as advanced in technology, but i noticed that the officers had pda's, and they could enter information into them, and i thought it would be slow, but it was actually very fast, and when transporting a mentally ill person, they had a one-stop shop. i hope that will happen in the future. they were able to ask the person what medication they take and enter it into their pda, and they would have the medication ready for that person by the time the officer delivered them within 10 to 15 minutes, so i think it is pretty amazing what technology can do to help the officers. to reduce their waiting time. i know often that the officer is just waiting, but it takes them off quite a while with each incident. i wanted to ask director gefen -- giffin about something that i

saw. there was a recommendation about tracking property. there was one summarize where they did not realize that the person had a court order to actually get the property back. i want to ask, is that in the works, too, to streamline the tracking of the property by the department? >> it is. we still use the old cable for property tracking, and actually, the chicago police department has the same technology as what we are implementing, so we are in discussions with oracle and the chicago police department about whether we can pull that in and use it. the challenge is always that is not necessarily a technical issue. it is a change in process because we do not have a lot of

business analysts, so every process of change, it is a lot of work. it is very typical to make these kinds of changes, so the process we are in right now is that the product -- project is massive just to move to the data warehouse, so i would imagine these additional systems would be sometime in the future, but, yes, that is the plan, that all of those systems would be integrated. commissioner chan: at some time, this would be to come in line? >> it gives us everything, including property that we will later track. commissioner chan: that is something? >> they and 24 different systems. you have to get off of cable and find out who is using all of these systems, what they are

using them for, what are their user requirements, and we have nobody to do all of that work, so it is a challenge to move off of an old system. it is great, let's start using it. there is the analysis with determining who all of the other subscribers, all of the other consumers of that are, how to transition them, and we do not have people to do that work, so it is challenging. >> the director has a great plan. it is all mapped out. she is very patient operating within the resources she has. i am sure that the commissioners, your mind get swimming. can i do this? can i do this? can i do this? the answer is yes but that rome was not built in a day. having success and having the officers tremendously receptive to this new system, having been through at least two or three systems were almost immediately

they could tell right off of the back that they were not having it, and i remember one system we had where you could not go backwards. you had to go all of the way through all of these masks to get back to an estate you may have made, and if you are clicking it too fast, you would have to go back again, so you could not even move a cursor backwards. now, you can not only go backwards, we can google information. i think chief schmidt can tell you, the fact we're even talking like this is kind of unbelievable. commissioner chan: thanks. president mazzucco: commissioner marshall? vice president marshawn: -- marshall: do you look at implementing all of these pit >> yes, we do. the comptroller's office --

implementing all of this? >> yes, we do. the comptroller's office. there is the liaison who works directly with the director, and i think he deserves some recognition. he did a great job, as well. vice president marshall: you guys are geniuses. president mazzucco: thank you, director. we were shocked to find out about having internet at the stations, and the answer was no, so believe it or not, 3.5 years ago, san francisco police department did not have the internet, so it has come a long way, and i think you. all right, please call line- item 3d, the occ report.

>> good afternoon, commissioners, chief. you have in your packets the november and december 2011. i have already orally delivered those reports to you, so i just wanted you to have the hard copies. what you do not have is the information about the adjudication of the sustained complaints from november 2011 through december 2011, and the occ received two adjudication letters from chief suhr the sec investigated and made one or more sustained findings. in the first case, the cheek conferred -- concurred against an officer for unlawfully

searching in a car. the officer was admonish. in the second case, the chief concurred with the occ finding against an officer for wrongfully citing a complaint to was sitting on a fire hydrant. the officer was admonish. moving to this month, this month, the occ has facilitated four mediations, so we are starting the new year off well on the mediation program, and, commissioner chan, i believe, will report later what the occ participated in today regarding how law-enforcement interacts with juveniles, and that concludes my report. president mazzucco: thank you,

director hicks. any other comments or questions before commissioner chan? >> i noted specifically with the facts about on lawful search, it seems a little more serious. >> commissioner chan, that would be something for the cheap, because he imposes the discipline. my choice with an advocate -- allegation is to indicate to the chief whether or not i believe it is chief level discipline, meaning that the chief has the option of imposing no discipline or up to 10 days of discipline or whether i have determined that it should be commission disciplined, and if i determined that that is what it should be, the chief has the option then,

if he agrees that it should be sustained of filing charges with the police commission, if the chief chooses not to, then i have the option of filing charges with the commission, so these are chief level discipline. commissioner chan: so these two? >> yes. >> then i go to our schedule of discipline that and have in the internal affairs, and wherever it starts, that is where i start, trying to be very objective, as you all know from sitting with me in our various pre-trial, and then nobody gets to start there again. if someone gets an admonishment, that would be the last admonishment from me on something like that, and it will be progressive. depending on the degree of violation beyond that, the next would be a written reprimand, and beyond that would be time off.

commissioner c h -- chan: thank you. president mazzucco: anything else for director hicks? commissioner: as we have seen over the previous year, fewer people expressing dissatisfaction with their interaction with the sfpd, i appreciate your reporting on a year-to-year basis. the trend has been so dramatic and continuous through my 1.5 years at the commission, it might be useful the next time you do the report to comment on a longer-term, the two or three or four years, because i just think the decrease in the number of complaints about police officers is testament to your work, to the police work, to the commission more, and to the officers, most importantly,

their work, and i think it deserves recognition. these numbers have been going down and down and down and down, and is not due to lack of outreach to people saying we are available. it is not for lack of events going on in the city. maybe we will see an uptick in the next report in light of the but occupy, or maybe we will not -- in light of the occupy. i think it is worthy of recognition of the officers and the chiefs department, because it is good news, and we do not always get good news, and i think we should recognize it when it comes. >> commissioner slaughter, thank you. the occ does prepare an annual report, and we plan to deliver that report in february, and in that report, i will discuss the trends. what i will say about 2011 is

that 2011 represents the lowest number of complaints filed with the sec since we started keeping these comprehensive statistics in 1993. i will highlight that in my report to you. commissioner slaughter: that really makes my day, to know that 2011 was the lowest number of interactions with the department. it will be hard to match going forward, but we will do our best, so thank you, director hicks. >> thank you. president mazzucco: commissioner marshall? vice president marshall: when we do that, i think we should take into context the total period, because members have been going down all over. you are right.

we have had trends with the department. the total picture. i definitely think it makes a statement about what is going on about the crime we see in san francisco, and that is just another piece of it. >> thank you, director marshall. president mazzucco: please call litem 3c. >> i have nothing to report other than as we are talking about the trends, i am pleased to report that this commission has finally reached a single digits in terms of pending cases. we're down to nine from seven. i want to thank the commissioners for their hard work and think the occ -- thank the occ. thanks to the chief in his

efforts of helping a subtle cases. there is open dialogue between the prosecuting attorneys and the police department and the defense counsel. that is one of the proudest accomplishments for this commission. when i heard we were under the tan market was significant. thank you, everybody. president mazzucco: any reports, commissioners? commissioner terman: rather than reporting on the meaning i thought i would take the of rigidity. supervisor campos held a meeting on improving police interaction. specifically it was a meeting in which a trainer, someone who has done a great deal of work, she is now to certain members of the commission.

one moment. i'm sorry, one moment. >> her name is lisa deerow -- thororeau. there are toher -- other leaders. different supervisors themselves to talk about a training program for policing the teen brain and schools.

some of the things that were addressed, some cultural competencies' along with dealing with youth and developing this competencies' -- those competencies. and how police officers need to take in policing youth. i was pleased to see members of the department there and in particular the sro's were there. it was a training program. i believe there is some interest in implementing -- we will say that there were not specifics on costs which is something i am concerned about. there were good -- good ideas. did you have other aspect you

wanted to share? >> there was an outside foundation officer there who seemed interested in helping to underwrite some of the costs. they did not guarantee anything but the fact they send someone there is a big deal. i appreciate the chief sent five members of the department there including the expert in youth issues for the sro officers and she talked about some of the difficulties officers face in the school system especially when there is a disagreement between the officers and the administration. how it would be good and -- to involve members of the administration and make sure that officers when they deal with youth get the support they need. i am looking forward to discussions. they give me -- give me a heads up. they want to talk about youth and officers and they are thinking in the next few months.

i would strongly support that. i do not think we have had a joint meeting with the youth commission. the chief prioritizes use the issues. -- youth issues. president mazzucco: i wish i had known about it. it sounds terrific. is there anything else you'd like to add? line item 3d. >> scheduling of items. president mazzucco: do we have any announcements? what is our next community meeting? >> i do not believe we have said any. -- set any. >> the the tenant as back

helping to train. and that is what we need to do is get that next meeting on schedule for next month. commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: i propose we put on the agenda the dgo 517. it is on our plate. i propose we put that on our agenda and handle it. president mazzucco: do see where that will fit in in the future? >> i do. >> i know that last week we made the attempt of planning them further in advance. we could do more outreach. there is a lot on the lieutenant inspector's plate but a suggestion for next week for the year ahead where we need to go where we have not been yet. as potential locations.

that we did not surprise any of the captain's likely did last year. >> the love surprises. we can do that. no problem. >> we have been doing them, we have some new captains transitioning. if we start that next month, so there are no surprises. commissioner kingsley: i would like to request that we get documentation in advance of a community meeting so that the presentation, we have copies of what is going to be presented. if we get that in advance. president mazzucco: any other announcements? it is now open for public comment regarding line adams -- items 3a-d.

>> good evening once again. i have a couple of comments to make. when you are discussing a homicide -- the homicide law, i do not see a mention of aggravated assault. is that part of the statistics or part of that department of justice that the statistics are excluded? where they not mentioned as part of being violent crime and where is the number? specifically. secondly, i see no comparisons with san mateo county and i read the newspaper out there when i get up there. their crime has not been leveled off, in some parts is out. it -- is that something and

jason because people are leaving? i saw some numbers like 12,000 a month. san mateo county pose a crime is not necessarily going down. last is this. i brought those magazines up from city college because i have been there as a student. i have completed their database program. by bringing in someone from oracle, you are getting about your head in this. you can get anything you want from database access out of the box for $495 that will do anything you want. for the police department. all programs are programmable from word, access, excel, explorer, pusher, and i know of

no system connected with oracle that does not have an open- ended cost to it that gives crimes and even mr. alisyn understands 75% of oracle is accessed out of microsoft. is open-ended which means open- ended cost wise. you're never going to know what the hell is going on when you have enterprise software from oracle. no, engineer knows absolutely what is going on at oracle. i have taken or " courses and access the database that had for two years. no one knows what the hell is going on at any given time. the federal government repudiated $240 million worth of oracle contracts because five years later, they did not know what the hell was going on. after they paid an amount of dollars. you should look at that right now. i am not making a joke out of it, i am very serious.

you can program any officer, police officer in city college on a program and they will know 60% to 70% of what their job is on the microsoft database. i appreciate your time. president mazzucco: any further public comment? hearing none, public comment is now closed. next item. >> discussion and possible action regarding proposed amendment of the san francisco police commission rules of order to modify the commission's regular meeting schedule and to make non substantial of clean-up changes -- none substantive clinic changes. president mazzucco: there is a conversation about the cost of our meetings. with our the liaison to the community where the community has a chance to see as and expressed their concerns. it is costly to have these

meetings and there are times when there is a lull and things we have to discuss. there is some good discussion about reducing the number of meetings because it is expensive for personnel. the police commission staff and the officers, security, everything. we basically have -- we need everyone today. the goal is to have the last wednesday in the month which is something we will never abandon but some months have five wednesdays and some have four. the remaining months have four wednesdays. we substitute meetings in december with a medal of valor ceremony. we have done that alternatively in other months so there is time we do different types of meetings. we also spent time in the community. we're out there doing press conference with the chief -- press conferences with the chief. we're meeting with groups

regarding their concerns whether it is an immigrant rights or juvenile rights. we spend a lot of time doing what we do. the question is, how many meetings to we need to have? commissioner slaughter has proposed an amendment to our rules so we have fewer meetings and i will turn it over to him. >> thank you. commissioner slaughter: we have discussed this on a couple of occasions and we have proposed resolutions which would specify where and when we meet and would change the rules so we would be meeting on the first and third wednesdays here. on the fourth wednesday we would be out in the community having a meeting. i would echo all that commissioner mazzucco just said and what we have talked about earlier. about reasons why i think this

makes sense. i would add one more note about that, which is as a commission and you mentioned it earlier, we had for a long time of very large number of discipline cases we were dealing with, more than 70. it was in the 40's or 50's. not only did that require a lot of time but it requires a substantial amount of time by individual commissioners outside of the commission. we all have worked hard to bring that number down and we now have a disciplinary case load of under 10 which is very manageable. i think it will -- the idea of taking out one meeting a month

will allow us to continue, after this item, they spent a lot of time outside this hearing room working on larger agenda items. i think reducing by one meeting per month will not substantially reduce what we're able to do, what we're able to accomplish here but also enhance it by telling us to get out there and do more of what we need to be doing. that is my suggestion. if you have any questions, happy to do it. i would move that we adopt the changes reflected in this red line that each of you have on your desk. >> thank you for formalizing

this and bringing this to us. i know the topic has come periodically and i appreciate your work on this in getting down to the language in amending our roles. i would agree with you in terms of how you articulated the work of the commission and us as commissioners. at the same time, i would like to -- my concern is going too fast on this. and i would be more conservative rather than changing the rules at this point. and i see that for a couple of reasons. one is we're working off -- this would not only decrease the meetings per year, by the 11 months because we do not need the last month.