miles done or will we get 12 done? they will do with or without us. >> if you were to improve the budget with the goal, and if we can have the cost paid for by the bond, we save that money and we can actually stretch the amount of miles. that is our ultimate goal. >> we have plenty that we can choose from. >> we have already kind of moved some things around. >> with respect -- which employees would be doing the paving? would this be employees of the puc order at -- or would this be

contract it out? >> this is a combination of the public works employees which would be the early people involved in it. there would be contracts out for the remainder. >> let's take a one block, for example. it is safe to assume that we would issue the contract and go through that process and then the later on top would be a separate contract. conceivably, we would save the money that we have to come up with to pave over those picks. >> in some cases, one contract for all of it. we have a working on that kind of thing where we issue one contract and they do the underlying work and the repaving. >> this has been a policy for

quite some time. if we have to take up the street, everyone should be working down in the trenches at the same time so there is not the cost of repeating. >> at the same time you want to accelerate your programs. >> the policy of working together, that is out there. the discussion about how do we catch up. we have had the discussion for many years. we have 900 miles of sewer mains. they have a hundred your life. that is crazy. we had this discussion for water

for years. we have started to make movements and getting smarter about replacements. also to be able to pick it up. really, how much are you willing to do to to get from 6 miles to 15? that is a big increase in street disruption and also a big increase. the idea of debt verses cash, typically if you are building a building. those that will for it over th. it makes perfect sense to issue the debt. people who benefit over 30 years get the results. every year, they will spend the money. the assumption is that it will be an expense every single year. because we're in the situation we're in, we are already debt

financing. will this be our new financing? will we want to get back into cash funding? those are part of the discussions we are looking at now. >> in terms of writing at the conclusion -- are writing -- in terms of arriving at the conclusion, the cost to us per mile is that much less over the course of the three years? >> the assumption in the city's plan is that this three-year bonding for the streets is also a bridge that during those three years we will identify a funding source that will allow us to continue with that level of street repair for a longer time. those too not answer all of the questions about the street needs

and the city but there has been no identified funding source. we're on the road to identify what that would be to keep that pace going. >> part of the challenge, as i recall, is that you have an age of sioux were out there and part of the problem is that be -- is that if we had installed these at a regular rate and replace them at a number of year it would make sense. -- part of the challenge, as i recall, is that you have the age of sewer out there. it really does put you into a thing that if you always put in the same amount, you would have been replacing fairly young pipe for a while.

as far as shaping our response to that, it looks as though we are doing a round up and we are hoping that there will be a ramp down. have looked at different approaches and seen what the cost impact is? for example, if you started out now with everything -- you know, it just went to 20 miles a year -- you know, that would be very expensive right now. what would that do to the total cost for life cycle cost? >> we have not run those sort of scenarios, but we can. i think what you're talking about is this big infusion over five years, a really high rate of replacement. we can look at that. we can look at rate impacts,

but a few years down the road, it creates the same problems you have again. >> the impact is what other factors are there? if suddenly they sunset was torn up for five years, that would not be the right answer, either, but i would like to know what the constraining factors are and whether this kind of response is the most effective and cost- effective. >> ok, we brought it to you today to get your thinking about it, and we will be talking about it more in the budget discussion. commissioner moran: thank you very much. public comment? ok, none? if you would call the next item. >> next item is item 11, discussion of possible action to approve either pedestrian lighting policy number one, number two, or number three, and authorize the general manager of the san francisco public utilities commission to

implement the pedestrian lighting policy. >> i am here in part today because the border supervisors recently adopted the better streets plan, which promotes the installation of pedestrian lighting in san francisco's streets. we are here in the interest of having you provide us with guidance on what our role should be in supporting the better streets plan. historically, there has been ambiguity in the charter and coat over the responsibility among city agencies for pedestrian writing. what i have before you today are three options. we recommend option 1, which would have the puc responsible for pedestrians lighting in city streets. i can go through briefly for you the alternatives. i am putting a slide down, so if you could please.

the first option, which is, as i say, the option that we recommend, is full responsibility on the part of the puc for lighting, where we would be responsible not only for providing the power, but also for the operation and maintenance of the lighting that is installed. policy two would have us have the latest catch, where we are only responsible for providing power -- the lightest touch. policy 3 would be a mix of the two. we would continue operating and maintaining the lights currently on the street, but we would accept no future additional role on pedestrian lighting. under the second option where we

would only be providing power, we will have to step back and unwind the responsibility for the 390 lights we currently have and find a new home agency for operations and maintenance of those lights. commissioner moran ask a question about the cost impacts of the three policy options. this slide gives you a sense of that. you can see with the 398 lights that we currently own, we are incurring a little over $24,000 a year in operations and maintenance costs. if we continue to have a role in pedestrian lighting and maintenance operations, we anticipate after 10 years of that policy, that that $25,000 would increase to about $37,000.

it is not a large cost burden. it strictly operations and maintenance. we expect the annual maintenance cost per like to go down as led lighting technologies are deployed in all the new pedestrian lighting applications. with policy one, it would be very clear that we are the agency you go to if you are a developer putting in a new residential condominium tower. we are the agency you go to to find out what is allowed in the streets for lighting. that means we control the energy efficiency. we control the overall look. it would be just another option in our streetlight catalog for what kind of pedestrian lining would also be available to developers has the better streets program rolls out. with that abbreviated

presentation, given all the material you have, i would be happy to answer any questions. commissioner moran: do you have the table in printed form? our screens are bouncing all over the place. >> i only have this one, which i am happy to hand to you is that is constructive for your conversation. commissioner moran: for clarification, up on the tv monitors -- >> mine is not. >> - ok. -- mind is ok. >> we are blessed somehow. commissioner moran: is pedestrian likening -- is

pedestrian lighting located in a public right of way? it does not include all the lighting in golden gate park? >> correct. >> it does not include that. it does not include whatever lighting there may be in dolores park. >> correct. those would stay with their current operators. commissioner moran: if there is a private development that has a wall way that they have chosen to light on their properties, it would not include that as well? >> correct. it would build off of what the city's public works code defines as a street. i will just put that definition up. it is slide 5 in your packet, and it is also inside the agenda item itself, but that is the definition. public areas between property lines. >> what is pushing us in this direction?

>> it is really the better streets plan. it clearly says the expectation is when streets will -- when streets are being improved, they will include a pedestrian lighting component. one of the most efficient ways of implementing that is to incorporate the pedestrian light on existing street light poles. so you are relying on the same circuitry. the difficulties we would have to arrange for compensation under a scenario where someone else is -- some other agency is responsible for pedestrian lighting and we remain responsible for street lights, it would be very complicated to figure out how to arrange for adequate compensation of the use of the street light poles when a pedestrian light is being coal located on it, for example.

even if the same poll is not being used, the same circuits will probably be used. we will have a role in this pedestrian lighting program that the city has endorsed in the better streets program. the question is -- what should that role be? the most efficient approach is to be responsible for the operation and maintenance of pedestrian lighting. >> commissioners, typically for this dollar amount, we probably would not have even bothered you with it, but we did bring this to your attention several months ago. we were talking about the pedestrian lighting at the fillmore jazz area, and we got the indication that maybe you did not want to go down this path. by giving you the information about the fair the minimal amount of money we're talking about and how it fits into the larger picture, we wanted to come back and revisit that. commissioner moran: is that a

redevelopment project considered public right of way? >> yes. >> that is one where if we had been more involved in the beginning, we probably would have had them put differently. >> the redevelopment situation -- is that expanding our potential reach on this? >> i thought that was the context under which we had the conversation before, was the uncertainty. >> there were other items that were not part of redevelopment with it were ready to turn the lights over to us, and we wondered if we should accept them. that was clearly one of the issues. fillmore jazz festival will development issue was going to happen whether or not the entire redevelopment issue in california change because that redevelopment area closed down anyway. >> you indicated that there was a thought about what the

alternative was. what is the alternative agency for responsibility of these lights? >> it is not clear. typically, if it is a redevelopment-sponsored project, redevelopment manages the pedestrian lighting component and looks to hand it to a city agency. they are looking to hand the existing pedestrian let's, as the general manager mentioned, to us, and we have said no because we have not received the guidance we need from you on that question. another potential candidate department would be dpw because they are otherwise responsible for aspects of the street.

>> i have read through all these options, and it seems in the interest of efficiency and decision-making and being able -- consistency of look and feel -- it just makes the most sense for pc to take this on. i mean, the cost is so minimal. with that, i would like to make a motion to approve lighting policy 1. >> second. commissioner moran: i will just add one comment to that, and that is that it does not directly relate, but for years, we have been providing power for free for street lights. as part of our new rate that we adopted, we will be collecting some revenue from that. half a cent.

there is a little give and a little take at the same time. motion and a second. >> we have no speaker cards. commissioner moran: any other public comment? any other commission,? all those in favor? oppose? the motion carries. >> the next item is closed session. if you will make a motion to assert attorney-client privilege and invite public comment on any agenda item, and then i will read them before we retired a closed session, should that be approved. commissioner moran: can i have a motion? moved and seconded. all those in favor? motion carries. >> we have no speaker cards. let me briefly read the adams pier 14, a threat to public services or facilities, consultation with agency chief of security. conference with legal counsel, existing litigation as defendant, pacific states

environmental contractors versus city and county of san francisco. we will now retire into closed session. if people will clear the room please. commissioner moran: could i have a motion whether to disclose? >> motion not to disclose. >> second. commissioner moran: moved and seconded not to disclose. any discussion? public comment? all those in favor? the motion carries. >> unless there is any additional new business by any commissioners at this point, i believe there is no other business for the commission. commissioner moran: do we have any new business? >> any word on grant's trial? commissioner moran: no news

there yet. ok, then, thank you. this meeting is adjourned.

>> welcome to today's event. this is the 15th anniversary, celebrating the chinese lunar new year. the lunar new year is a 14-year cycle. this year is the year of the dragon. i would like to introduce and acknowledge some guests today. first off, mayor ed lee. [applause] police chief sur and the command staff of the police department. [applause] president of the board of supervisors, david chiu. [applause] server book -- supervisor eric

mar. [applause] police commissioner angela chan. [applause] president of the police commission, thomas mazuko. [applause] representing san francisco state, our host today, the program director, irena. [applause] i would be remiss if i did not mention in david chan, who really is the glue that put this all together. [applause] robert from the department of adult probation and parole. [applause] do we have a representative from the chinese chamber today? thank you for being here today. [applause]

>> testing, ok. thank you, everyone, for coming today. i am very enthusiastic about -- this microphone. [laughter] and about joining with all these people behind me, our board, our chief, our commissioners, all of our community partners. this is an opportunity as we begin the new lunar new year to signal a very important program that was adopted many years ago but that has been growing year after year. and that is a relationship with our community. i and lunar new year, what we have seen in the past is that, you know, things happen, some criminal activities might occur because of the prosperity and the success of the lunar new year, and we have had to always be reactive.

the chief and die and the commission, we know, working with community programs, and our family associations are also here, and the merchants, and if we are ahead of it, we will continue this fantastic record that our chief is really helping us do, and that is lower the crime rate. we have been successful. in fact, this year we are down 6% in our overall crime. and we want to keep it that way and keep the statistics from ever overwhelming us. one of the most important things that we can do in evens like this that last for a good amount of time is work with our public safety officers and all of their efforts in making sure that everyone is safe, they all enjoyed the prosperity this event offers, and that we be competent in the way that we carry this out. so i want to signal, with the support of our supervisors,

commissioners, and police officers on the ground -- there are many of them here but you will see them a lot. if anything, our officers enjoy our new year's here in san francisco. they enjoy being part of it. they also enjoy helping our residents, whether they're seniors, kids, or merchants in chinatown, to make sure that they enjoy every aspect of this. i know, working in the past in all the other positions that i have had, that sometimes people, particularly in the chinese community, consider something or they say that somebody is asking for some money and they asked for it or they actually probably did not use the word extort, but they did things that were not appropriate. and it was a hassle for people to report it. but, at the same time, what they did not realize, one thing leads to the other.

one incident leads to the other. suddenly, you have an accepted practice that is not acceptable to anybody. we want to make sure that does not happen. and it continues that there is a trust built with our police department, with community leaders on the ground that say no one is going to take advantage of a senior or of a kid who has a red envelope or the merchants who are just trying to enjoy and be prosperous like everyone else. that will not be tolerated. we will work very closely to make sure that the lunar new year ended attendees are enjoyed by the full list, by everybody, and no one takes advantage of the situation. i also recognize george gascón, our new district attorney. thank you for being here to help us celebrate this new year. we're here at the gate and chinatown. we are here to signal that our lunar year, the year of the dragon, will be enjoyed by everybody without exception, and

that everyone should feel safe. but also that, you know, there is education. if there is anything that they are teaching us, it is to prevent ourselves from being victims. so that there is less problems for everybody and that we recognize that the greatest hassle is for us to be victims of circumstances that we could actually prevent. so, watching out for each other, working with our officers, knowing that there is a great captain at our local police station that has command of everybody here that is competent, can speak different languages, that can get to any signal that there is something that is wrong is going on. and then, most importantly, that we do celebrate this wonderful occasion in the most positive way with everybody. we want people to come into our city and come to chinatown. come into all the chinatowns in

san francisco, including this great one here, and celebrate with us and be very positive about it and make sure there is no hesitation that our safety and the safety of everybody here is our number one concern. and we keep that as the highest priority. as to celebrate all the different divisions, we want to signal that we have a very close knit family of everybody working together, sharing information, sharing our knowledge and our successes, from our youth to our seniors to everybody in between, and to all of our merchants. i want to make sure it happens in that we celebrate it. success to everyone. thank you to everyone in our official city family for coming together and being part of this very culturally, successful, happy time. happy chinese lunar new year. happy chinese lunar new year. [speaks foreign language]