doing anything that can have that kind of impact on people. i do not think about his role of the government. i would like to see if we can put a motion out there to see if we can employ the board of supervisors when they are hearing this in january to consider expanding this for 12 months and to take on board a sincere effort to review the whole thing, because we are in a different time and place than we were when it was implemented, and it is not going to change anytime soon. the statement about the differences between downtown is a glaring omission on my part of it seems to be overlooked.

there may be possibilities for using the different definitions. commissioner items? >> i would like to make a motion to extend it for one year and to recommend to extended for a year for the fact we are in a recession, and when you go to the eastern neighborhoods, it is changing. times change, and i followed the

eastern neighborhoods in 2004. we were in different times, and a lot has changed in my opinion. we are in this recession, and we are not out of it yet a. i do think this needs to be revisited, and i would suggest but we recommend they extend this for a least a year. >> do we need to address the motion? >> what i would like to do is add to the motion, which is we extended for one year and recommend a detailed survey and analysis of the impacted area,

because i cannot see charging one year plus income at this point at this as productive property, and i know how hard people are working to make their property and productive. it is very difficult. it is a competitive area. we are competing, and these property owners being centrally located and is an advantage, but it is difficult to compete and fulfil these properties and to employ our people to record -- our people. it tracks are rca fat. i kept thinking about our bowling alley -- i appreciate

that. i kept thinking about our bowling alley. here are some small businesses getting hammered by these ramifications. good >> we have to thank the supervisor for going to the massivtt. we can only ask him to extend this to a broader sector a. >> it should be a big discussion about a impact fees. i had a client once who wanted to develop an empty lot in mission bay, and i had not told them about having to factor in fees, which can kill the deal. when you have to work in cooperation with a lender, to see that much money required doing nothing for the benefit of the business, so i think this

discussion should go into the nature of the impact fee itself. we have a motion. >> my question is we have some motion. commissioner clyde has added two during the survey. -- added to during the survey. i wanted to see what is the vacancy rate, the number of pdr that has opened, or are you ok with south outlining some of that criteria of? >> i am ok with staffs. i love vacancy type businesses. how many are actually affected?

>> are they supporting it? are these uses supporting the pd r? >> i would like to know what the demand for space is at this point. >> that is a great question. it is important to not try to create something that is not wanted. >> if we do not direct them, we might not get that information, and we want to make sure we get the information we think is critical for analysis. >> a reason for the fee, and how is that in relation to the income? >> how does that come about?

>> it would begin to know the types of businesses who have submitted, who they are, how many square feet. they could been the smaller buildings triggered -- the smaller buildings. it would be illustrative to know who has done it and how they are able to afford it. >> we have the motion. do we need to read out the motion? >> we do not necessarily need to read of the criteria do we need a second, or do you want to read it out? >> we asked the board of supervisors to continue next -- to consider extending the

program to complete a study before taking further action. it is a legitimization program, so it would be expanding the program for 12 months. good i have a motion by commissioner adams. >> do we want to vote any recommended guidelines for the review so the review does not, up three months before the deadline? >> within three months to? do you think that is too soon? >> to soon. >> we should have the report back within six months. it will come back to this commission. do we have a second? >> i will second.

>> why don't we take roll calls? [calling votes] the passes 5-0. >> i want to bring something up because it was brought to my attention and is on this topic. one business i know very well is a large shawerma and -- a large warehouse with over 100 employees, trucks going in and out, and i want you to know affordable housing is the greatest pressure on their business right now, and affordable housing, the pressure to move things, and

affordable housing has a negative impact on production distribution and repair, so it is going to be important to have a frank discussion on affordable housing. where it belongs is going to be part of the discussion, and i want to bring out that it is noted that pressure. >> thank you. >> one last question. as the commission have any interesting to hear from the planning department prior to the report? >> absolutely. that matter is closed. next item please your your --

next item please. >> environment code sent around by each charge. did you want to provide details on the amendment? >> i will let you go through the amendments. the plastic bag legislation did go before the board of supervisors. there were some recommendations made, so chris is going to review that with you. i wanted to make sure we have the opportunity to hear what those changes are.

i believe they are under the guideline in terms of one of regulations doing an analysis. one issue we did get an opportunity to discuss, so i would like to provide some direction to the department, because i have attended some meetings, and businesses have asked what is the city doing about educating the customer, and they say, we will do this but we do not want to be in the possessive educating the customer. i think we need to provide some direction and expectation and have them back next month. good >> the one impact i did not realize is the impact on taxes,

because they have to account that novicas income. one plus one equals two, and i like to know what the impact is going to be. >> we will look at -- >> that seems to be the number one concern i am hearing. >> we will take a look at that. in some ways it should be paying for expenditures, because i do not think they do a surcharge. >> they are not, but i want a clarification. good >> is the fee they are

collecting is more than what the bag costs, they would have to account as additional revenue? ok. >> or is it a sale? you are selling of bad, region -- selling a bag, so it is sales tax. you will have to pay back. >> they do not want to have to educate the customer. once the customer agitated by the people at the counter. -- they want the people educated at the counter. >> they do not know. i want to give the commission the opportunity. it came up quickly. i do not think they had an opportunity to think it through, so it has been brought up to me

by businesses saying we do not want to be in a position to educate the customer. that is going to take a lot of time. the expectation isn't the city is going to educate the consumer. >> would that just the assignments from the city? perhaps those are some directives. i think this is what i am looking for, for us to add some directives to the department about expectations of the commission highs -- expectations of a commission house. >> i am very cognizant of one of the main points is outreach to

affected communities, and there was a lot of concern there was not enough now to reach, so that dovetails with your comments. goobacks we have to figure out t that would entail. >> they have expectations that they are providing information at the register. i think we outlined the expectation of what we want the department to deliver, so you walk through the changes of the amendments made. >> the following amendments have been made. there is a number of technical changes are will not review, but

i will review the substance of the changes. there was some changes to bags with packaging of both items. -- bulk items. there is an exemption, whether it is damaged or contamination of other goods placed in the same bag. a key change was the effective date was moved back three months to october of 2012, and the date for food establishment was set back another three months. one of your recommendations was up there would bay some sort of an analysis completed -- there would be some sort of analysis

completed. they have a review on the businesses to large and small of 10 cents to check out the bags, and they are going to do additional criteria, including whether to see f. they have specifically and now we did see if they have specifically impacted businesses. there was an ordinance there could be free giveaways of reusable bags promotional way for seven days, and that has been extended for 12 days. they clarified the waiver provision for house stores can obtain a waiver, and the largest change is that they decided to remove the increase of 25 cents.

it was continued to february 7, and part of the direction to come out with now outreach plans, so we scheduled tentatively to present on january 7 and january 9. they thought it would be premature to attend today's meeting. we are looking forward to your feedback. >> outreach being the number one issue, because they have incorporated everything else, but out reaches the one thing missing. for the chinese community and the latino community, i am not

sure what the best network to work with them on education and why it is important to begin this, but i know those communities are very dependent. a small grocers and produce people are very dependent on plastic bags. that might not be the best organizations for those communities, but it has to be those grocers, and outreach and education. >> you do not necessarily need to provide that information but to say these are important entities. good the department of

environment has several programs they do, and i think they get a fair amount of intern's. goothan a directive on consumer education. >> it is going to be a lot of conversations. i had a conversation with my local grocery this morning. she looked at me and said it is going to be difficult, but it is better for the environment. >> i like the changes. i am not 100 percent happy with this, but i am glad they exclude hardware stores and pharmacies bags and those kinds of items. >> you called back right.

-- you called it right. commissioner riley: i am reading these definitions about recyclable paper virus -- paper bags and being able to wash its 100 times. good we do not expect the owner to be aware of this. >> in addition, one of the invites, for them to also bring the information to you so we understand what the availability is as well so you are educated on that and how they will inform and educate on those products

and where they can be purchased. >> i think the material should be available by request to merchant organizations so they can have their meetings and say, this guy is ok and this one is not. i think people need to see those visuals, because it is too hard to see. i think people need to get a ball park guideline visually, and i would like to see what kind of signs they are planning to put out and in how many languages for us to ceassee howy it is tuesday that would be posted in stores and -- how easy it is to see that would be

posted in stores. the merchants can decide whether they want to pose that or not. i think it should be available. >> i think out reached needs to be done to the elderly. and when we educates children and young people, they tend to bring these programs home. we have elderly who are using plastic bags to line their garbage back at home, so there might be some particular resistance to because of the way they are using them that we are not aware, but i think we need to definitely educates the elderly. >> do we want to see ongoing

education in our buses? >> absolutely. . >> is there any consideration of a short race. -- short grace period where they would be informed this is going to happen? i have to see this day covering were all of a sudden these people are going to be prepared, even with education. gooall of a sudden there are gog to be all of these people who do not have a bag. >> i think the department of environment said the approach has been education, so they are going to educate and help them transition as opposed to penalize them.

>> that kind of is the same thing. >> to that question should be asked for verification. are there any other particular industries in terms of working with the hotels to educate tourists? i want you to think about being the business behind the register and where that information can get to the consumer before coming to the store. >> they would need to have that information, and a can disseminate that to their guests. >> in their room and in the hotel. >> not too many hotels to

provide shopping bags in the room. >> they do now. >> do we need to do anything as far as of votes? >> i have one final suggestion. i think it is really important to remember why we are doing it. i do not think a lot of people see the landfills or the plastic bags or the birds that are strangled. we do not see it, so there should be some awareness that it really is better so we can have some materials that illustrate why we are doing it, the health of wildlife.

it will save the city money. it will clean up. i think we should see that we have a direct financial benefit, taking that extra moment and making that extra moment and worthwhile. >> i do not extra action is necessary. -- i do not think extra action is necessary curator -- is necessary. the rest of your comments we can include in a letter to reag. we can send a more formal letter as a work on their plans over the next 30 days.

>> the only other question is if you do want to take action on the amendments made. >> do you want to recommend a motion to approve? >> that is up to you as to whether you want to give it a second direction. >> if we want to incorporate any input next month. >> ok. >> any public comments? seeing none, public comment is closed. next item. >> item 8, discussion of possible action to disband the committee and to meet with members of the commission and other designated persons to discuss formula retell related matters. discussion and possible action item. >>