well. there is very little to the natural ebb and flow compared to what it is now. in terms of the neighborhood, as residents who often work out of their house, they will have to think about moving their car during the day when they are home. we understand that mission bay, for what is, parking meters might work well. but dog patch is not mission bay. the consensus is that they are absolutely opposed to this and would appreciate the mta, and any listening. there has been no engagement in the community and there is a lot of anger and disappointment. so, we would appreciate it if

you would not support this. thank you. >> ms. woods? >> good morning, commissioners. i am the chairman of the mission bases and advisory commission. at least four other few weeks. we are not sure what will happen after that. we know that mission bay is going to move forward as a transit first development, but we are still hoping. and we know that this program, as we have worked with david n.

j. quite closely over the last few months to work out the details, through lots of meetings, they have always been agreeable to discussing the issues. it is a pilot. we are not sure that we have the right solution in every case. even in mission bay, the retail is pretty much empty right now. as it evolves along the corridor, we want to be sure that people can park to go into retail establishments. in the north, the 3000 residential units out there were not being used initially. but they have already got meters now.

guests can come for dinner instead of having the parking taken up by people from anywhere that want to park all day for nothing. we have asked the sf park people not to put meters on the blocks that will be under major construction for the next few years. we have a lot of buildings that will be under construction. something like five blocks that they have not started on yet. we agreed that the parking shed is important. articulately the commuters that, in and do nothing all day, but more importantly for events at at&t park. at&t part basically takes over

every parking place that is not time limited or metered. the meters that are a limited allow at&t attendees to park for less money than going into the garages and parking lot. therefore, we are not sure that the pricing is right. we want to work with asset part to evaluate the things that go along and we will look forward to seeing how it works. thank you. >> janice? [unintelligible] >> hello, [unintelligible] my name is] and i am -- my name is janet [unintelligible] and i am here representing groups that work with the port on warm water code. i am here to support me during or some kind of parking

regulations along illinois street, from 23rd to 24th streets and from third street to the warm water cove park. right now it is hard to tell that there is a park at the end of 24th street, because there are vehicles parked there every day and night all over the street. a lot of people do not feel that safe walking down there. must have a lot of trash with dogs barked by the vehicles, harassing the people that walk down to the park. i am very much in favor of having a two hour to four parking -- four hour parking down there. i am absolutely and totally against what is proposed.

unlike mission bay, dog patch was not engaged in this proposal. mr. [unintelligible] came to the meeting for a bag presentation at the end of the meeting and, at that time, he was introducing a proposal that we thought would involve more engagement and we would be able to talk through what we do with our neighborhood. over the last several years we worked out a parking plan. all that we wanted was residential parking. we finally got it, with residential stickers. of what it does is help small businesses in our neighborhood. it is not just residential and retail, it is residential and small businesses. we are working with small businesses because we figure you

can come out for a while and parked somewhere else. it moves the traffic around. we invited him back to our january meeting. we have spoken on the phone. everyone he speaks with, he does not take in their suggestions. he just tells us that this is what we are proposing and he will not work with us. this is unacceptable. leaders within dog patch will not work. we need more time to talk about this. we do like the four hour time limit, where people can move around in businesses get people to come in. the biggest problem in our neighborhood are the computer -- commuters that park all day. 25 cents per hour a limited meters will be great for them. it does not help small business residents at all.

i would like you to not consider any kind of support for that program. thank you. >> any other kind of public comment? commissioners? >> i do not understand the concept of -- of meters in the limited parking. if the goal is to create a limited availability, what would you put in a meter and that allow people to park there all day? like this is an important point and it gets to the heart of what's sf park is about. we have three basic parking management tools. time limit, parking meters, or residential parking permit. or meters with time limits.

like i mentioned before, time limits are not particularly convenient and are difficult to enforce. enforcing the meters can often be visual in easy. you drive in you on. time limits, we have 250 enforcement officers with everyone else using chalk. passed by once, then you have to pass by again to enforce. one hour, to our time limits, can be labor-intensive and almost useless in terms of creating availability. meters that take credit cards, 24 -- 25 cents per hour with no time limits, you will not find that anywhere else in california. it is innovative and meant to match the mixed used characteristics of these

neighborhoods. if we were to have meters with time limits in this area, that would not address a lot of the people who drive to work and really do park all day. time limits would pretty much prohibit them from parking. if we have time limits, we see that two hour, three hours shuffle, people wasting their time, and it being bad for greenhouse gas. this is meant to be the easiest parking management staff. there is no lower step that we can do, using meters as a tool. it is considered best practiced and stated the art. -- is considered best practice and state of the art. >> in commercial areas they want

chances for different customers. if you are allowing someone to stay at the meter all day, you have not accomplished that. >> in some ways it boils down to supply and demand. people consume a lot of on street parking. if we charged just 25 cents, right off the bat several of the commercial vehicles stored on the street, people in other residential neighborhoods, 25 cents is enough. we are already increasing the usable amount of parking supply on the street. it will not change the behavior of a lot of people. third street light rail does pass through.

that is the point. basic supply and demand. that is the idea. >> what about the meter had themselves? i have shared this with our director. it is not universal. i use this card to take muni, on meters, but some leaders take credit cards. the meter heads themselves are confusing to elderly people. i am hoping that we get a universal system in place. if you help me with that, i would appreciate that greatly. >> we are trying to create a

different experience. it can be a pain and confusing in san francisco. people going to park somewhere, parking with the change in their pocket. people can leave with a bitter taste in their mouth, vowing never to return to san francisco. this is exactly what we do not want. part of this direction, part of this brand, they take credit cards. it is critical and people love it. it read the cracks the nout of convenient payment. in an ideal world, it is technically a possibility. we are trying to make it easier by paying by phone.

coming to a meter to see that it is paid. we are trying to make it easy. many people i've complained about multi-space meters. the user interface is very bad. we have made incremental improvements. we have tried to find a less easy to use meters on the market. where you just walk up and we had very few complaints. 3000 or so already have those new meters. they will be released this year. it is an urgent problem. >> i know that it is user

friendly and not everyone carries a credit card. it is not appropriate to carry a credit card with a value on it for a 7-year-old. my point is, there is a universal system, a debit system, however universal the card is. i would just like us to take a look at that as well. like there is a stored value card that is great. you can order them at no charge of mine. we tried to make easy for a lot of options. >> but again, this does not work at a credit-card reader. >> by are supposed to work with all meters. if you find one that does not, please call 311. that helps us to go in and fix them. >> thank you.

>> go ahead. >> i guess i have some familiarity with the dog patch area. it has a few businesses and is mostly along the 21st or 22nd. >> just for your benefit, like i said, as much as possible we like to coordinate with mta parking strategists to have consistent regulations and hours of operations and what not. the port commission does not have jurisdiction over the streets, a jurisdiction within the central waterfront on port st. being very inconsistent. in general, illinois street between mayor oppose and 20th -- mayor oppose the -- mary oppose the -- mayor

mariposa is the southernmost street. pier 70. we have illinois street. 20th street east of illinois. then we have illinois st. halfway between 24th and 25th. we have 24th street east of illinois street. when we come back in front of you in february to amend the port traffic code, we would be proposing regulations consistent with whatever the board decides to do at their february meeting. it is not within the residential areas of dog patch. one thing i skipped over in my presentation is that the port with mta did do a significant

amount about reached. we went to the waterfront advisory group. we met with all the neighborhood organizations and port tenants in the area. we have had them working on this for about two years now. i wanted to let you know that. thank you. >> any of the comments? >> i have a couple of questions on the technology of the new meters since you want to do demand pricing. can you centrally drive the change for rates or ours? how does the technology work? >> they are state of the art. each one has a gprs modem. that is how they do real-time credit card authorization. >> you can change the rate for

hours parking centrally. david did describe we do not have jurisdiction over the dog patch. i guess we probably would say it would be a nice idea if you were able to meet with the group and hear their concerns. we're not here to give you any direction because it is outside our jurisdiction. the meters on the port property , where does the revenue cgo? >> we have an agreement with mta. they work with us to install and manage the meters with input from staff on pricing and what not. the revenue does come to the court -- port. we do pay their parking control officers to manage and do

collection, but the revenue does come back to the port from the meters. >> will you be able to give us a forecast on revenue? >> we did do some projections for the mission bay area. it was covered in the staff report. david may be able to help me with this. the initial investment is around three and $40,000 within mission bay -- $340,000 within mission bay. we expect a payoff to be between 12 and 18 months. >> that is after we pay the mta expenses for maintaining the meters. you can address that when you come to us to provide the economics. as a consumer or resident, you

would not want to go from block to block can have different rates. they would not understand that this is on city or port property. i would advocate that we be consistent for the public that the rate per hour and everything else is consistent with the contiguous areas, otherwise it will be confusing. >> this is something we have struggled with. we have been able to align our days of operation and hours of operation. we have done that specifically on illinois between mariposa and 20th street, east of illinois st.. there is a mix of office and other uses where there are no meters or regulations today.

we felt a softer way of transitioning from no regulations to regulations would be to cap the rate for the first 12 months. in reality, for eight months there would be a discrepancy from block to block. that could be something we could look to the commission for direction on. maybe we would go with what the mta board approves at their february meeting. we may want to soften the transition for areas going from no regulations to meters. that was the reason for our decision on capping the rate for the first 12 months. >> we're trying to eliminate circling. people may decide to partita

blocks down. it is a very confusing experience -- people may decide to try to partita blocks down. it is a very confusing experience. depending on the hour of the day, your rate could change. when we park, we think it is the same rate now i am hearing we may be charged after 6:00. it is going to be a changing experience. it sounds like they're going to introduce over the city different ways of handling parking in the future. >> we're trying to be consistent across the board so it is not confusing. >> i appreciate we want to make a softer experience. been consistent -- being consistent, i think most people would find that easier. >> if i could respond to the comment about average. i want to reiterate david's

point. it hurts to hear criticism. we have done our best in terms of meeting with every group possible. over the last eight months, we have met with 25 community groups anywhere related to this area, including outside. we have met with everyone. we have not turned down an invitation. we're very happy to return to talk to the dog patch group began. i wanted to underscore that. >> my only other question would be if you are going to have a flexible change in pricing, it sounds like there's great technology to manage it, it would be that you put a notice on the meters so people understand they need to look carefully. the rate during the day and at night could be different. i understand you are trying to move to a higher level.

i think it will be very confusing for the public, regardless of where. i am hearing it for the first time. that is a big change. >> there are eight private areas. we've done three changes of rates since july. that is not an issue that has come up. we are waiting for it. people have not complained. part of that might be that some people do not care if they. the credit card. you do not feel it as much. our experts. some people might not notice people consistently park in the fillmore area arts -- are figuring it out. it is a challenge. we will see how it is go.

>> right now, everybody thinks after 6:00 p.m. you do not have to pay anything. if you are going to start charging, people have to be aware. hopefully you can avoid the real awakening with a ticket. -- the rude awakening with a ticket. >> implementation, we are going to have to do that right. we have implementation details around construction. we will work carefully with the developers to make sure we do not put meters in that they will have to tear out or move over. the restaurant owners are going to be great allies. the businesses in the evening, we want them to help get the word out. parking officers will just be giving warnings for the first month or two.

they will warn people that as of march 1 they will be enforcing it. we will pay much attention to that. the kinds of tickets people did not know about are the worst. >> obviously, we're going to the next stage of development. it is interesting how you managed to change and get the community to change. thank you very much. the next item? >> an informational presentation on requests for proposals for rehabilitation and development of the 20th street historic buildings within the pier 70 site near 20th street and illinois st. >> good morning. i am from the ports planning and

development group. again to follow you with something simpler than parking meters, historic preservation. i am excited to be here today. we have developers interested in redeveloping. they're here to give presentations. i will give a quick overview. one of the developers has stepped out. we only have three now. they are still interested in. 70, but maybe in a different role. i would like to walk you through this. this is 20th street, ww ii. the buildings. much the same now on the outside but are not doing well on the inside. when we did -- we have decided to do a different offering process.

instead asking people to put together a detailed perspective, we know is difficult. it is a transition in the neighborhood. it started with a different process. i am going to show you pictures of the building while i explained -- show you pictures of the buildings while i explaine the process. we went out and asking people to let us know what buildings they were interested in. we wanted to make sure if we put out an rfc that we would get a response. we got 15 responses of interest. we sorted through those. we shifted to a request for proposals in october. we invited 10 parties to make proposals. we ended up receiving