-- with $3.75 gasoline and maintenance of suburban spaces, there is a huge cost. people will come. the business community will still want space in towers, as they do today. there will be some people who need the broader workplace. it depends what the function is. i think you see towers built in cities throughout the u.s. and other parts of the world. it seems to me there is a demand for them. i do not think it is going to be any different here. i think this is also, to some degree, a throwback to the past. hopefully, we will reach a point, as we were in the first half of the 20th-century, when almost all business commercial activity took place in san francisco, and almost anyone employed here lived here, because we're were essentially an island. almost everyone rode public

transportation, because it made a lot of sense. if you did not have to leave the city, it was just as easy to hop on a trolley car. i think we are moving in the right direction with this analysis. and i think the analysis of the various factors, be they shadow, wind, and the other ones brought in here, traffic impact and historical, are quite well done. i am very happy with the report so far. i have other comments i will send in writing. vice president miguel: i find it very interesting. we moved recently from western soma to the central corridor. now we are moving further east to the transit center, adjoining areas, but very different. as to the eir, i think it

adequately covers such things as the tower separation. it obviously, as and eir should, considers the maximum build out. i do not truly expect that maximum buildup ever to be achieved. i think it is going to be a lot less. but then i am no economic guru. in any case, it is when to totally change the downtown skyline. i think the focus simulations give us a good idea of that. my concern is not the powers at their top and the separation. i am still, as a voice before, concerned with what happens down on the ground. they are commented upon in the document. the downtown streetscape plan of

1995, the trend space streetscape plan of 2006 -- transbay streetscape plan of 2006, and the plan of 2010. that is where i think everything is important. that is where the public is: to thrive. that is where the district is going to thrive. the manner of the bill to form at the sidewalk is much more important to me the new tower separation in order to achieve 50 feet in height. those things at the top are easy to work with. the personal impact on the ground level is extremely

difficult to deal with. because it comes in the public realm, we often do with the actual individual buildings, without having a good idea of how the mass of them, because many will be built, are going to affect the street level. open space, connections to the five baker park on top of the transit center itself are very important. requirements on street widening, the color you go, the wider the sidewalk should be, in general, to make it comfortable for these hopefully masses of people that

will inhabit the area. there is a plan for a second and howard open space, individual open spaces. that will complement the park on top of the transit center itself. they are extremely important. the privately owned public open spaces that will accompany the office towers to be built, in my estimation, the downtown plan did a very good job. we heard that recently when we were discussing the 1% art situation. it is possible in this area, as we are concentrating so many large buildings, that those spaces should be expanded. the should be required to be larger. they should be required to complement each other. the traffic implications are impossible to imagine.

this document, i think, does a decent job in trying to lay them out. you look at every single street in the area is impacted. i started to write down a feel as i was going through. you have a situation now where the market street design adviser leeboard -- advisory board is going to suggest some bus lines move off the market in order to stop mid-block boardings, and move onto mission, where possible. that will impact the area as well. we have gridlock in certain areas of south of market right now, without any of this being built.

we put into place, particularly, real lines and overhead wire lines that are very expensive to move. it is easy to move a bus from one block to another, but when we start with overhead lines and rail lines, it becomes very expensive. everyone is reluctant to start making those changes. in the transit assumptions we have for this area, they must be built on a flexible underlay. they are not going to stay the same way 20 or 25 years from now, and they should not. they should be flexible enough to be able to be changed with time. we were just talking, obviously, about the border plan, fourth

street, and the streets that surround it. the cross streets, and what happens on the central corridor, are going to affect this area. they have to work in conjunction with each other. that has to be flexible enough to work 10 years from now, when we have a little better idea of how much of this is planned for or studied here and will actually start to be built. i have a question of how much will actually be built. if we get 50% of it, in my estimation, we will be doing good. commissioner sugaya: let's see. in order to improve the public disclosure of aspect of the eir, i would like to have the comments and responses of some

graphics to the coal resources and japan -- to the resources section. in terms of historic resources, it would be nice to have some graphics showing existing historic district boundaries, existing historic resources, california register properties, city landmarks, eligible properties. it has already been identified, so something more graphic to illustrate that would help. just to comment, i think that although the downtown plan, as it was presented to us before, did not completely fulfill, you might say, what we were thinking of in terms of office development at that time.

there have been a number of office buildings built south of market just before the recession started. unless occupy wall street is extremely successful, i would think there would be a continual need for the type of office space characterized by high-rise towers. the kind of development we are seeing relative to high-tech will, i think, continue to be addressed in the corridor plan we just saw, and perhaps other areas of san francisco. commissioner moore: i am not sure whether i can answer questions, but since we have several large projects following each other rather closely, i think the simulations, looking from your balbuena -- yerba

buena east, would be appropriate if we look at the museum of modern art expansion. that will be too close to each other, looking at it together. in one image, that would be useful to me. this is in the spirit of cumulative, that particular project. these things interact with each other. we might as well know what we are looking at. i am not saying what my thoughts are, because i do not have it, but i would like to see it. again, the issue of prop m continues to puzzle me. i think it puts an unusual burden on this commission to continue to grapple with an issue i do not think we fully understand.

there are all the right reasons to look at proposition and, benefits we have to judge on, and i think we need an independent, clear discussion on what it is we are doing. that is a legal issue. that is a historic planning issue. president olague: is that prop m or prop ? -- k? commissioner moore: prop k. and i personally am troubled by it, because i do not have a clear idea of what i am doing. >> all right, commissioners. that will place us under public comment. members of the public address the commission on items within

the subject jurisdiction of the commission, except agenda items. i have no speaker cards. president olague: is there any general public comment? general public comment on an item not on today's calendar? >> i am sue hester. when you have printed out documents that are color saturated in the background, it is hard to read, it wastes money, and you cannot write notes on it. i was trying to write notes on the central corridor thing, and it is all black. the staff has to get disenchanted with color saturation in documents. it is wasteful and dysfunctional. maybe like it for graphic reasons, but i want to write on my documents. >> research shows you can more easily read white on black and black on white. >> you cannot write any notes on it.

it is expensive, if you have to pay for your own ink, rather than having the city pay for it. you know how much it costs, and i do. thank you. commissioner sugaya: i would like to adjourn in memory of someone, if that is all right. i would like to adjourn in memory of robert maocol, the main preservation architect for the city hall. he passed away in august of this year. actually, he had moved to new york to join another firm, but we did not know that he had purchased a nation -- a niche here. there was a memorial service for him last week, and his friends and family came out. i would like to honor him. president olague: thank you. with that, the meeting is

adjourned. [laughter]

captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> meeting called to order. >> roll-call. >> [takes roll] >> item #2, the approval of the minutes of the september 27, 2011 meeting. >> so moved. >> second. >> item #3. public comment on executive session. is there a motion? >> so moved. >> second. >> all in favor? >> aye. >> council >> we move that will not disclose anything discussed in closed session. >> so moved. >> all in favor? >> aye.

>> item #six. please be advised that the ringing of and use of cell phones, pagers and similar sound producing electronic devices are prohibited at this meeting. please be advised that the chair may order the removal from the meeting room of any person responsible for the ringing of or use of a cell phone, pager, or other similar sound producing electronic device. please be advised a member of the public has up to three minutes to make art and public comments on each agenda item. item number 7, the executive director's report. >> thank you so much with a great turnout today. i have a number of things, happy and sad, on the agenda today. first, i want to start out with terrific news about the port -- copra crane project. we have long had a goal of

saving and refurbishing the copra crane. it is located between the third street bridge and the 280 extension. for those of you that can see very well, it looks like this. the significance of the copra crane is that it was the last hand operated piece of equipment used for cargo. as you can imagine, it was built too long ago to remember. it has been in a somewhat tenuous physical condition. i am pleased to announce that the initial phase of rescuing and refurbishing the crane has begun with the help of the municipal transportation authority, who helped us by dismantling and storing the crane as a part of their project, which is adjacent to the claim. we really appreciate their generosity in doing so.

not only that, but they're good service in making sure that through their project the crane was not impacted in any way. as of right now, the crane has been safely stored away. the next phase will be to operate on the pier that was there and hopefully the rebuilding of the crane itself. the port minced team will be assisting with all of that. an entity of volunteer labor historians will be asking everyone of you to help. on your way out, i think there is a little basket. we would appreciate it if you contributed to this were the venture. anyway, copra crane is finally becoming the landmark it was long hoped to be. next, to discuss a pilot

program on smart trash cans in the fisherman's wharf. as you know, 2009, the city passed a law regarding the goals for the conversion of waste. we responded with our own zero waste program. we have come across something called the big valley contractors. a cute name. looks like this, for all of you that have not seen it. we are going to be looking with big belly compactors to do a pilot program in fisherman's wharf where we have the highest density traffic and wait time. what they do, first of all, instead of garbage cans there are two compactors. one is for composting. one is for trash and recycling. as you know, the city's trash collector does they're sorting

at the '96. they take them together and sort it on our behalf. what is great about this compactors is that they are solar operated. as they start to get filled, they have a sensor that will compact the waist and recyclables. they will notify the port means division when they need to be emptied. we are hoping that this results in a greater efficiency with respect to the port's ability to pick up the garbage. particularly in a fisherman's wharf so, at the end of the program, we will likely come back with a look at purchasing these big bellies, or other places in the waterfront. it should be an interesting venture, on our part. >> [whispering]

i have a question. >> very soon. [laughter] says the man from vacation who is only back for four hours. >> [inaudible] >> so, i cannot decide whether to be sad or happy about my next item our beloved kevin carroll, the executive director for the fisherman's wharf community benefit district, has been recruited away. happily, not too far. so, it took us about one month to stop grieving. now we are ready to celebrate his accomplishments at the port. kevin, it seems like you have been there forever. i do not know exactly how many years it has been. over 2 1/2 years he has

accomplished an amazing amount of work. there are those provisions, whether we knew it or not, that had been taken to the next level, building up from disaster response and prepared this, to attracting locals, fishermen, and reminding the city community and fabric that fishermans wharf is not just a key part of the tourism economy. it is a key part of the neighborhood structure. for kevin, there has never really been a a demarcation of where it ended. it blended for him. he has just been an amazing cheerleader and cali. a great friend. he has been the energizer bunny of ideas floating around. he has tremendously large shoes

to fill -- left a tremendously large shoes to fill. we really want to thank you on behalf of all of the staff for this great opportunity to work with you, learn from you. regardless of what you were doing, you made it fun. so, we thank you very much for that. best wishes to you in your journey ahead. >> on behalf of the commission, we fl everything being said. it -- echo everything being said. we have a small plaque for you here. thank you for all of your hard work and support in the community. [applause]

>> thank you very much. thank you, monique. i have enjoyed the last few years tremendously. before i came to work here, i did not know much about the port. with the merchants in daily working on the war, have become very proud of the community and benefit district. i look forward to continuing to work with counsel. thank you very much.

i am very flattered. [applause] >> thank you. are you done with your report? >> no. did you want to stand for kevin? >> [inaudible] >> i do not know. >> susan is begging to get to the microphone. >> is there any public comment on this particular item? >> thank you. i know that there are many in the audience that would like to come and thank heaven. if you could bear with us for a couple of testimonials, i guess. i wanted to personally thank him, on behalf of not only the port and staff, me personally, and stakeholders in this community. he has provided so much leadership and built up so much

consensus in the neighborhood. it is immeasurable, how much he has done in his short tenure. there are times when it feels he is everywhere. he goes to every single meeting and just supports everything. just to name a few of the things, i could go on all day. to name a few things he has done, he was an active participant and leader in the public realm of fisherman's wharf. he hired more security officers. he holds bimonthly san francisco police department meetings. he played a significant role in neighborhood outreach to solve the ongoing problems of the clubs that were closed down because of the continued violence in the neighborhoods. he introduced the ambassador program, which helps visitors who are lost at the fisherman's

wharf area. to repeat the increasing appears safe programs, -- to bp be increasing of pier save programs, he brought sunday streets into the war for. he was a huge supporter of the fourth of july, fleet week, the italian heritage for raid. -- power raid -- parade. thank you for your wrote -- your role model and friendship. good luck. [applause] >> hello, i am the president of the fisherman's wharf

[unintelligible] and the unfortunate recipient of kevin's power chair. [laughter] the heights that kevin has brought to our organization, the relationships that he has fostered, and the incredible amount of professionalism that i feel you have generated for our community and neighborhood, it is truly a measurable. we are sad to see you go. very sad. we wish you well. thank you, from the bottom of our hearts, for the hard work, commitment, dedication, and professionalism. thank you. [applause]