thresholds' in place for the district? >> de manila that bar has an entertainment permit? -- and do you know if that bar has an entertainment permit? >> it is in the smaller commercial district, and the parking lot owner, i am really concerned about the cost of the very small parking lot of people, others that may not be as heavily trafficked. i wonder if there have been discussions? >> that person would be impacted. there has been conversation about possibly allowing the chief to raid of the requirements.

that is a conversation that is a topic. >> i am concerned about the pressure, the lead to just selling the parking lot than developing it. we will take out a small business and parking, and not the unintended consequences. commissioner adams: i would like to also agree with what the cl commissioneryde -- commissioner clyde just said. there are a lot of parking lot owners that this would put them out of business. i have a couple of questions here. there are a lot of lots that

have city car share in them. >> i do not think that we have talked to the city car share. there might be ways where the parking lots, if they are secure, they don't have to be attended. they can have the car shares of its unsecured, that might be away. commissioner adams: two more questions. my other question, instead of hiring a security guard, what a>> we had a meeting in supervisor chiu's office, and there are a number of entertainment venue holders, and at that meeting they expressed more than interested - -of an i -- more of an interest in

staffing. commissioner adams: my final question, ouare city lots subject to this? >> no. commissioner adams: the reason i am saying that, a l halfot -- bwe have a lot behind the castro theater. we have gates and everything, it keeps getting smashed down and i would like to know from your office, they are 24 hours for the most part. we try to limit the hours and we have had problems. the city is going to make private owners do this, why doesn't the city require it for their own lot? the marina is 24 hours. a lot of these people that go to

these facilities -- >> that is something we have heard and we are interested in exploring. this is for the permits that private parking and private commercial parking facilities have to apply for. there is the security plan requirements for that process. the city as a whole is a separate issue. it is not something we can always directly change. i think that conversation is happening because we recognize it. commissioner o'connor: let's see. thanks for adding that, mr. adams. very helpful, to say the least. >> a couple of other points, i'm not sure to how familiar you are

with parking issues. i run a parking lot that i keep secret. i don't want people to know that. >> it is not secret anymore. [laughter] commissioner o'connor: i don't see it in all parking lots, but you all by legislative code, supposed to install a computerized money credit card machine. these cost $15,000. they are not cheap. that is a lot of money to me. that is something that the city has asked of parking lot attendants. i do not know to what degree they are compliant.

>> the city takes 25% tax of parking lots. i think supervisor mirkarimi was trying to get it to go to 38% or 35%. i think it lost, shockingly. so there is a lot. those are pretty heavy burdens. i dunno about burton's, but that is a pretty heavy request for the city to make. i would love to have their real person there and i would definitely have a real person there. with the machine, i don't have an attendant. i think the city auditor doesn't agree with that because they realize that there needs to be a paper trail for people in

parking lots. the city has a history of parking lot owners not reporting their income. i think that this sounds like a great idea for broadway and four areas where there are serious nightclub activity. in my case, i don't think we have had any problems with our lot except when we had to hire somebody to clean it all up because it was ridiculous. if a lot can perhaps staff a feood truck or somebody that is making money selling some type of food item and that person qualifies as an attendee, that is something that should be explored. they're going to have to counterbalance the money it

costs for a person to be there. some parking lots might be so busy that they don't care. i am sure that there is a lot on the edge, and it is not very profitable. this would definitely make it probably a money loser. those are some ideas that if it was more curtailed, there has to be a history of problems for this to kick in. i am trying to think of other examples of how that triggers other types of businesses and other permits. basically, the lot has a history of problems. the ones on broadway are obvious. if we are going to see this

through, it should be some type of deal with the attendant is bubbling for some type of leather in come. food b.a. -- maybe a fodo truc -- food truck or something. commissioner adams: commissioner o'connor, i love that idea. that is the best idea i have heard. commissioner o'connor: a permit for a food truck at night time. it is hard to get in and out -- commissioner adams: i think that would be great. that is the kind of thinking that we need appear -- up here. parking lot owners are already struggling. if you are in the eastern part of the city, you do well. if you are where janet is, you

do well on weekends. during the week, and not so well. i like that idea of maybe if there was a way that the parking lot operators can make some extra money, i like that. commissioner o'connor: i think even more important, the parking lot had a history of problems. when there is that history, i am totally in agreement that we should be staffing. commissioner adams: most private lots have attendance. commissioner clyde: first of all, i agree wihth you, commissioner adams. having a person on sighte in any capacity should qualify for a staff person. if they chose to figure out a

fence mechanism or lock mechanism, that is well and good, but for the trouble some lots, people are going to move into the neighborhood and they are going to go to somebody's door way, down the street, we're talking about some areas of violence and misbehavior. issues that are really not the parking lot owner's per view. -- purview. do they have good relationships with their late night patrols and their station in busier areas? i am going to caution about this, simply moving the problem away and maybe into more residential neighborhoods.

and just to caution solving the problem this way, and the implementation of 30 days. some operators will choose fencing over a live person. 30 days is not going to be enough time for them. >> i don't think they would have to have a security plan until the next annual permit. commissioner clyde: thanks for clarifying that. commissioner riley: i have a question regarding the requirement of attendance until 3:00 in the morning. every day of the week or for the weekends? >> what we heard from the entertainment community in the neighborhood director, there is a real significant problem in parking lots, and it is often the fact that the parking lots create issues because they go, tailgate, they may not go to the club. the parking lot operators can

effectively take a lot of money and the left, but it would be like -- they took money at the door, it is not an exact analogy, but they are part of the same ecosystem. the clubs are getting a lot of the blame for the violence that is happening in the nearby parking lot. we have also heard that it depends on the neighborhood, it is every night and that is active. we kept trying to narrow it until thursday through sunday, and we heard back from the entertainment community, but it is really every night. we invited the police department to speak to this>> cost is goin.

>> i am the director of the entertainment commission, and there are also some folks who have venues near the parking lots. gooi can tell you about their experiences. i think the problem is trying to find one size fits all, and this does not. what i think this will do is in that venue, it could be the one you are talking about, but it

would not necessarily be one size fits all. it would be relevant to the operation, and in some cases if there is across the seems too high, they have the option of closing it because the venue operators do not necessarily rely on parking lot stereos -- parking lots. >> a problem that is happening at a parking lot and a nighttime menuvenue, the parking lot coule

essential. >> i mean to close it at night. >> it just sounded so cavalier. >> i did not mean that. the answer is it is not one size fits all. we use the same methodology when we get entertainment permits. we know entertainment permits are different. we will assume the police will look at in relation to the lot that is being talked about. >> because of the holidays, i am curious as to whether you have had the ability gif the parking

lots versus the facilities and a 1000-foot radius, and also, has there been any correlation with the parking lot size or its correlation to a venue sizemore? >> regarding the gif, and we are working on that, and the maps were not ready to night. the percentage of the city where entertainment permits are allowed is really small. it is not much of the city, so none of this would have an impact beyond those parts of the city, so the parking lot is outside the area. what was the second question?

>> is there any correlation to activities in relation to the size of the parking lot or the venue it is near? fax i do not know. -- >> i do not know. one of the worst ones we had was next to skips for a long time. that is not a big lot at all, but may have ensued. perhaps what about this issue of driving the mayhem? that is a law enforcement issues. >> it is commo, and there is no, but a dark parking lots where people can come together become parties of themselves and in front of someone's home is less

likely, although it could happen, although i do not think there is as much of a tendency to preload in a neighborhood. >> this would only be applicable to 1,000 feet? >> that is correct. >> i just want to go back to the idea about whether you would consider rolling it out incrementally based on the parking lots have been having chronic problems, see how it goes, and that would give the other parking lots some time to evaluate and different rollout schedule. >> i think that is a good idea,

and i would bring it back to strikes since we have the holiday and did not get a chance to oust all of those questions, if the parking lot of those have those entities in its zoloft, -- in its lot and can afford to close, they would incur more costs to be able to allow their customers in and out access, so i want to know if that was ever given consideration. >> i do not think it ever came oup, so we are happy to look ino it. commissioner o'connor: i am

wondering if the police department would consider allowing the police to distinguish between which lots need these plans and which lots do not end of their be some discretion they decide on based on the history and the location. >> i am not sure the police department always collects the data in a way that is tied to the lot, so that has always been an issue. >> i am not sure how things have changed, but each station used to have a permit officer. i do not know if that has changed. they do? that permit officer would know it's a lot was a problem, and they would be able to say, we

need help with this, because it is not our responsibility to police this lot all the time. >> any other questions? i would like to weigh in. in one of the disadvantages of coming in last is everyone's questions always get asked. commissioner o'connor asked first. i will dayan on as the eye and not crazy about this legislation. -- i will be honest on this and say i am not crazy about this legislation. i worry about how this is going to be handled. this is not the first time legislation has come up like

this but would initially go out potentially as a letter to people telling them that no rules have changed -- that the rules have changed or something has been decided upon. for me to go along with this, i would want to insist upon something like commissioner o'connor alluded to. i do not except it does not possible to identify problematic parking lots from those that do not have a problem. i believe where there is a will, there is a way, and it should be possible to somehow implement a procedure whether through an administrative process with the police department, and it would be great to allow parking lot operators across the board to know about this as part of an

outreach process, because i worry some people may not know about it, and i would rather see some consequence of not doing something about it. i think that would be appropriate after someone has been given a fair warning, we have a problem with parking lots. we want to address it, and we need to put a plan together. we want you to think about what you can do to mitigate it. it is better that you deal with it. does anyone have any discussion? were these well with lots where the problems occurred bowman region -- were these well-lit lots where these occurred?

if we are in areas with problems, we will try to make sure there is a lights illuminated during dark because asset has set an immediate impact on what kinds of activity goes on there. anyone dealing drugs will instinctively run away from whites. does anyone have a discussion a will instinctively run away from life'ghts. does anyone have a discussion about that? >> we pointed at the requirement and said, they have to me that minimum. the police chief is able to require more light in the parking facility. the whole conversation is not just about entertainment issues. there are also auto thefts and

break-ins and personal security, so these are not things to lose sight of in the conversation. >> was there any study to see if there was a correlation between done? >> not that i am aware of. >> i would like to see something that would try to leave people who do not have a problem today alone and try to pinpoint this and take the time and effort involved. without any questions, and i will open it is to public comment. >> i have two speaker cards. public comments are limited to 3 minutes. please speak your name for the

record. >> i am one of the owners of the great american musical, and i have the honor of during strictly bluegrass with the late mr. hellman. the parking lot is very well lit, and there is no attendant. there are a lot of problems, and there are a lot of rogue parking lots that are not attended the people own, and they will pay cash, and once it is awful, -- once it is full, they will leave. we have very little problems. it works very well.

what i have noticed is people are drinking in their cars in the parking lots before they come to clubs. they are acting like they are 18. i do not know if it has to do with the economy, but they are coming to the club already drunk, and they are doing things in a costco parking lot and acting like children. i feel like the attendant was an asset instead of putting in a machine. we close at midnight because we are live music, and and i have a parking lot only used for the band and crew. i leave to people out there until 3:00 in the morning so there is no going on in the back of our parking lot. we also have cc tv.

when people have broken into cars you cannot tell who they are because they all have to black hoodies and baggy clothes. cc tv does not make any sense. i think hoodlums are not going to be identifiable by circuit tv. it is a problem that really does exist, and it is not only for children. iraq's 30 more seconds. good >> are really believe lightning is an -- >> 30 more seconds. >> i really believe lightning is an issue. what i would like to say quickly isnd