do know that the appellants property as compared to the other properties have three sides of their building providing light and a view. and it is significantly greater than those bounded by zero property lines. i am supportive of the idea that going to the property line on the south side makes the entire situation of the -- not only the larger building on the corner, but also creates a less than desirable situation for both neighbors. i would be supportive of the proposal that was made aware they may set back the top floor 3 feet.

i know that side has a closet. therefore, the site being set back -- it is similar to what the permit holder had offered in their compromise. and i think it is a better solution for both parties. >> if the parties are comfortable compromising to that extent, i would be obviously happy that this would not be a decision that we need to make, but i am also inclined to uphold the permit as it is. >> if you don't mind, i will speak next. it does seem that the appellants, there might have

been some confusion and misunderstanding and that they missed an opportunity to work on some kind of compromise or some kind of setback. we need these second means of egress in these old buildings. they are challenging. it because there is one mayor, it is blocking that window. and to allow this edition to enclose it completely into a little cave doesn't seem like it would comply with residential design guidelines. for that reason, i would support the setting back. >> one commissioner wants to uphold the permit and somebody wants a setback from the current plans, and the third commissioner wants an alternative.

is that a proper summary? >> the same set back. there are two further setbacks. commissioner garcia: i would support that idea. commissioner fung: which idea? commissioner garcia: the idea of the setback that has been referred to by you and by president goh. >> is there a motion? commissioner garcia: yes, mr. sanchez? >> of the board does request a side setback, how with the excess -- extent of the setback be? one might be just where the rear building wall of the permit holders property is, going back to the rear from there.

commissioner garcia: that would be my assumption. madame director, can we craft something tonight or do we need to have a continuance to have documents to commission the permit. i don't want to create a problem for the permit process, through either revision or something else. >> if we can be specific about the location and dimensions of the setback, we can roll tonight, otherwise we can ask that the permit holder prepare drawings to document what you have in mind. commissioner garcia: i would be more comfortable to have the parties sit down one more time and decide with coercion from this board, i am not going to

support a reduction of the addition of a way down to the ground floor. and i am only talking about realigning the setback on the very top floor. >> are you making a motion for a continuance? commissioner fung: that ais probably better for both parties. commissioner garcia: i am not reprimanding anyone, but one speaker talked about the commonality in the the town had endured and there seemed to be a minimum of conflict. the architect, i am not reprimanding you, it seems that you said that we deserve what we have because they were so out of conformance with what should be. i hope that when you go into negotiations with your neighbor, that that town be something other than what was demonstrated

appear. >> i would recommend we look at january of 11 as a possible date for a continuance. commissioner fung: is that a problem with either party? ok. mr. kwan, is that an issue? what i hope is that you will arrive at a common resolution and there for what ever drawing you come up with, we will condition the permit with that and it will proceed onward and the normal course ha. -- in the normal course. is january 11 ok? i will move to continue this case to january 11.

>> the motion is to continue to january of 11 with the board encouraging the parties to try to meet to come up with a resolution and provide the board with plans reflecting that resolution. >> on that motion to continue. president goh: aye. commissioner garcia: aye. commissioner hwang: aye. >> the vote is 4-0. the matter is continue to january of 11. >> there is no further business this evening. president goh: we are adjourned.

hello and welcome to the special rules committee for december 8, 2011. i am joined by supervisor elsbernd and sebree is our faro. the court today is land that -- linda wong. we would like to acknowledge john ross. >> the items that are recommended to go to the full

board unless otherwise indicated. >> can you call item 1? >> appointing malia cohen. supervisor kim: is there any discussion? i would like to open for public comment. is there any public comment on item number one? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> i want to help -- thank you for making this happen to make sure that malia can be on the board. supervisor campos: thank you. -- supervisor kim: we can do that without opposition. is there anything else on the agenda for the 125 pm meeting? no. this meeting is now adjourned. we will began our special committee for the 1:30 p.m.

meeting. can you please call item no. 1? >> appointing to the term -- a point to the treasury oversight committee. supervisor kim: we have a representative from the treasure is office. could you please approach? >> this motion is to point peter goldstein to the city college seat on the treasury oversight committee. this is the seat that is reserved for the chancellor of the community college or his designee as per administrative code 10 baht 80-3. mr. goldstein is the vice chancellor for city college and he apologizes he could not be here today because he is in labor negotiations. supervisor kim: thank you. are there any questions or comments? we will open up for public

comment. seeing none, public comment is closed. we have a motion to move forward and a second. we can do that without opposition. thank you. would you please call item no. 2? >> hearing to consider appointing one member term ending november 19, 2012 to the bicycle advisory committee. there is one see. >> -- seat. if you could please come forward. we ask applicants to speak briefly about their interest in serving and maybe some things you would like to accomplish on the advisory committee. >> i am an avid cyclist. i am also a new member of the california bar. i spent a lot of time studying law and policy. i find when i am on my bike

there are issues with safety, with traffic laws are obeyed by motorists and cyclists for it i would love the chance to be able to work somehow toward whether that is increasing by planes or any other safety measures -- bike lanes or any other safety measures. i would like to encourage people to ride bicycles rather than drive. it is better for the health of the city and people tend to be healthier when they are cycling more. supervisor kim: thank you. any questions? thank you so much. >> thank you. supervisor kim: i will open up to public comment. seeing none, public, and is now closed. [gavel] we have a motion to move this forward as a committee report so this can be voted on next tuesday at the full board.

this is an appointment made by the district supervisor ross mirkarimi. i believe we can do that without opposition. all right. [gavel] thank you. could you please call item 3? >> hearing to consider appointing four members terms ending october 19, 2013 to the eastern neighborhoods citizen advisory committee. there are four seats and 4 applicants. supervisor kim: thank you. we have to of the applicants here today. i will be calling both of you. we have first fernando marti for seat five and similar to the previous applicant, i am asking you to spend a few minutes to talk about your background and your interest in serving. if you would like -- something to like to accomplish. i know that you are applying -- reapply for the sea. >> thank you for nominating me. i have been on that dniester -- eastern neighborhood cac.

it is interesting to see how we accomplish creating infrastructure. we have been very excited to start the process moving forward for our new park in the northeast mission area. at 17th and folsom. as well as having discussions about a variety of other funding opportunities. my background as i am an architect and planner. i work for small non profit in the south of market neighborhood. if you have questions i would have been -- be happy to entertain them. i look forward to working with my colleagues for another couple of years. supervisor kim: as this continucommittee continues, do e any feedback? any feedback on continuing to keep this committee relevant, anything that we can do to support eastern cac. >> we go between the small issues of how do i deal with

funding issues, but then there is pretty large and complex issues. the biggest one we have been dealing with is how to interface between physical development and transportation development. we have interfaced with the eastern neighborhoods troops process. there is a lot of work to be done. and to work together to create a robust transit system for the area. supervisor kim: thank you. i will call chris block but he is not here. next, wendy phillips. >> that afternoon. i am wendy phillips, i work for community-based nonprofit in the mission district. we are involved in providing services including affordable housing. we have also been involved in

land use issues in the neighborhood. as an organization for five years and i personally have worked on it before that with other organizations and efforts. the sea that is vacated was held by our executive director who passed away earlier this year. we definitely as an organization are committing -- committed to engaging in these issues especially around the relationships between housing and how we can over see the planning efforts we worked on for so many years. thank you. supervisor kim: thank you for your willingness to serve. are there any questions? our next nominee is oscar grande, he is not here. i will be opening up for public comments. seeing none, public comment is now closed. [gavel] we have four nominees appointed by the supervisor of the

district. is there a motion to move forward? we have a motion to move forward and we can do that without opposition. thank you. we also have a motion to move this forward. we can also do that without opposition. thank you. [gavel] can you please call item 4? >> ordinance amending the administrative code to expand upon the minimum notice requirements prior to approval of a city project that are mandated by the citizens right to know act of 1998. >> supervisor farrell. supervisor farrell: i request we continue this item at the request of the city attorney's office. we can work to put this on the agenda hopefully in january timeframe. supervisor kim: we have a motion to continue at the call to chair. we can do that without opposition. before we do that, i will be opening up for public comment.

i am seeing no public comment. public comment is now closed traded -- clothes. we can do this without opposition. thank you. so at this time we will be taking a motion to convene a closed session. before we do that, is there any member of the public who wish to speak on items 5-9? seeing none, public comment is closed. colleagues, may we entertain a motion to continue in closed session. we can do that without opposition. to the members of the public, we will be entering into c c

supervisor kim: thank you. we are reconvening into open session. our city attorney. we met in closed session to discuss litigation involving the city. i understand the committee will move items five, six, seven, and eight forward to the board as a committee report. we can do that without opposition. number nine did not end up getting introduced. i suppose technically it is not before you, so there is not -- i thought maybe continuing at but there is not an action for you to take because it is not before you. we will be moving items 5 through 8 as a committee report to the full board. thank you. are there any other announcements? >> you need a motion during -- regarding disclosure.

supervisor kim: we can do that without opposition. are there any other announcements? >> no. supervisor kim: seeing none, meeting is now adjourned.

>> i think it ae's public and private property. i'm against graffiti. >> who can get it out the most who n be noticed the most. >> i i've seen seniors doing graffiti. >> the city is art, other people who have their names tag -- >> [inaudible] our unit there are 2 sections we are doing one is abating and others are notice of violation to private property. all the utility boxes in public right-of-way we abate.

>> we abate calls that come within 48 hours. >> we are a small group in g f graffiti. we don't have enough help. >> i have a group in town down and china town and the north tunnel. [inaudible] the graffiti we abate everything is coming up to the areas now. >> i'm willing to take it on. i think -- >> you are telling me you are ready for this? >> i think so. >> okay. >> there you go. >> all right. >> all right. >> ready to do it. let's go. >> want to get the gray signses this over here and the garbage can and normally we don't do private property since it's on

the corridor route you can come with me we will use black. >> we had a lot of changes in the graffiti unit. we do private property if someone moved we remove it and send it to the attorney's office and they take appropriate action. >> damage their property there. it's important to write the color in case they want to say what part of our house you abated the graffiti on. >> using your safety glasses the gloves. >> you got it. >> you know some places we gashi, people appreciate that. you know, a lot of timeses they say, thank you.

>> the time where it's visible. a lot of people put it on the ground. >> i like when tourists come and say, you do this for your city and you get paid for that? >> we use the [inaudible] for the holes and the retaining walls. [inaudible]. white on the fire hydrants. fire box red for the fire boxes. our brown for the pg and e poles. >> we are not painters we do

our best. >> i'm assuming it has to do with gang activity. >> if it's territorial i mind. >> in case it's gang related and they are marking our territory i would like to paint it over. >> anything with numbers like x iv or x 13 west side mob and the bay view those are gang related. with gang related or profanity we will abait it as soon as possible. >> i consider it an art. there are circles of people that form around it whether or not they should ruin public property. >> this is art work i'm for it. unless it's on someone's property and they don't want it there.

judge kids with silver paint expressing their ego needs doesn't belong on our property. >> graffiti is when you don't have permission to write anything on their property. >> eighth street is part of your regular rout? >> yes. >> everyday. >> eighth street. divisidero street. irving street. every block they going through they paint 3 or 4 streets in the block the poles the utility boxes, mailbox. >> thank you. >> okay. >> put the drop cloth. come on around. >> there you go. force for we have to remember we

are not painters we abate graffiti. we are abaters not painters. get that out of the way and keep moving. >> how many of these do you do a day? how many poles we do a day? >> yeah. >> depends on the location. may be 20. >> do you like working with the team? >> yes because i'm a people person. i like being outside and interacting with the public and i like the response we get especially from the good job we do in the community. >> goodbye.