back under the pilot included in that. >> so it will be included? ok, great. any other questions or comments on the resolution? >> move it. >> second. commissioner vietor: ok, any public comment on this item? >> thank you. i would like to wear both of my hats for just a minute and say that it is exciting to hear you guys addressing this issue. it is exciting from a gardening point of view. i was on the panel yesterday that talked about how urban gardens can be productive and use less water than other types of landscaping. i would like to say -- you ask a question about curtailment during drought. i think that this project go forward, as you except proposals from folks who might want to start a community garden, it

would be great to see puc encouraging as part of the proposal how you will manage water, how much water you think you will need, how you're going to work with the land to keep water on site, make the most out of rainwater. i think that the urban agriculture movement in san francisco is savvy about water issues and is interested in not only teaching about gardening, but as dan was saying, in rainwater attachment, in alternate scenarios. and from a tuolome reported you, any of that is great. they can take pressure off the river, but teach people. these are often public spaces that teach people about how to manage water in their own back yard. i think there is a value there. so, yes, in ways that you can build that into the proposal process, i think that would be beneficial and that the community would be receptive to it. i think there are other water benefits to community gardens. i just wanted to mention briefly, one of my favorite

things about hayes valley farm is it is a palm culture farm and we do a lot to build the best to try to keep rain water on the land and that relieves some pressure on our combined sewer/storm water system. there is a giant parking lot at the bottom of hayes valley farm within two biggest that used to be the freeway on and off ramps that used to be a parking lot. i have lived right next door. that is how i got involved since i moved to san francisco, and the parking lot used to flood every time there was a rainstorm. parking lot would have huge puddles, huge floods, and all of that water was coming off of these hills, and all of the states, and i could show you pictures that when it rains now, it is being sunk into the site. i think there are a lot of benefits. thanks again for addressing the issue. i think the community has a challenge of using less water and can show in some ways about how it can use less water. >> thank you. yes, i mean i would like to see

part of this pilot. it kind of balance these two resolutions. some work on the real benefit of the community gardens and urban agriculture on water, with the potential is for saving, keeping and out of the waste stream for rainwater harvesting for all of these things that we have talked about. it seems like fertile ground, so to speak. or some kind of analysis. other comments on the water piece -- on this resolution at this time? hearing none, all those in favor? opposed? motion carries. thank you very much. >> item 17, discussion and possible action authorizing the san francisco public utilities commission general manager to consent to a proposed sublease to that certainly is dated september 12, 1995, by and between the city, as landlord, and san antonio center llc, a

california limited liability company as tenants in mountain view, california, transferring a portion of lease rights to mgp ix properties, a delaware limited liability company. >> good morning. real-estate director. i bring to you again a request by one of our largest tenants, san antonio associates, for you to consent to a sublease for 1.04 acres of land to be used for a park access and a plaza. we have changed the sublease act -- language slightly after meeting with commission according to address his concerns over prevailing wage payment in santa clara county. now, section 24.22 will read that the prevailing wage will be determined according to the rates set in san francisco county. i am available for any questions. >> questions, comments? >> i do have a comment. i want to express my gratitude

to the general manager and staff for taking the time to sit with us. i know that the office, especially your office, is overwhelmed with the volume of responsibilities. i think it -- it is certainly a good step in the right direction, and i look forward to having good conversations. as far as we are concerned, that this case closed. >> thank you. >> are you moving it? >> if it is appropriate, i will. >> any comments from the public on this? >> we have no speaker cards. commissioner vietor: all those in favor? suppose? motion passes. thank you. >> madam president, the next item according to the rules of order would be, as required, discussion and possible action in accordance with rule 6 of the rules of order of the san francisco public utilities commission to nominate and elect

officers at the first duly noticed regular meeting after the first day of october. so, if you would care to entertain nominations for officers. commissioner vietor: i would -- i would like to entertain that. i would like commissioner caen to speak. commissioner caen: i certainly would. first of all, we are seeing the end of your brain for now. -- the end of your reign for now. you have done a stupendous job. we really like your leadership. meetings have run stupendously. your input is very thorough, and we appreciate all your hard work. but at this time, i would like to nominate commissioner torres to become vice president of this commission and also, i would like to nominate vice president moran to become president.

that is, i guess, a motion for the nomination of the vice president and the president. emma is there a second? commissioner moran: -- >> is there a second? commissioner moran: do i have to accept, or can i just second? i appreciate the honor and the attitude and the support. >> and the opportunity to decline. i would with great pleasure accept the nomination. commissioner vietor: any public comment? >> i just wanted to take the opportunity at the end of president vietor's term as president to just reference both the items we talked about today, which crossed all the various enterprises and issues -- had a workshop, discussed matters, and i think it speaks well on the food issue, which is something that is very important

to you, to all of us, and the tenor in which this commission, the staff, and the public interact, really is -- and i have used the word before -- unique and different from other commissions. there are, i think, a lot of commissions in the city that are not dysfunctional, are not as concerned -- that are not as functional, are not as concerned with all the things in the purview, and this commission always has been, and the five of you in particular have during your tenure and will continue to and whether you are here and what your successors to will always store the responsibility of this agency, which i take very seriously and i know that you all do. and i'm sure that commissioners moran and torres will do a fine job leading in the future, as they have, and i just wanted to recognize commissioner vietor's

service as president. commissioner vietor: thank you. i appreciate that, and i have very much appreciated the opportunity to serve, and i am sort of mixed about it. i very much appreciate it, and your story really ready to hand over the gavel with my full life. a month ago, i just went back to full-time work, so it has been a lot for me, so i appreciate the help. >> thank you for all your help. >> thank you., i would like to thank you for remaining obviously very true your passions and your personal issues and values and at the same time, being a good steward of the commission and its attention to jobs 1 and being open to our comments and recommendations to the commission as well. thank you very much for your service. i welcome working with the two nominees. commissioner vietor: thank you so much. any other comments at this time? do we vote? i guess we vote.

all those in favor? o post -- opposed? congratulations. [applause] >> we do not have time to prepare for the inauguration? [laughter] >> as president moran's first duty, i believe he has a presentation to make to a past president vietor. commissioner moran: i just want to add my comments to those already expressed. a commission to return to is quite different in many ways to the commission that a lot. one of them -- one of the more common ways in which it has changed is it is a much greener organization. that is a tremendous achievement. there is nothing more difficult with large organizations then do fundamentally change culture, and that has happened over a fairly short period of time.

it is about 10 of 12 years, but that is pretty short for a big organization. lots of people were involved in that. staff and commission, and you have been a leader in that all along. when your at the department of the environment, the and my middle commission and here as chair, you have been one of the people responsible for that, and i think you could take a tremendous amount of satisfaction in that as we have a tremendous amount of gratitude for that. i am very pleased to relieve you of your gavel. on the other hand, i look forward to your continued leadership in these areas in driving this to be better than we otherwise might be. commissioner vietor: thank you. commissioner moran: i also have two gifts for you. one is the traditional double so you can, as you deal with the rest of your life, bring authority into that. [laughter] commissioner vietor: i did not

get rid of it after all. commissioner moran: this is actually a higher grade one. and then, on a more personal note, over the years, i have spent a lot of time hiking and taking pictures. one of the pictures i just love a lot is of the approach to the bridge over la punta falls in the height of run off season when everything is very wet, and it came out as a very nice picture. i thought i would present that to you as a personal token of thanks for your continued work here with us. commissioner vietor: oh, thank you so much. [applause] thank you. this is beautiful. commissioner moran: now, i suppose i have business to do. >> there is one remaining set of business. that would be closed session. if you could entertain public comment on any item listed in the closed session. commissioner moran: is there any

public comment? >> we had a speaker cards. commissioner moran: seeing none. >> the next item would be to assert the attorney/client privilege to move in a closed session. if you allow me to read the two items. 21, threat to public services or facilities, consultation with agency chief of security to conference with legal counsel in anticipated lethal -- litigation as defendant. if you could entertain a motion and to invoke the privilege. commissioner moran: do i hear a motion? >> so move. >> second. commissioner moran: discussion? public comment? all those in favor? opposed?

please stand for the pled of allegiance? >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

>> thank you. we will take the girl called commissioners. president mazzucco, present. commissioner chan, present. commissioner slaughter, president. -- present. we have the chief of the police department. >> welcome to the october 12, 2011 police commission meeting. tonight's agenda has a few atoms of the front. we have a busy agenda on the closed session portion involving matters of discipline. we will move through this agenda rather quickly. would you please call item no. 1, general public comment.

>> the public is welcome to address the commission regarding items that do not appear on tonight's agenda. speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or occ personnel. during public comment, neither police or personnel, nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public that may provide a brief response. individual commissioners and police and occ personnel should refrain from entering into any debates or discussion with public speakers. please limit your comments to three minutes. >> good evening. i am christine wagner, a resident taxpayer and law practitioner. i wish i was here to commend the san francisco police department. i am here to share with you abuses by officers in recent

months and days that have personally and affected -- adversely affected me. you need to know about it and things need to be done about it. as an officer of the court, i do not appreciate police witnessing -- witnessing police officers lying under oath, not once but twice in a court of law for 8 $220 traffic citation. this is egregious to me and it must be an embarrassment to the police department. i do not appreciate the taking of my busy time to appear on a citation that was issued to me without cause and under false pretense. to meet quotas of the san francisco police department, apparently. i do not appreciate the san francisco police department ignoring a court order for the

production of documents. no documents were provided, and the reasoning for now documents was provided. that is a contempt of court, quite problematic. i do not appreciate repairers by these public employees. on the street or in the courtroom or the courthouse as i experienced last week. i do not appreciate a police officer who is clearly on duty lying to me about it and refusing to identify herself by name or by badge number. i do not appreciate i am paying days bad apples for their salary and benefits. this is not a good use of police time and is an abuse. also i do not appreciate that report and made about stolen

property that i reported almost two months ago has not been responded to. and made repeated inquiries and that would be out of the mission district station. i have a letter to submit to the commission. i will be sending one to you, you are scc:'d on that. thank you. president mazzucco: thank you. next speaker. >> i have a couple of questions after last week's discussion on the jttf matter. i do understand that you currently are hoping to put it back on calendar for discussion at some undefined point. i am not clear on what that means. five weeks ago the commission committed to getting answers from the fbi reporting back on

certain issues that would either refuse to or confirm or update information the aclu has provided about the fbi's claims it will not abide by san francisco policies or allow officers to abide by them. we assume that would take place last week and was taken off calendar. we would like to know, will that happen? we have the time frame for wewhn that might happen? president mazzucco: we do not respond to questions. >> i will take that as non response. you have decided to leave the mou in place for now as is your prerogative. you have made statements to local policy saying that all policies will be abided by. you have an mou that is directly contradiction if -- of that. yousigned agreements make it

untenable to abide by that. you wanted the bocc -- occ to abide. officers are completely required if the occ is investigating to respond to requests for an jarret -- information. on the other hand, officers face consequences under the nondisclosure agreements on the federal side and there is no permission granted by the fbi that allows the process to go forward so we have a contradiction. i respectfully requesting since you are encouraging people to use the process, until you resolve this matter, advise the officers and the public what that means. as the fbi have been asked notwithstanding the mou, will

the geffen's trances that they comply with the chief's order and the law in san francisco that there will not be subject to federal consequences. if not, what fate should the public have in the process if they are not going to be assured the officers working with the fbi can the interviewed and giving them information. president mazzucco: thank you. >> 18 seconds. let me leave that with the question. if you're going to make these assurances and there is this contradiction that is not fair to the officers and public, i do not -- i hope you do not think it is not reasonable to ask how this will be handled given that direct contradiction. thank you. president mazzucco: thank you. neck speaker. >>-- next speaker. >> i was here march 16, 2011. if you believe in coincidences, my complaint is regarding my

case, an assault case against my parents dated march 10, 2010. i want to make a statement that i am not perfect and i have been arrested twice since that time, not because i did anything wrong, it is because my parents call the police on me. the cat -- complaint -- i am really tired of a cover-ups of the pricing. i was a person who was followed all around sunset. i ran up the stairs to the precinct two years ago. at 3:30 a.m. and there was no one in that precinct. it is a bold faced lie. chief 00 h-- the chief says he

has an open door policy. we have kept in contact. the only to people i've received any help from was george gascone. here is my complaint. two calls, never returned my call. redella tenet returned by call and said he would get back to me, he is on vacation now. rich dalton calls me today and said the statute has passed. how can they pass it when they never followed up? it was for did -- forwarded to the precinct. what you call cold case? i have evidence to show i did not make certain statements added to my statement that is found in computer records and i want something done about it

because i am still being harassed. in any event, when i left here last march, i am not going to tell you how it is done, i heard him said i will make much a man 102 a good thing. i stated i want it that removed off the curriculum. i want that put back on. i asked you please assign an investigator to check into the evidence i have against that pricing. president mazzucco: thank you. next speaker. ok. any further public comment? seeing none, comment is closed. >> #2. reports and announcements. a review of recent activities and a status update of behavioral science recommendations from the meeting of september 14, 2011.

>> the evening. -- good evening. i have six items that we reviewed and i propose we come back with some information for the regarding the officer involved shooting check-in proposal, that we would like to do three mandated sessions with our clinician. at this point, the final map draft has to be submitted for review and approval by the city attorney, in november. the second was -- >> do you want to take questions at the end? >> what is the draft? >> the final draft that we can include the specific language before it comes to the city attorney. >> i do not know what you mean by draft. is it a bureau order or

bulletin, what is it? >> it is a proposal. we had included, we had changed some of the language to include the three chickens. we had talked about to before. -- two before. the officers can get full support and more of an oversight. it is not clear about the form. what is it? i know the content. i do not know what it is. president mazzucco: the proposal as discussed was that there was going to be an immediate required debriefing and a debrief within 30 days. >> i understand the content. i am wondering what form is it taking? >> it could be dv, or to get the language app