, we often do with the actual individual buildings, without having a good idea of how the mass of them, because many will be built, are going to affect the street level. open space, connections to the five baker park on top of the transit center itself are very important. requirements on street widening, the color you go, the wider the sidewalk should be, in general, to make it comfortable for these hopefully masses of people that will inhabit the area. there is a plan for a second and howard open space, individual open spaces. that will complement the park on top of the transit center itself.

they are extremely important. the privately owned public open spaces that will accompany the office towers to be built, in my estimation, the downtown plan did a very good job. we heard that recently when we were discussing the 1% art situation. it is possible in this area, as we are concentrating so many large buildings, that those spaces should be expanded. the should be required to be larger. they should be required to complement each other. the traffic implications are impossible to imagine. this document, i think, does a decent job in trying to lay them out. you look at every single street in the area is impacted. i started to write down a feel as i was going through.

you have a situation now where the market street design adviser leeboard -- advisory board is going to suggest some bus lines move off the market in order to stop mid-block boardings, and move onto mission, where possible. that will impact the area as well. we have gridlock in certain areas of south of market right now, without any of this being built. we put into place, particularly, real lines and overhead wire lines that are very expensive to move. it is easy to move a bus from

one block to another, but when we start with overhead lines and rail lines, it becomes very expensive. everyone is reluctant to start making those changes. in the transit assumptions we have for this area, they must be built on a flexible underlay. they are not going to stay the same way 20 or 25 years from now, and they should not. they should be flexible enough to be able to be changed with time. we were just talking, obviously, about the border plan, fourth street, and the streets that surround it. the cross streets, and what happens on the central corridor, are going to affect this area. they have to work in conjunction with each other.

that has to be flexible enough to work 10 years from now, when we have a little better idea of how much of this is planned for or studied here and will actually start to be built. i have a question of how much will actually be built. if we get 50% of it, in my estimation, we will be doing good. commissioner sugaya: let's see. in order to improve the public disclosure of aspect of the eir, i would like to have the comments and responses of some graphics to the coal resources and japan -- to the resources section. in terms of historic resources,

it would be nice to have some graphics showing existing historic district boundaries, existing historic resources, california register properties, city landmarks, eligible properties. it has already been identified, so something more graphic to illustrate that would help. just to comment, i think that although the downtown plan, as it was presented to us before, did not completely fulfill, you might say, what we were thinking of in terms of office development at that time. there have been a number of office buildings built south of market just before the recession started.

unless occupy wall street is extremely successful, i would think there would be a continual need for the type of office space characterized by high-rise towers. the kind of development we are seeing relative to high-tech will, i think, continue to be addressed in the corridor plan we just saw, and perhaps other areas of san francisco. commissioner moore: i am not sure whether i can answer questions, but since we have several large projects following each other rather closely, i think the simulations, looking from your balbuena -- yerba buena east, would be appropriate if we look at the museum of modern art expansion. that will be too close to each other, looking at it together.

in one image, that would be useful to me. this is in the spirit of cumulative, that particular project. these things interact with each other. we might as well know what we are looking at. i am not saying what my thoughts are, because i do not have it, but i would like to see it. again, the issue of prop m continues to puzzle me. i think it puts an unusual burden on this commission to continue to grapple with an issue i do not think we fully understand. there are all the right reasons to look at proposition and, benefits we have to judge on, and i think we need an independent, clear discussion on

what it is we are doing. that is a legal issue. that is a historic planning issue. president olague: is that prop m or prop ? -- k? commissioner moore: prop k. and i personally am troubled by it, because i do not have a clear idea of what i am doing. >> all right, commissioners. that will place us under public comment. members of the public address the commission on items within the subject jurisdiction of the commission, except agenda items. i have no speaker cards. president olague: is there any general public comment? general public comment on an item not on today's calendar? >> i am sue hester.

when you have printed out documents that are color saturated in the background, it is hard to read, it wastes money, and you cannot write notes on it. i was trying to write notes on the central corridor thing, and it is all black. the staff has to get disenchanted with color saturation in documents. it is wasteful and dysfunctional. maybe like it for graphic reasons, but i want to write on my documents. >> research shows you can more easily read white on black and black on white. >> you cannot write any notes on it. it is expensive, if you have to pay for your own ink, rather than having the city pay for it. you know how much it costs, and i do. thank you. commissioner sugaya: i would like to adjourn in memory of someone, if that is all right.

i would like to adjourn in memory of robert maocol, the main preservation architect for the city hall. he passed away in august of this year. actually, he had moved to new york to join another firm, but we did not know that he had purchased a nation -- a niche here. there was a memorial service for him last week, and his friends and family came out. i would like to honor him. president olague: thank you. with that, the meeting is adjourned.

>> i have been a cable car grip for 21 years. i am a third generation. my grand farther and my dad worked over in green division for 27. i guess you could say it's blood. >> come on in. have a seat. hold on. i like it because i am standing up. i am outside without a roof over my head and i see all kinds of people. >> you catch up to people you

know from the past. you know. went to school with. people that you work with at other jobs. military or something. kind of weird. it's a small word, you be. like i said, what do people do when they come to san francisco? they ride a cable car. >> california line starts in the financial district. people are coming down knobbhill. the cable car picks people up. takes them to work. >> there still is no other device to conquer these hills better than a cable car. nobody wanted to live up here because you had to climb up here. with the invention of the cable

car, these hills became accessible. he watched horses be dragged to death. cable cars were invent in san francisco to solve the problem with it's unique, vertically challenged terrain. we are still using cars a century old >> the old cable car is the most unique thing, it's still going. it was a good design by then and is still now. if we don't do something now. it's going to be worse later. >> the cable cars are built the same as they were in the late 1800's. we use a modern machinery. we haven't changed a thing.

it's just how we get there. >> it's a time consuming job. we go for the quality rather than the production. we take pride in our work and it shows in the end product. >> the california line is mostly locals. the commuters in the morning, i see a lot of the same people. we don't have as tourists. we are coming up to street to chinatown. since 1957, we are

the only city in the world that runs cable cars. these cars right here are part of national parks system. in the early 1960's, they became the first roles monument. the way city spread changed with the invention of the cable car. >> people know in san francisco, first thing they think about is, let's go

president mazzucco: if you could please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> one nation under god, with liberty and justice for all. president -- secretary: thank you, we will be calling the world. president mazzucco, vice

president marshall, commissioner chan. president, you have a quorum. we have the police department. >> thank you very much, lieutenant falvey. can you please call line item number one, the consent calendar? secretary falvey: item number one, the consent calendar to accept a donation of $1 million from mrs. karen firem. president mazzucco: this is a $1,000 donation. we have a memo from the sergeant

in the packet. any questions? commissioner: move to except. president mazzucco: anyone? next item. secretary falvey: the third quarter report. president mazzucco: any questions? commissioner chan: it looks like there is a lot left to be done, as always. i wanted to ask if he were to prioritize one or two of these issues or three of them, what would they be? how can we be supportive? >> yes, commissioner chan. someone is in the audience, and

she will give you a brief presentation about priorities that the occ things is important. >> kddi, present -- good evening, president mazzucco. the list is 20 outstanding recommendations as well as the general order revision. i would say most certainly a priority is to have a presentation to the commission of 5.05, which is the general order. we met with chief suhr last month to go over the list and to ask him to also prioritize, so we are in discussion about how to move this forward, so i would say that is one of the agency's

no. 1 priorities. in terms of the occ recommendations, our main priorities concerning language access, concerning juveniles as well as officer-involved shootings and mental-health, and some of those we have moved forward on, but many of them are still outstanding, and we look forward to working with the department to implement them as soon as possible. president mazzucco: thank you. anyone? >> good evening, commissioners. questions, if you have any? president mazzucco: any other questions? commissioner chan: with the follow-up, i know you probably summarized this, but where we are with this general order. >> 5.05 is with the command

staff, and they are in conversations with the city attorney's office. commissioner chan: is that the end could >> it is still in discussion. commissioner chan: what is the time line? >> i do not have one. i have spoken to ms. porter at the city attorney's office and my commanding officer, and neither of them can give me a date. commissioner chan: i understand, i understand. i am just asking. i sensed from reading that this was a high issue and just wanted to know where we were. president mazzucco: chief, do you have anything to add? >> i would like to move it forward. commissioner chan: ok.

president mazzucco: may i have a motion? please call item no. 2. secretary falvey: item number two, general public comment. the public is now welcome to address the commission on items that do not appear on tonight's agenda but are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. spiegel's -- speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole. individual police or occ personnel should refrain entering into any debates. public comment is limited to three minutes. president mazzucco: ladies and gentlemen, it is time for public comment. it looks like you are it tonight. >> good evening, commissioners and chief.

it is time to compliment you and tip my hat to you. there was an article released about terminating four officers, and some retired. whatever. we are not going to get into the details, but that shows a stronger oversight committee. strong. seven officers gone in a year or so. that is because we have people like you, the chief. it is a very small percentage, a very small percentage. we have people like you to keep an eye on us. thank you so much. president mazzucco: next speaker? seeing none, please call item no. 3. general public comment is closed. secretary falvey: i number three, reports and announcements, the chief's report. president mazzucco: how are you?

>> we have been busy. we had a delegation from china. i was at the market opening a burger place. hopefully, this will all contribute to the reinvigoration of mid market and reduction of crime there. a good time was had by all on sunday, and then across, we went to the pet prided day. both events were very well attended. we attended a pumpkin patch in the mission. scare grovwe, which led to the fact that we had another very quiet halloween. we had no street closures in the caster. i think it was all very well received on the television. people went, had a good time. there was a significant police

presence, but it facilitated the crown on the sidewalk. we received tremendous cooperation from the community, the bars and restaurants, and again, we hope to continue that going forward. we took place in the great shakeout for the earthquake and went to some grammar schools, and then with regard to public safety related matters, i attended the major conference and the international association of chiefs of police conference with other members of the department in chicago, where we picked up, of best practices, middle of a lot of folks. we appreciate the commissioners that will be able to attend. it was very well received. we went to the district council of merchants, the annual dinner, where they honored the police

officer of the year for his work in the mission district. we got to go to the abc regional conference that was held, and we really, really appreciate all the help they give us on halloween and especially this year where we did our first alcohol at the breakers, and we participated in the taxi, a limousine, and paratransit's conference, and we also talked about taxes on patrol, any program that perhaps we can present to you in the next commission meetings, where we're going to have all of those extra eyes and ears out there that drive cabs in the city that are willing to participate in the program, and lastly, last evening, a commander and i presented the civil grand jury on basically the state of the police department and to questions from about 20 members of the civil grand jury.

crime, violent crime remains down about 6%, 13% over this reporting period. property crime is down 27% this last reporting period. total part one crimes down over 20%, and flat for the year, so we are still doing well with regard to violent crime and overall part one crime. more specifically, occupy san francisco is now in the back and forth phase to try to gain some compliance versus trying to exert some situations. we have made some progress. we have a little bit of a moment last night where there was a certain amount of structural material, but we have gotten a

tremendous amount of help from supervisor jane kim to get the understanding that we cannot have a pile or a built structure on the property. again, we continue to try to work with the group to make it as safe and sanitary as the city requires to not impact anyone else's rights or the situation. that is going forward, and then lastly, we have a very, very severe member-involved collision. i reach -- appreciate people that reached out. the body charged with overseeing them is not only your just for policy and discipline but also cares about them as they do their job. at any rate, they were in response to a knife fight on 24th street on halloween night, and as they negotiated per toro, -- protero, it threw them into a

spin, and they got wrapped around a telephone pole. all three offers, miraculously if you saw this collision, will all survive, i believe. one was discharged from the hospital the next day with stitches and a concussion. another one was, we believe, discharged today with your drum damage and a more severe concussion, and then an officer -- today with eardrum damage, and in more severe concussion, and another had a fractured skull and some bleeding on the brain, but it appears they will all be ok. i was at the hospital yesterday with the mayor and others. all the officers are conscious and talking. so it is going to be a while before we ghe