i know you have been in front of the people who are sort of the bane of some of our existence is. i see people here that i see out in the parks, and i see people who are fellow dog trainers, there are a lot of people near i know that are really coming from a place of where their heart is in the right place, but also where they are very educated and passionate about dog training about making sure that the dogs are safe and having good behavior. we see things and drive us crazy, and to have thumbs for a light fixture is going to robert allenby profession, but i do have concerns. one of my concerns, and because of these concerns, let me say, i

do want to push the state further than april 1. there is more that needs to go into this. one is the consistency of implementation being done by animal control. i think scott said a good thing when he said that it is a woefully underfunded the department, and some of the people behind me may not like this, maybe all of them, but i find that to laundered $50 for a license, i am very skeptical that that is going to come anywhere near the cost of the administration of just the paperwork and then all of the other qualifications that go on and then the enforcement, and i think that you have to look at your business plan, at your revenue margins and at your own financial management and see where you can make some better

choices, when we are looking at some of these. 23 dogs, that is over $90,000 a year, so i think there is room for there to be a higher license fee. government entities, when they are looking for bids from vendors, they have a very long bidding process. i know this because i used to work at staffing, and whether it was at sf general or the va, these were open for a long time, but there are only three vendors. you are we going to use? what is going to be that standard for the education, and then looking at the three-year grandfather clause, listen, and love that car. i never been driving since i was 16. it does not make me an indy race car driver.

it does not make me a good dog walker, either. president o'brien: thank you. any more speakers? commissioners, this is it possible action item. anybody have any thought to share with us? commissioner dooley? commissioner dooley: yes, i want to make a few comments, things we might want to request before continuing on with this legislation. one would definitely be to push back the implication date. it seems that there is more work to be done. the walkers are going to need to be prepared for that, and i think that we should request the longer period of time until it

comes into effect. they paid apprentice program, perhaps one that would have lower fees than at the moment existing common stock trading group. certainly, i would urge you to find ways to rev alternative to just having a single choice. i think that the dog professionals should be able to work that out, figure out a way to make that work for them. lastly, along with the aid, i would request that perhaps there would be an amendment that would allow an additional one unpaid personal blog to be allowed as part of the pack. i am out all of the time with my dog, and the owner's dog is sort

of like the herding dog. i do see those dogs are the ones that provide stability for the pack, and so i would urge that one edition of allowing one more dog that is your personal dog as an unpaid dog. those are my comments. president o'brien: thank you. commissioner clyde? commissioner clyde: i do support limiting the pack to what is an agreed upon reasonable number. i do that for the safety of the people in the parks, not only animals but the people in the park, children in the park, but also when transporting the is, nobody talked about the safety of drivers, and the safety of other people, and i think it is just really important as we look at this that we think about the people who are not part of the

dog community and their safety, as well. i like very much that the three years of experience is grandfathered as a number. the ability to map a princess for a lesser rate or fee i think -- the ability to have apprentices, to work with other people and bring people up in all of our businesses, and this is one that is very dynamic, so the ability to add people to the industry i think is a very good one. the fact is the 8 don limit plus a personal dog, i would encourage that. i think that is good because people are not -- i do not know the specifics i think it is a

reasonable number. people and have four dogs, there are people that i would think you are using this as a supplement to their income, and are professionals, but they do other work, so maybe they would only have a few dogs. should they pay the same rate as someone who is working full- time? i do not know what the answer is. i do not like to see their flexibility relative to their income. we have people trying to go to school, working other jobs, who are at the beginning of their career or at the end of their career, so just some flexibility with the number of their dogs and their cost relative to income i think is a good thing, so i support that threshold of having maybe in a lesser number not be as expensive.

i think the fee is a fine. i do not think it is prohibited in any way, and adjusted forward to hearing more about the discussion, but i do encourage flexibility on these issues and really working with the dog walker community. it has been a very thoughtful process, so thank you very much. president o'neil: any other commissioners? commissioner o'connor: not everybody is going to be in agreement on everything. i do not think they will be vilified. the dog walking community is very appreciated, but this is part of the process of a community growing and becoming more legitimate, and a great example is the supervisor mirkarimi. when he went into office seven

years ago, he did something very similar with the medicinal marijuana community. it was not easy. it was a lot of work, but it was kind of the process of legalizing this world, and i see this as a similar thing. the businesses i am involved with, there is reporting, the state board, part of the game of being in san francisco and of being a business. i am just happy that we can sort of walk through this and bang it out and come to an agreement that hopefully the majority of people will be satisfied by. so thank you. president it o'neil: any other commissioners proved should be formalized kind of a recommendation that we will put forward? i think that the personal dog

that the dog walker owens -- owns would probably be a dog that they know inside out and that they can have without a leash and control that done very well because it is a personal god, so i am inclined to agree that that dog would not take from the number of dogs that would be approved by whatever the arguments would say. i have not heard anybody talk a great deal of concern about exceeding the number of eight dogs. obviously, there is a strong presence of the group here that are from the dog walking industry. of course, they would like to see the number greater because the impact the bottom line. i have not heard anybody, to say that it is really bad and nine dogs or 10 dogs. i understand this is a multifaceted question or wearing safety and wear and tear, etc.,

to me, it seems to eight dogs possibly with the trainer's job. the dog walkers dog would be sensible unless somebody came forward with a number that was not appropriate, so i think maybe just a recommendation, director, and maybe incorporate some of the others. i would definitely push back the date. yes, we recommend pushing back the date. >> pushing back the date and raising the limit to eight, with allowing the personal dog, exempting the personal dog. >> and making sure the implementation period is 90 days, not 30. 30 is way short. push it back. >> the implementation -- >> when it goes into effect, they have 90 days. >> i want to caution in terms of, because we talked about an

extended period of time, so there is the implementation of regulations that was in the legislation, and then there is the adoption time and if we allow six months or businesses to accommodate transitioning out of plastic bags. we might want to think about it these businesses are going to have to sort of adjust their business model because of the number and not being able to have their clients be able to call them up and at one at the last minute. they are going to need some time to address -- adjust to their business model and inform to their clients, and clients may have to find somebody else who is set up to work with their needs, and when we talk of the extended time, made the direction is to work with supervisor wiener to work out

what that is as opposed to a very specific set. president o'neil: i am inclined to agree that they do not need to wear a lanyard. they can have some sort of idea if they need to have it. i would like to see that put in there. do you think you can formulate something >> what i hear is to push back the implementation date, have a supervisor wiener, not setting a specific time but being reasonable. allow an unpaid dog. the dog walker's personal dog be in non paid, not included in the limit, and then to increase to eight, and then to work to establish it paid apprenticeship program, and the lanyards are

not mandated. do we want to give any direction about the licensing? president o'neal: if the one to provide leaflets as part of their business services, but i do not think that they should have any other application -- obligation. >> all right, and also adding that mandating that the only wlk -- walk licensed dogs is not a requirement. president o'neal: no, absolutely. >> do you want to read that back? clerk: pushing that the implementation date that will work with supervisor wiener.

dog walkers will have a high number of days from implementation to meet the requirements. no lanyard requirement or visible license, increasing the limit to up to eight dogs plus a personal dog. working on an established paid apprenticeship program and that there be no obligation to verify licensing. president o'neal: do you want to take a roll call? clerk: i would need a motion. supervisor dooley: i move the dog walking legislation with the following recommendations from us. clerk: a motion, and will there be a set and put a second from commissioner adams. would you like it roll call? [reading roll]

commissioners, that motion passes, 6-0. president o'neal: next item, please. clerk: commissioners, item number three, the presentation of the certificate of honor to inspector dave falzon, san francisco police department, as part of the small business conditions city employee recognition program. commissioner: inspector falzon

was recommended by the office of small business for his work in licensing. he is the inspector who is in charge of the abc licensing program here in san francisco, so i will read this, but i will say that i am very honored, because inspector falzon's work has helped numerous business people get started with very creative and innovative business plans, and things that we did not know could be done could actually be done quite well, quite legally, and successfully, i must say. i have been and several business owners in a been successful over the last two years, and thanks to his help. on this monday, november 14, 2011, the small business commission is proud to it knowledge the contributions of inspector dave falzon, which she made to the business community. he continuously provides

excellent service to small business owners trying to navigate the complex regulations in san francisco and the state of california. this time the responses and helpful guidance have allowed to numerous small businesses to open or expand in san francisco. the office of small business staffed nodes that inspector falzon applies things clearly, works diligently to resolve disputes, it neutrally works hard to have businesses meet their full potential. the commission also recognizes the inspectors leadership, allowing for uniformed and streamlined permitting of licenses, and for that, on behalf of the small business commission and community, i really thank you. [applause] >> president o'brien, director,

commissioners, thank you very much. this is a wonderful honor, but i want to say you are only as good as those to help you. i have a wonderful staff. more importantly is i have an extraordinary supplies step which is extremely helpful. it can be difficult to find the middle of the road. in san francisco, the middle of the road is very bollard. we all work hard at it and try to seek our balance, and i cannot get this done without the chief and my commander, and most importantly, the staff i work with, and with that, i say thank you very much. [applause]

president o'neal: thank you again. next item. clerk: item number four, presentation of the small business commission certificates of honor to f. loferano & son, inc., as part of a small business conditions small- business recognition program.

commissioner: i had the pleasure of meeting them in less than optimum circumstances after i had something smooshed. the family, the logo on the wall, talking about how devoted they were to customer service, and so i just really wanted to recommend such a wonderful business and give them this month small-business award. let me read you what we have here for you today. to f. lofrano & son, and on the state, the small business commission is proud to acknowledge the contributions that they have made to the vitality of san francisco. family owned and operated collision repair shop opened

since 1974. over the past 37 years, the company has grown from a father and son operation into a full family affair with seven family members in the business. in point over 80 employees across three repair facilities. the family attribute their success to maintaining their original concept, which i saw up on the wall. they believed when father frank and son tony opened their first shop, quality repairs, good customer service, and good relationships with insurance companies, vendors, and customers. the family is also dedicated to community, participating in ventures such as a recycle program, and they demonstrate how local small businesses can contribute to the social fabric of the city. in presenting this certificate of honor, the small business commission wishes the fo --

lofrano family success for many generations to come. [applause] >> i would like to thank you very much for this honor. coming from our industry as a body shop, we always feel that we are kind of put in the gutter a little bit. mechanics are called grease monkeys. we are not. so we get offended when that happens. so this i think is fantastic, to be honored in this way. from the city that we have had our business in since 1975. we just love it here. it is a great city. and all i can do is to say thank you, thank you very much, because this is a fantastic honor. thank you. thank you very much. [applause]

clerk: commissioners, next item, number five, general public comment, allowing members of the public to comment generally on matters within the commission's purview and suggest new agenda items for the commission's future consideration. commissioner: what was the public comment for the dog walking? that was three minutes? ok. >> to represent small business. graphics. sfgtv. how far you can go with a little bit of money. [laughter] ♪ small business, why not have a

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big time, and i want you to stand tall, in your small business will not fall, and you will make business though great now, and you can, business, stand tall in your business, small make it, and you will have in all ♪ thanks. president o'brien: thank you. next speaker. >> hello, my name is michael. i am a gay bar lager -- a gay blogger, and i am here about the problems of property. the harvey milk flag is on public property.

unfortunately, it is controlled by a bully. the bully is the head of the merchants of upper market. this bully recently it stopped us from having a meeting with amy brown. she is the interim city administrator. we were trying to set up a meeting to find a resolution to return the flagpole back to the public and the gay community. well, the bully, in cahoots with one supervisor, told amy brown, "cancel the meeting." this is the latest example of bullying that is dividing the gay community in the castro. also, it is, in effect, stopping a number of activists from staging actions that would bring people to the castro, and then

they would patronize the small businesses, but the bully who heads them does not get that at all, so i would like to hold up the rules and regulations regarding making a request. you see, i am not holding anything. they do not publish any rules or a transparent process. there is no transparent process that they engage in when you want to make a request for guarding the flagpole. that is not acceptable. we are trying to find a resolution to go around this bullying. for gay people around the rock.