>> you can see that it is amazing. you can hear that it is refreshing.

you reach for it because it is irresistible. and the taste. simply delicious. san francisco tap water. it engages the senses. 311 is an important resource for all san franciscans. should >> would you please stand for the pledge of allegiance? >> i pledge allegiance to the flight of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> thank you. we will now be taking a roll- call of commissioners. president mazzucco: present. vice president marshall: in

route. commissioner dejesus: present. commissioner chan: present. commissioner kingsley: present. commissioner slaughter: in route. commissioner turman: present. secretary falvey: you have a quorum. president mazzucco: welcome to the wednesday, october 19, san francisco police commission meeting. if you could please call line item #one. secretary falvey: approval of minutes for the apollo -- for the following meetings in -- august 17 and 31st of 2011, september 7, 14, 21st, 28 of 2011, and october 5, 2011. commissioner kingsley: no

corrections or changes. just a thank you. it is a long, tedious job to get all of these minutes out. president mazzucco: >> thank you very much. we have a motion? we have a motion. all those in favor tax motion approved unanimously. secretary falvey: the consent calendar for the third quarter of 2011. president mazzucco: in your packet is dispositions during this quarter. if there are any questions, we will receive and file them. any questions? hearing none, i want to thank the commissioners for their hard work. our data of disciplinary cases and the chief, you will see

several dispositions. our docket has decreased from 77 cases to the ballpark of 17 cases. i want to thank everybody for their hard work. any public comment regarding this? hearing none, do i have a motion? >> i move that we approve the disciplined chart. >> i second it and want to know that the press often covers us when our daughter is long. i have not heard any articles about how short it is. i am quite proud of that. president mazzucco: great work. i appreciate that. item number three, general public comment. secretary falvey: the public is welcome to address the commission regarding items that do not appear on this agenda but that are within the shot that matter jurisdiction of the commission. speakers address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or personnel. under police commission rules of

order, during public comment, either police or occ personnel, nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public and but, they provide a brief response. individual commissioners and police and occ personnel should refrain, however, from entering into any debate or discussion with speakers during public comment. please limit your comments to 3 minutes. president mazzucco: could we have the first member of the public come on up? good evening, clyde. >> and let me compliment to tenderloin police officers for their bravery at 4:00 in the morning. a man pulled a gun on an officer cadet officer had an opportunity to shoot but he did not. he made the decision to risk his

life, a jump on that man, the weapon ended up in the middle of ellis street and someone picked it up. he is alive and there were no casualties grid that is a good thing. i would like to bring up hazers. it is a tough subject. i read the sunday in article in the examiner. i keep getting misinformation about the chief's position on it. i know one of our commissioners likes the program. i read all that about the memphis program. i went through everything on the internet about the memphis program. it seems ok. but every tool you put in that box is a tool that we can use. the memphis program -- it may work. it seems like it has pretty good justification. but if you talk to our officers, they want those tasers. the ones i talked to, we have a lawsuit pending since 2008. i know the officer's name, but

i'm not going to say it. that lawsuit is going to cost the city $3 million. done deal. already heard about it rid the city has got to work on a deal. the option of a taser, he hopefully should have used it. how many of those kenya by with $3 million? the whole department. the whole department. a young man in a wheelchair, if we had a taser we may not be looking at a lawsuit. he is in front of a jury and if that jury finds him not guilty, the city is going to write a check. next subject -- last night, for two hours, i listened to raise relationship with the officers

and the african american community. people called in for two hours from san francisco to oakland to san jose. i sat there and we still have a disconnect. there has been a disconnect and that has been going on for 40 years. they feel they're being targeted. i'm not going to say that they are. we seem to work with protesters very well. but we have other issues. the disconnect between the black community and the police department needs more band-aids. thank you. president mazzucco: next speaker, please. good evening, sir. >> good evening. i came to address the police

harassment in the bay view. just yesterday, gregg harper and his brother were attacked by the police and arrested. i am not here to talk about that. from my knowledge and my investigation, what i found out is that the police were videotaping. it is not their job to antagonize people or to try to push people's buttons. he had been going to city college and he was getting involved -- keeping a low profile purposely. lately, in the bay view, i have seen police officers pull over grandmothers and their children, i have seen cars pulled over back to back to bat. i am here to stop the antagonism

that is going on. i am not here to take on the police. i know everybody has a job to do. the police, the doctors, and you triet i am here to address things i have seen going on. something simple and minor can wind up catastrophic. this is something that we have got to address. something we have got to transfer or something like videotaping. there has got to be trust on both sides grid that is what i am here to address. right now, he is probably going to miss school. he has been going to city college and he was getting ready to do well on his midterms. to my knowledge, from all his teachers, he has been doing well. that is all i have to say. president mazzucco: thank you. next speaker. >> good evening. i am with the san francisco movement. you have a right to remain

silent. yet the right to an attorney. you have a right to whatever else the miranda rights are. you have a right to the citizen's arrest. obama does not have the right to tell us to stop. to tell us to take down our tarps, to tell us we cannot eat, to sleep there, period. you have to change the constitution of the united states to do that. we are going to eat and sleep and we are not moving. obama does not have the right to come and tell us to move. we are not leaving. if you want to take it to court, we will take you to the supreme court for our robbery, kidnapping, etc. thank you. president mazzucco: thank you. the next speaker. good evening.

>> in good evening. my name is tracy. i do not wanted piggyback or my brother was saying before, but i work in the community and i work at the market and. i have been seeing a lot of, what i consider to be abuse. i have seen it -- because i am a very close comrade to greg carpenter, i have seen it since july, him being antagonize. having police officers come up to us and say things like -- it is insulting. it is an issue where it is a matter -- i think it is a matter of safety. just recently, he had officers at his home. there were videotaping. we have seen this. i have seen officers come up to us while we were in the bay view or south of market, they would come up to him and say, hello

mr. carpenter. this has to be addressed to. it seems like the more vocal people are, the more they're being attacked. that is what we see. we do have people that are in college they go to school and work and they are being attacked. we are just trying to have some kind of justice. where people can live in the city without feeling they are being attacked by the police. there is a reason people feel the way they do about the police. especially in san francisco. i have seen some things that are appalling. we are going to continue to come down and try to address this and continue to have people fill out complaint forms because the only way that people are going to be able to have something done is by having those forms. the more than we do that, the

more we are being attacked. we want to make sure that we are safe. and that we are not being attacked. and we can stay in our communities and work in our communities. and live in our communities without the attack. people liked him, who get arrested, stay in jail for three days and charges are not picked up by the district attorney, and now here we are again with the same thing harris' hero -- with the same thing. [applause] president mazzucco: good evening. >> my name is nick and i am with occupy sf. we were raided by police and we

are not going away no matter how many times you come and take our things and brutalize our brothers and sisters. we are not going away. all you're doing is helping us. we are not violent. violence is being brought on us to. there is no reason for you to be attacking us like you are. it is unacceptable. and unconstitutional. every time it happens, more and more people come and join us. we get stronger and we get bigger, more determined to not give up. i am not going to beg anybody to leave us alone. i'm just going to said, the more you try to stop us, the bigger and stronger we get. thank you. [applause] president mazzucco: hank you carry -- thank you.

can the speakers lined up? ordinarily, when we have large groups, we have to limit the time, otherwise we will be here all night. we are interested in what everyone has to say. if you would, we will restrict public comment to 2 minutes. the room was empty when we started public comment. go ahead, ma'am. you can start speaking. >> i am speaking in support -- i am here from floor magazine. we report on how the police brutality and harassment of poor people locally and globally. the situation that happened with carpenter and some other folks from the bay view is actually an agreed this act.

-- egregious act. i am curious as to how this commission cannot make the connections to the fact that this young man, his family, was involved in supporting young people who are consistently police harass him. his family has been targeted and it is obvious for us s community members so it must be obvious to you as commissioners. to not make those connections means that you are implicit in it. my request, as a community reporter and a person who has dealt with police harassment in my life, as a short person, and as a parent, is that in -- you are talking about protecting conscious young people, especially conscious young

people of color. so that they can continue to be leaders for other young people rather than have them consistently attacked and harassed and taken out of the community so that other young people lose all hope he or change -- lose all hope for change and leadership it is a challenge for all of those young people of color. i want you to advocate for young leaders like carper. -- like carpenter. [applause] president mazzucco: thank you very much. next speaker. >> is it on? i am amanda. i am another from occupy sf here

to respond to some things that we have seen that are not quite constitutional that happened as a result of police action against us. i am going to echo again -- we are not leaving. we are not disbanding. the more the media says we are going away, the more people show up. every time we have been rated, we double in numbers. we have a lot of support from the community. like the raid that happened on sunday night, we were not warned. we were not given any kind of real direction. no one made an effort to tell us what needed to happen even though i worked really hard for that group in establishing communication with the police of san francisco police department. it is really -- is discussed the. in the way that sf pd and a lot of the people in that

specialization have been treating occupy as though we are not wanted. as though we are some kind of horrible people. we are trying to be peaceful protesters giving an example of the change we want to see in people. president obama has used that ". you need to be the change you want to see and others. we are doing that. we are working our rear ends off he put it in plays. we are not leaving. we have not taken any notice of people not wanting us there. we are going to continue to grow, to get stronger, as this multinational movement gets stronger. that is all i have got to say. thank you for listening to me. [applause] >> i would like to inform you, if you do not know, that the people have an inherent and inalienable right to assemble in

public, in parks, on streets. the supreme court has upheld this grid the 1939 case. this is the people's right. it does not end at 10:00 p.m.. it continues. people are assembling in the park 24 hours a day. not everyone is always awake or always standing up perhaps current but there are people who are awake at all times of the day and all times of the night. they have the right not to be interfered with. it is illegal to interfere with the people's right to assemble. it is first amendment guarantee. and it is inherent, even beyond that. chief, i spoke with you yesterday in front of city hall. you said you were happy to assure us of our right to assemble. you felt we needed to stay in locations in front of 1 01 market street. as i pointed out to you at that time, a number of people that are coming to this process have been growing, day-by-day.

we have more people than can sit in front of a space that is in front of one the one market. it would be a serious generalization of public safety and health to jam so many people in such a small place. we demand or room detrick that is all i have to say -- we demand room. that is all i have to say. >> i am also with occupy sf. how can you people claim that the highest priority is our public health and safety, get the cops, after we have complied time and again, even the first night we got raided. wednesday night into thursday morning, the dead of night, they told us to take the tense down while a bunch of people were arguing whether or not we should, other people did precisely that.

we had people from dpw giving us pointers on how to better maintain the waste flow coming in and out of camp. we had people from the fire department assisting kitchens. he told us we needed to get fire extinguishers and we did that. they helped serve food and everything to. all this cooperation and compliance was going on, but they still decided to raid us. when we saw a newspaper article, neither sir nor the mayor could be clear as to who actually gave the final order for the cops to move in and raid our camp. this is not really cool. i do not see a whole lot of order and lot going on here. i see people trying to intimidate and force themselves up on people who do not want to live in this manner anymore and are doing their best to fight against it in a non-violent manner. that is all i have to say a writ -- all i have to say.

thank you. [applause] >> good evening. my name is james triet i am with occupy sf and was one of the people arrested on sunday night. i was arrested -- the charges against me were for delaying and officer and blocking traffic. i have lived here for 13 years triet i pay my taxes and have a job. i consider occupy sf to be my home. i do not expect to be treated like that in my home just as you would not be expected to be treated like that in your home. i come home and i ransacked by goon squads. i was shackled in handcuffs so tight that my hands doubled in size. all i was trying to do was walk by and get back to the camp.

i have never been in a situation like this. i was very scared and distraught. it is still messing with my head right now. i think you -- i think you need to take a good look at what you are doing to this city and how it is being run. how you are supposed to protect the public servants, people who pay your bills and taxes in the city. each and everyone of us in here, each and everyone of you up there, have something to gain by what we are trying to represent and trying to do. that is all i have to separate -- all i have to say. [applause] >> my name is shavon. -- shawn. i am a full-time student at san francisco state university and a

full-time member of occupy sf. i am not sure if the commission is aware of how the situation down on sunday, so i would like to give you a brief run through. it appears that it was going to rain. it was exceptionally dark when we set up tents and tarps over top of those structures, over our food, medical, and communications area. midway through the day, maybe a 11:00 or 1:00, we had officers come through and explain that we were not in compliance referring to one person's personal attention. the structure is what the vendors in the area of use that have been there for years without permits, a voter- protected squatters. the issue monday was a result of the sf pd tearing down and breaking our easy-ups.

when we went back to pick them up, they were rendered unusable. as the night went on, the sergeant came through at around 10:15. if we talked with him numerous times and had supervisor avalos on the phone at the same time. on numerous occasions, sergeant tom was unaware of who above him had issued the order for him to come down and even to us. he did not have a written statement of what we were being evicted and gave us three minutes to comply. when we ask for a written statement of why we were getting evicted, he said he did not need to present one. i do not believe that is legally acceptable. after he left, the next thing we saw was full riot gear armed police markings -- marching through our camp. i was on the front line. i was one of the first people being knocked over. i had a backpack on and my hands were full of grocery bags.

i was not 10 feet back and kicked by an officer. later in the evening, when we were trying to protect our gear and stop the police, i was kicked up by a group of officers and dragged until a senior officer told them to drop me. when i was dropped, i was kicked in the side of the face by the trailing officer in the procession and kick in the back of the head by the next officer in the procession. i do not know who you are protecting when you come down with your shot at all. there was no one there but us and none of us raise our arms. i understand that they think we spit on him and did these things, but if we did, the court after the fact. we might have lost control, but we did not initiate any violence. we were non-pilot and they responded with violence. that is not the san francisco i have lived in four years. thank you. [applause]

>> how're you doing? my name is robert johnson. i am not even an occupant of this city. i came here from 6.5 hours away in california and. the only reason i'm here today is because i have a lot to say to people like you. you are the only ones who will sit here and listen to me say it. i have two minutes and 40 seconds, so i will do my best not to take up too much of your time. i know i do not need to tell you people who are sitting up there what you have been doing is unacceptable. i do not even need to say that. i do not even need to tell you that what has been happening over on san francisco affects every single one of you. i do not need to say that either. what i am going to say is that the people who are over there on san francisco, sleeping on the ground in the cold are really tired of it. we