properly, especially the training park, then i think it's also a trickle down to the entire police department. i think it is very powerful, but again, a general order, but again, the devil is in the detail of the implementation. i think that is where we need to continue to monitor this, to make sure that is implemented not only in compliance with the letter but also with the spirit of the details. >> i agree. i think it would be remiss to say that there are in notion of sentences the police officers, and actually officers all around the state and country, that conduct themselves exactly like this. supervisor campos: yes. >> and for them, this is not a change for how they would do

day-to-day business. there are other officers who may be less engaging or less precarious than some other officers, and this is going to have to make them try and find their chi, if you will, to raise the bar. supervisor campos: thank you, chief. supervisor mirkarimi: let's see if there is any more chi. thank you, chief. supervisor campos: if we can open it up to public comment, i see david, who is ready to speak, and he has been very engaged and involved not only in the drafting of this ordinance and working with chief suhr and the police department, but quite frankly, he has been involved in his neighborhood, his community, for many years. community policing as a two-way street. it is not just about what the

police department does, but it is also about what the community does. i think if there is an example of what you want to see members of the community do on these issues, david is that example. >> wow, thank you. first of all, i want to just say that we should congratulate ourselves. i mean, this was so much easier than we thought it would be, and everything is going great. we should celebrate. at the beginning of the year, we had a chief who was saying we're already doing community policing and there's no reason to define it. and now, you know, we went out and started to talk to people, and we found out that people do have a definition and the collaborative process we undertook with a very diverse group, people are nodding and agreeing, and that is very good in a group. even more important, when the general order was put out in the mission, there was a room with cops in it and a couple hundred

people from the community and everybody was smiling and nodding. i mean, that is amazing. that is really amazing. we should give a big whoo-hoo to that. the thing i want to say is a definition is great, and this general order is really amazing. i do not really know how police work, but i assume that is going to be very effective. i think, going forward, the public is going to need to know what this means. and to the people who, in your force, who exemplify this, like community policing is, i would like to see them acknowledged and to be publicly and within the department shown as examples. people who do not know what it means, i think they really actually need to say, this is how you do it, and i know you are going to have the best practices manual. but the public especially needs to see this happen, and it is

not just the police force, obviously. it is great that they are on board with this idea, but i run into it much more frequently that the community feels apathy, like it is the job of the police to do community policing. but community is at the front of that, and it really is up to your leadership up here to start telling the community what they're telling you but tell them back what it means to be involved in community policing. i am eager to take this next steps and see what that looks like. thank you again. i am glad you're doing this. it is great. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you for your leadership. supervisor campos: next speaker? if anybody from the public would like to speak, please come forward. >> good morning, supervisors. first of all, i would like to thank you for sponsoring this administrative code and to give

some strength to our police department. i do not know, you know, what was the process in terms of getting input from the community. i would have liked to actually sit down and give some input, because this is like our baby in the western addition the fillmore, and for years we have been saying that community policing, the goal of community policing is not the community policing itself. at this point, it is true. a lot of things have been said in the community, and a lot of people have given up when it comes to working with the police department and city governments. but this is a good sign. going forward, i think if you look at crn, that is a clear example of what the problem is. crn was never intended to be just like security guards the to come on at the scene and stand by and sometimes do the police work. crn, from the vision of community policing, which we

presented to the mayor in 2006, was to create a 18 of community people that actually knew the law -- create a team of community people that actually knew the law. so when we come to the table, one side will not be speaking over another. if i come to the table with the chief or anybody with the police department, i have to know something about the dgo. if i am trying to represent the community and the occ office does not respond in a timely manner, i have to know what the next process is. i think that is something that is missing with the crn. some of them are doing a good job, but we need to add more meat to the bones when it comes to crn and community policing. thank you. supervisor campos: thank you, sir. next speaker. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is ilet.

i am from the bernal heights center. i wanted to say thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to come together and have this open to us. out of the youths i have worked with, they have come to the monthly meeting to speak on the ordinance in the general order, and they're very, very happy that they have been heard. she's not here today, but she was at the community meeting at caesars of best elementary school. that was her when she said that was her voice. i think that exemplifies the type of community policing that we need. we all know that in order -- i have said this many times, in order to have a truly safe neighborhood, truly safe san francisco, of course we need the police. but the police also need us and

our voices. i hope this is going to be the start of an amazing relationship for the future. we have started youth summit that colonel hite, one in two, where we had police officers come to the community, and they were able to talk with the youth and close that gap that is missing. i hope that everybody will be there to express this amazing occasion that we have been having. thank you so much. supervisor campos: thank you. next speaker. >> hello, supervisors. my name is zachary. i wanted to bring up real quickly, i used to live in boulder, colorado, and they had a program called older citizens on control, beat cop. it is no longer in existence because there were overzealous community members trespassing. that is something to keep in mind. supervisor campos: thank you.

next speaker. >> that morning. my name is douglas, and i have lived in san francisco for 59 years. i would like to make one suggestion in regards to my own interpretation of community policing. i know it might sound dangerous, but i always thought that this was part of the job of being a policeman. i would like to suggest that the police department have a program where they vigorously use the police cars to stay at hot spots throughout the city, and while they are there, to pass out literature or fliers informing whoever is there that this is what they're doing and that they are going to be cutting out crime. i know that being a policeman is a dangerous job, but i am confident every single officer can protect themselves, so i do not think my idea is that dangerous. i think it is just part of being a policeman.

and if we're going to stamp out these hot spots throughout the city, i think it is imperative that potential criminals realize that the police are there, will be there, and will take care of business as they see fit. another way of putting it is to say we give them a gun, and i am sure everyone can use it properly and wisely. secondly, i would like to propose a controversial idea in regards to community policing. let's end the controversy and non-transparency about videogate. i propose that the city hire back andrew cohen, give him a chance to clear his name and use his experience to show that he's going to help the community rather than damage the community's reputation. i feel that the whole story is unknown about andrew cohen.

i think the city should give him a chance to clear his name. thank you. supervisor campos: thank you very much. is there any other member of the public who would like to speak on this item? cnn, that includes the public comment portion of this item. thank you again, colleagues, for your support. supervisor mirkarimi: ok, public comment is closed. thank you again, supervisor campos. i also want to thank so many people were not here today, who over the years, not just recently but over the last five years in particular, who have worked diligently and the three police chiefs to really advance what would be measured, rational, and accountable policies. we think that the culmination of those efforts have now arrived at a place where we can place the general orders and also then reflect its in ordinance and total law. i think that is an important

milestone. thank you to all of those who cannot be here for this particular hearing. shall we take this and move this forward with recommendations? very good. so moved. thank you again. thank you, chief and staff. supervisor campos: thank you, everyone. supervisor mirkarimi: madam clerk, next item. >> all items acted upon today will appear on the october 18 board agenda. item number two, resolution authorizing the public defender's office to accept and expend a grant in the amount of $149,896. supervisor mirkarimi: very good. would you like to speak to this, supervisor campos? supervisor campos: just briefly. thank you very much. this is an item i introduced, an item to accept and expend a grant for the purpose of implementing local juvenile justice accountability measures.

this is through the juvenile accountability block grant, and these are resources that would certainly be very useful. and i hope to have your support. supervisor mirkarimi: ok. any public comment on this item? >> [sings] i can see justice now the rain has gone i can see all measures and obstacles in my way gone are the dark city clubs that had miniblind it is going to be a bride, a bright justice day. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. any other public comments? seen none, the public comment is closed.

madam clerk, next item. >> item 3, ordinance amending the health code in the article 35 to grade requirements for biological agent detectors. supervisor mirkarimi: supervisor david shute's office. >> good morning. i am from david chiu's office. president chiu did this earlier this year, as one of the board's representative on the disaster council, like supervisor mirkarimi, and also because he represents many of the large office buildings in district 3 or this legislation might be relevant. i do have with me erica, the deputy health officer, but i just want to make a few brief remarks. she has a presentation, and we would be happy to answer any question that you have. in recent years, commercial

vendors responded to concerns about by a terrorism among the broader target -- public, marketing to companies, building owners, a public institutions. unfortunately, many of these devices have not been tested in can create false alarms. there are hundreds of these products on the market right now. a false alarm about a buy note -- about to buy a terrorism agent could cost us up to $700,000 per incident. there have been false alarms and other parts of the country. there was proposed legislation in your to regulate this industry. the legislation specifically requires anyone who possesses a biological agent detector to register that product with the city and abide by requirements and paid a fee to license the product. it requires that that person has a facility response plan if they have an incident. and there are penalties that their false alarms. finally, and the post-9/11 world, 10 years since 9/11, we

need to be safe, but we need to make sure we do not create unnecessary public alarm when there is no need. there are no scientifically valid devices available for commercial uses. that is the impetus for this legislation. again, the doctor has a presentation or is happy to answer questions that you have. supervisor mirkarimi: welcome. >> do you have a preference? i am happy to quickly walk through the presentation or do you want to move to questions? supervisor mirkarimi: if you like to give us a synopsis, by all means. >> ok. maybe not. essentially, you have it in front of you, as well. you already have a lot of the background about the commercial

vendors to the there is a handbook on the market that has 300 pages of ares detectors that can be marketed. some are validated in the government are -- and are in public facilities. but we're concerned about the private sector. there's no standardization of these products. and a lot of concerns about what the consequences of a false alarm would be. so we convene the mini department representatives, actually, several years ago to estimate the cost of false alarm. between the different agencies in the hours spent in response, not to mention the mental health and communication issues, it would cost the city over $700,000 per incident if we had a false, for example, anthrax alarm. and that is not including state or federal agencies. there is sort of a list here of the cost and fees of the potential response activities. we have emergency center evacuation's enclosure facilities until further notice,

trafficking, crowd control issues to a criminal investigation. potentially decontamination of people or an entire building, which means hosing been down and having to remove their clothing. during sampling in surveillance of clinics and emergency rooms. and potentially giving out antibiotics to mass numbers of people. and again, risk communication issues. the ordinance summary has already been addressed by mr. chiu. we went through this with the fire department and many other emergency responders agencies. they're all in support of this, as well. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you very much. >> sure. supervisor mirkarimi: by the way, what would the mess, detector look like and what buildings or institutions would they be installed -- what would a potential detector look like? >> potential institutions, people have come to the boma meetings, and people like the

embarcadero center, the pyramid, buildings like that are the potential ones that might be marketed to or considered. the federal reserve, i think, was approached with a government program. the federal government is looking at installing these in indoor airports and subways. those are the ones that they have sort of sponsored and validated. supervisor mirkarimi: but in terms of the private sector, the private sector who would feel the need to install these devices would feel, for some reason, under potential threat or risk. >> think would happen with new york city, there was a large finance firm, and i believe there are other multiple ones in new york city that installed the speed up and they had false alarms. that is when it new york city look at proposing this legislation. supervisor mirkarimi: but that was also in response to the fever at the time because of what had happened in washington

when there had been the mailing of anthrax, supposedly, and other concerns i think that had been raised are around 9/11 and after 9/11. but they did not turn out to be legitimate incidences', correct? >> the false alarms, right, were not legitimate. it was several years after 9/11, i believe around 2006, 2007. supervisor mirkarimi: has there been any incidences in other major cities, other than washington, d.c.? >> yes, there have been other false alarms in texas, washington, d.c., new york, many large cities have had false alarms, either from hand-held detectors or stationary detectors in buildings. supervisor mirkarimi: have their also been any true incidences'

that have occurred? >> no. during 9/11, there were in multiple places. outside of 2011, there have not been any true intentional anthrax white powder releases. there have been some anthrax cases from imported drums from africa. supervisor mirkarimi: ok, thank you. colleagues, any questions? ok, very good. thank you. we will take public comment on this item. >> [sings] what a fee for the biological agent man biological agent man you know he is that your item number and he is going to check the detector the best he can swinging down the city streets and finding detectors do not let the detector slip

fix it secret biological agent man. supervisor mirkarimi: creative. any other public comment? seen none, public comment is closed. would you like to take this the same way? very good. so moved. madam clerk, anything further? >> there are no further items. supervisor mirkarimi: very good. this meeting, public safety, is now adjourned. thank you.