? >> it all falls into the other, because the opening of the walls would be part of the building, which the building inspector would in spec. there is a program in san francisco for a safe practices during a demolition and anything the and they would have to appeal to the. there is an ordinance would save practices regarding lead. >> that complicates people staying in the building. >> it is more for the work. they have to put down car. they have to make sure they do

cleanup and all the stuff. >> that address is one of the questions i have. >> there is a letter on the record of this building would not be insurable. do you know if the practice is common? >> i have never come across the before, but i did understand that your good -- i never understood that. we would not get involved in that. >> why would you understand they would send a letter like that? >> because the building may not be safe, and if the building was in temporary shoring and something happened, those

ethnic complicates structure? -- does that complicates structure? i have never seen that before. i find it interesting as well. >> i think tonight the appellant makes other buildings so they were able to move around. the project sponsor has stated those were larger buildings were something where that was practical. given the type of seismic work that is going to be done, do you think it is feasible to have people living in those units when that is going on?

>> when that is going on in the units? >> given the type of seismic work is contemplated. >> i think it would be in the basement or garage aboat that point. i have seen people living through that before. i have seen people living in their houses. they tend to not use that room for a while. it all depends. i think the engineer might be better speaking about that, but i have seen people living through construction, and i have seen people moving out. if you are going to take it off throughout the entire unit,

there is no way you can live there. that is when it becomes really uncomfortable and dangerous, and sometimes you may have to move the kitchen cabinets out of the way, so you lose your kitchen, but it is more of an inconvenience. >> the issue having to do with plumbing and electrical, a representative for the appellant suggested it was possible to bypass. there is some way to do all the work and continue to supply tenants with plumbing and electrical. >> i have seen that you can bypass a circuit and use a different circuit and not the

power in one unit and keep it now on in another. i have seen they can do that. that sounds reasonable. >> i just remembered another question. you feel you have a familiarity with the scope in the garage, what it would involve, how much time it might take? >> it all depends. i do not know how big their crew would be. if you have enough people and you wanted to get it done quick, you could get it done quickly.

i would say maybe six months. it all depends. it is a foundation that is a structural upgrade. it is hard to say, because those projects this size would have a timeline, and they are pretty strict about that. it is a foundation for the apartment building. >> of 5-unit building would be significant to the project birgit >> i would say six months would be conservative.

>> thank you. >> is there public comment on this item? seeing none, we will move into rebuttal. >> it is is important not to serve just -- to note that they could live within the garage, and assuring could be done to make it saves. there are only three people and the building, and we are suggesting we move to a vacant units, and after the ground work was done, and then removal happens in the units they are living in very good -- they are

living in. it does not spread into the units. that is what neil we talked about. gooit is just a matter of switching the service one day and turning it back on, and the ones that are caps are the ones that are going to be removed. there has been no testing if they are concerned about dust. they are going to have yoto do .

you cannot have as best dose -- asbestos coming in. there is no reason why it cannot be done with the tenants in the second and third floor and done in seven months, and then they are not going to get the second 200,000 because they are not going to get the increases, so if you have any questions. >> i do have a request. it states something with request to the payment.

>> what we stated was there would be some cost savings. >> are the requesting payment of their storage? >> they cannot pay out of their own pocket if they did not have some of the money to fund it. the other option would be if the board does not feel they can keep them into the building for the whole time, then obviously the relocation is much less as well.

>> i know you disagree about whether or not the tenants have to be moved, but there must be some projects were you would agree it is very necessary to move to the tenants out of it, and it is going toward the idea that i would agree that 8500 and now seems inadequately. why is that so low? >> it is a three-month term. 8500 as a rental deferential makes some sense, but when we are talking about a project that is going to take nine months, it is not going to cover those long-term tenants.

8500 will cover it for a month or two but not beyond that -- not beyond that. >> certainly they must contemplate that some projects take longer than three months by necessity. >> they have a provision that allows the landlord to request an extension. they are supposed to do it within three months, and if not, they have to justify the extension. >> as far as you know, is everything of done? >> according to law? yes, there has been no attempt to evict yet. goowe are not contesting he shod

not do the work. we are not saying we do not think this works. some of this is voluntary. it is not necessary. >> what part is not necessary? >> the walls above the ground floor, those not required by code. the two things in this for months that require the removal of the wall finishes. >> they would have to be removed to complete the electrical and plumbing work but not all of them. you do not remove all the walls and the entire apartment. the removing of nature walls appears to be for purposes of

sound insulation and the perimeter walls, putting them on the interior and not on the exterior. >> we know from the freeze there was some negotiations that took place -- from buthe brief there were some negotiations that took place. to some have to do with an amount beyond 8500? >> we were sent the papers, and we were meant whiffs -- met with resistance. >> thank you. >> i am a tenant in the building, and if you will bear with me while i make a written statement. furs are will state i do not

want to relocate because it will be a great financial hardship. relocation is not financially possible, as the relocation payment would only last a few months and i would not be able to pay the new rent. there are some teand landlords to make every effort to cooperate with tenants. i have been there through two earthquakes, and it rides very nice. we only ask that a hardship for displacement be mitigated by allowing us to stay. we asked the board modify this. for the record, i would like to correct misrepresentations that concerns me. the effort to discredit me is incorrect. i am retired. i refuse this misrepresentation.

there are copies of my registration of incomes. there have been no profit in five years. my real estate license is active. i frequently call my sister on the east coast. i am not transacting calls on the east coast for business. i thank you for your audience. >> you talked about efforts made to mitigate. is there a time you would agree to leave short of the seven months? >> i do not know how well this has been characterized, but this is a two-stage process. there is the work that we believe can be done, and it is done frequently with tenants in the building. it is the work where there might be a time worse than others.

>> i am trying to get out what that might be. >> part of it is we do not know what the schedule is. >> yes, i would be willing if the relocation payment were adequate to get out of it to make it easier. we doesn't do not want to be hanging out for a year or year and a half. >> anything else? thank you. >> you have three minutes of about rebuttal. >> i am going to have the general contractor to respond to these. >> good evening. i am edward mullins. i have been a licensed contractor id sandford cisco since 1989. i have been familiar with these types of projects. i understand there are plenty of

projects that have happened, and nobody has gotten hurt. that does not mean something is not going to happen. i have to look at taking care of the building's first, and i have to be concerned with and trained professionals coming into the property and have to worry about them -- concerned with untrained professionals coming into the property. in terms of supporting the property, i did not know if this statement has been brought up yet, but paris this is a house mover who said in order to do this properly he has to have laws in the middle of each property. they need to be in the middle of each property to the rules.

good all of the wall finishes need to be removed. the family is very meticulous. they are very courteous the main thing about david is that he is always concerned about the next earthquake. it goes to say it is going to stand the test of time. all of these are going to be good for nothing if this building is insecure. i have been involved for 20 years. he finally found one who came up with the design he is head over heels for. it is easy to say it only needs

to be done in the first floor, but he is taking it to the roof. this is a special properties, and he wants to keep it on track. we will have to shove the toilet is down. i am absent that is a health code. if you look at the pictures you can see the pipes are rusted and cicadas. in building a movement -- they took off a few finishes, and the pipes in the walls are severely decade, which means it is not just those exposed in the garage. is it is those -- it is those in the building. >> you can have another 30 seconds. i gave the other side another 30 seconds. >> i just wanted to bring oup --

the other thing is it is very simple to say we can -- to say we can stay there. the building is going to be open to all the elements. i do not even know when we are going to start -- december, january? the building is going to be open. the heat is going to be cut off. this is going to add time and a lot of money. i would be worried about setting a schedule, working late and making sure they are back on. that is a little unreasonable. >> i just have one question. would you be in charge of scheduling the construction compan?

>> i would think so. yes, we do have a timeline we are supposed to meet, and the longer this goes on it is going to be difficult. >> so you can accommodate various elements. >> every project is different. this is a lot different than dealing with a single family. >> can you talk about the timeline, setting aside the loans. just the work. it's the building was vacant, how long the you anticipate a were common -- do you anticipated the work?

>> there is a dearth the house to be excavated. -- dirt that has to be excavated. this is an intense job. goit is not a walk in the park. >> this include the excavation of 700 yards? >> yes. a lot of it is sitting in the dirt. the garage is a bonus to the project. we have to open everything up to do the foundation correctly. as i mentioned before, he is extremely confident about the design, and that is what he wants to stick with. >> you said nine or 12 months. you also mentioned a all the

wall coverings off, and things that seem may be cosmetic. i understand he would need some of the plumbing and electrical, but what if you did not need to do that? >> we would be tied into services together with -- tying two surfaces together. >> by the time you have existing finishes, you have to take those into consideration, that you would be disturbing us hester's while you are trying to put the new finishes in anti those together. -- anti those together.

the best thing would be if everyone can do their job. >> i understand that. from the general contractor perspective, that makes sense, but there are tenants on fixed incomes for whom it is not so easy to go someplace else. i am trying to see if there is some way they can stay. >> anyone can stay. it might take 50% longer. >> thank you. >> it raises another question i would have for the owner. i understand these three tenants

have had what some would consider to be a terrific deal. is the street right there? >> yes. >> they live in a beautiful area. they probably have views. they are getting a good deal. let's make the assumption they actually to have financial problems ascribed. somebody talked about equity, and it has been stated it would be far more expensive, take longer, and i do not know anyone would consider a reasonable compromise, but if we were to double the allowance offered nine iron who rent board.

it allows for three months, and doubling it will only allow six months. goowould that be something to consider bowman -- something to consider bow? >> given that answer, the other members would agree, but how quickly can you get in touch with them? >> i do not think we have jurisdiction. >> i am not opposed. when i am done, if you are to

take them somewhere else, i would welcome them. the delay is going to cost money. we might offer it as a compromise. >> you understand it is between the parties. goowaxman we tried to -- >> we y to make it as convenient as possible. we did not want to postpone this hearing to 2 our time line, so i cannot get a hold of them now.

>> assuming someone else would be willing to have a continuance. we do not meet again until the 26 of october. >> that is where i have to leave it i suppose. >> thank you. crux of the parties reach an agreement, the matter could be withdrawn. is there any more from the department moment -- from the department? >> just looking at the plants, i am not sure how much work is in place in the units. if you look at it, someone needs