taken place inside the dwelling units. i see some details, but there does not seem to bee -- part of this is having to move people out of the unit, but how much work has taken place in the actual dwelling units beaumon? i think the majority of work is on the ground floor, but i cannot say how much work has taken place inside the units. >> we heard them talk about removing all the wall covering. >> we would need to get clarification of your johan -- clarification. that is just something i thought i would mention to you as well.

>> thank you. >> it is up to our president. >> excuse me. >> we were able to contact my parents by phone, and they were able to agree to donuble relocating costs. >> that was a question by one member. we are not trying to mediate the issue other than to suggest you talk to each other. >> we are welcome to suggestions. all we want to do is move forward. >> i will have to talk about it. we were talking about something not as long. we were talking about a six- month limit.

we were hoping for something shorter than that, and our willingness to live with the obstruction and norway'noise thn happen until it is moved, but i would have to talk with sadda--. >> would you be open to a continuance? >> i think we will be open for a continuance. >> you would not wait until the next case? >> we karen. -- can. no problem talking to my clients during the next case. i think it might be more effective.

perhaps you could huddle and come back. would you like to hear this case? >> then we can bring it back and talk about maybe having deliberations and voting on the case. >> we will continue this item and call item no. 9 carrie. it is protesting the issue on august 18, of a permit to alter

the building, and remodel, and i addition, a three-story addition commo, basement additi, reconfigure basement and sparta. i see both parties. who would like to speak first? >> i will speak first. >> did you work that out? >> he gave me the green light. if i have helped him with this, and we reached a settlement agreement in the hallway, and on that basis, we have requested the appellant withdraw, and i am now going to let the appellants representatives confirmed he represents the appellant and we

have reached an agreement. >> i am representing the appellant in this case, and we came to an agreement, and we would like to withdraw, and thank you for your patience. >> would you like your agreement on a record? >> yes. goohere it is. basically, our our will paraphrase it. it is that now our project sponsors will conduct the boundary survey. the boundary line will be marked in plain view of thosboth parti.

the project sponsor will use of us engineering practices. also naming the appellant as additional ensured. the private sponsor will pay 50% of the cost. there will be flash to fill any gaps between the buildings. the prostate sponsor will pay for creating a boundary fence on the western property line.

they will allow reasonable access to the property to make needed repairs and maintenance. there are other terms that are not performing, but we reach. the agreement is on a computer screen. these are most of them, but there are more of them during good -- more of them. >> we have dealt with that. >> in other words, we have made physical changes to the

properties. >> since we have heard from the parties, i think we should see if there is any public comment. i see no public comment. the matter has been withdrawn, so there is no need for action on your part. >> congratulations to the project sponsor. i hope you raise a lovely family. >> we moved back to item 10. maybe you can go and see if the parties can come back in the room. >> why don't we take a five minute

>> we are returning to i contend. -- item 10. an fis the board. -- advise the board. >> our clients would be willing, if it is a six month limit, to agree to slightly less, but i do not know. we would even be willing to -- they could move into any of the three units available after six months, and then move into their own unit, if they do not get anything done. they only have to get three units done, but i think they have a problem with the time limit. >> we spoke briefly in the hallway. we definitely could agree to more money to alleviate the

problems, the financial concerns. it is difficult, especially in this short a time, to commit to a six-month time to get the work done. i am not a contractor, but i am sure the contractors here would agree that is too short a time. there are too many variables to commit to a time like that. but we are certainly willing to negotiate and work with addressing financial problems with temporary relocation. we would prefer to start right away. we will continue to negotiate with the tenant. before we can even serve a notice, we have to file for our petition. we anticipate the work will take longer than three months. then we have to give a 60-day notice. depending on what mr. collier and his clients want to do, which could end up with three jury trials. negotiation is important to us.

i am sorry that got misunderstood early on. we are perfectly willing to negotiate. vice president garcia: as our director explained, if we were to continue this, at any time between now and the date we continued it to, you could simply call and withdraw the appeal. if that would accommodate both sides, that might be the best tack to take. >> i understand that. we would prefer not to have the appeal upheld. we would like to go forward with the project. but like i said, mr. collier and these clients -- there are a lot of steps before we can even start the project. some property owners would like to speak as well. but there are lots of steps to

negotiate before moving forward. we would like to get onto the next step. we would welcome any opportunity to negotiate. >> the concerns, as i see it, are relocating aspects. i am meeting the tenants with a reimbursement for their relocating. i feel like i am meeting their needs. i want to meet their needs. i need to get my needs met as well. i do not have time. we cannot get this job prolonged any longer. i would like the tenants to take over negotiating in good faith, and i would like some back. i would like to move forward and not continue. commissioner peterson: you cannot figure out a way to get these tenants back in a within six months? >> i can figure a way. it is simply move fast. but like david said, and anybody who has been through

construction, things happen. it is our interest to get them back. they are tenants. we want to get them back. i just cannot say that i can guarantee it. commissioner hwang: depending on how the vote goes, aren't you better off having a vacant building for six months? >> i am better off having in vacant for as little as possible. commissioner peterson: nobody addressed this from your side, which is the proposal of shifting people into the spaces that are available when, for example, as mr. collier just stay put -- if after six months, work is not done, but you could have a timelines of the units that are available can be moved back into -- you could prioritize, right? your contractor will do whatever

you want, in the fashion you want it. if there is a way to do it, i have not heard anyone address that. >> it is my understanding that the work cannot be done well, unit by unit. much of the work is systematic. our engineer is here. he could speak on behalf of that. commissioner peterson: i would like to hear that, because it is unclear to me. >> i am the project engineer. i am a licensed professional engineer. it is my opinion that this work is too cumbersome to be done unit by unit. in everyone's interest, the best way to do it quickly is to vacate the building. the issue, the code issues alone -- is building needs to be upgraded. all this needs to be upgraded. it is a fire hazard. remember the case at the fillmore. we do not want that to happen

here. we need to write down all the ceiling and dishes in the building. -- rip down all the ceiling finishes in the building and install the surfaces. this needs to be done in one go, not unit by unit. commissioner hwang: don't you do one piece at a time anyway? >> that is the quickest procedure. commissioner hwang: you could take down three units and then the next three units. >> to get rid of all the house of this materials as quickly as possible, there are no -- to get rid of the hazardous materials as quickly as possible, we need all of the residents out of the building. there is a common entrance. it is hard to move the hazardous material through the building. commissioner hwang: what is the time lag for spreading out the

work in a more piecemeal fashion? >> it could double the construction time easily. that is setting aside all the announced that are already there. in an existing building like that, you might open a section of wall and find brought everywhere. that adds delays. -- and find dry rot everywhere. commissioner hwang: i understand the project sponsor wants to start the work immediately. at the same time, i have heard different people say everything is speculative and untested. what sort of research has been done? you have a hard deadline somewhere, right? i have not heard them. >> a standard building of that age, you expect lead paint. you expect it in the cluster.

you expect it in the plumbing. one person can have a shower at any one time. commissioner hwang: you expect asbestos. >> no samples have been taken, but it is assumed. commissioner hwang: 1 not? >> because of the time frame. commissioner hwang: there are vacant units, right? president goh: i am afraid maybe you did not here when mr. -- hear when mr. duffy said you do not use-- lose the occupancy of the building, from a building department point of view. i know you are saying it is more efficient to do it all, but what about doing that just the basement forced sex -- first? >> you will be disconnecting the

services. the building will be literally lifted off its foundation. they are connected, unfortunately. president goh: ok. thank you. you can come and answer my question. just come up to the microphone. >> earlier, the house movers said we needed to construct interior walls in the apartment in order to construct them -- to support them possibly. commissioner peterson: are we in deliberations? >> you could move into those. president goh: mr. collier would like to answer my question. >> i have done demolition and the tenants are in place. they did it in the vacant units. they did not do lead and asbestos testing. they did the demolition without asbestos testing, without knowing if it was hazardous.

i think that tells you a lot about whether there really are concerned. -- they really are concerned. president goh: we did see those pictures. vice president garcia: we cut it off. president goh: i think we have heard enough, thank you. the vice president, i did you like -- i did like your idea about a continuance, giving them a chance. vice president garcia: i agree. here is what i would offer. the incentive for the project sponsor -- we have to accept that mr. collier probably knows a great deal. he has suggested that if this project were to take longer than three months, of which everyone agrees it will take, you would have to apply for some sort of extension to the rent board. that might involve up in the

$8,500 anyway. what complicates this particular case is the fact that we're talking about the permit itself, because half of this house to do with plumbing and electrical. the permit that is before us has to do with the excavation down below. we do not know the whole scope of the work. i would say here is where the project sponsor benefits from a continuance. it is a way of all the other delays you might have, if you are not able to reach agreement with the tenants, and decide what ever you can reach to satisfy them -- that might save you a lot more time and money. as to this side, i will show my hand right now. i think it is going to be highly impractical, even a life safety issue, and in feasible for this project to go forward with tenants in the building.

i am not saying that were we to vote right now i would vote for that. i do not think enough negotiation has taken place or another consideration has been given to the fact that there will be further delays for the tenants on some of these guidelines. that had nothing to do with the fact that i thought it could take six months. i was giving nine months. in concession, i was asking the project sponsor double the amount you would do, even though it might not cover the entire time. that is now. i do not know where this is going to land. as has been mentioned, both sides, as quickly as you can get together and negotiate -- someone could pick up the phone and withdraw the appeal. the permits issued, and you are ready to go, assuming the other people of here are in favor of

the continuance. does anyone else have a comment? otherwise, i move we continue this to november 6. commissioner hwang: i will show my hand as well. i think the briefing was pretty compelling on the part of the tenants. i think, frankly, that the request is very reasonable. i have not heard otherwise from the department. if the work can be done and the tenants assume the risk of having inconvenience and loud noises, and that is what they want in order to stand their ground and hold on to their apartments, they should be able to do so. i also agree from a pragmatic

perspective that to avoid further cost of time and litigation, a continuance would be appropriate. president goh: i agree. is there emotion on the table? unless commissioner peterson has some comment, i am ready to vote. >> we should call the vote. the motion would be to continue to october 26 to allow the parties further time to discuss a settlement. commissioner hwang: i will not be here. i have a memorial service out of the country. >> on that motion from the vice president to continue the matter to october 26 to allow settlement negotiations to go forward, commissioner fung is absent.

the vote is 4-0. the matter is continued. >> there is no further business. president goh: we are adjourned.

>> i am the director of visual arts programming at intersection for the arts. intersection for the arts is based in san francisco and has always been an organization that looks at larger social political issues through the lens of practice, and we are here today at our exhibition of "chico and chang." the original inspiration was drawn from a restaurant chain in new york city. half of their menu is -- what struck me was the graphic pictures and a man in a hat on a rig truck carrying take that time is containers and in the black sea to representation of a mexican guy wearing a sombrero and caring a somali horn. it struck me that these two large, very subversive complex

cultures could be boiled down to such simple representations. chico and chang primarily looks at four topic areas. one of the man was is whose stories are being told and how. one of the artisans in the show has created an amazing body of work working with young adults calling themselves the dreamers. another piece of the exhibition talks about whose stories of exhibition are actually being told. one artist created a magnificent sculpture that sits right in the center of the exhibition. >> these pieces are the physical manifestation of a narrative of a child in memory. an important family friend give us a dining table, very important, and we are excited about it.

my little brother and i were 11, 14. we were realizing that they were kind of hand prints everywhere on the bottom where no one would really see, and it became this kind of a weakening of what child labor is. it was almost like an exercise to show a stranger that feeling we had at that moment. >> the second thing the exhibition covers is how the allocation is defined, a great example on the theme, sculpture called mexicali culture. another bay area artist who has done residencies in china and also to what, mexico. where immigrant communities really helped define how

businesses look of a business' sign age and interior decoration, her sculptural piece kind of mismatches the two communities together, creating this wonderful, fantastical future look at what the present is today. first topic is where we can see where the two communities are intersecting and where they start colliding. teresa fernandez did a sculptural installation, utilizing the ubiquitous blue, white, and read patterns of a rayon bag that many communities used to transport laundry and laundromats to buy groceries and such. she created a little installation kind of mucking up the interior of a household, covering up as many objects that are familiar to the i and the fabric. fourth area of investigation that the exhibition looks at is the larger concerns of the asian and latin communities intersecting with popular cultur

one best example -- when he's exemplified is what you see when you enter into the culture. >> this piece refers to restaurants in tijuana. when you are driving, to speak chinese and you read chinese characters. you see these signs. i was trying to play with the idea of what you see and the direction you read. when you start mixing these different groups of people, different cultures, i like the idea. you can comment on somebody else's culture or someone else's understanding about culture.