deployed in places like boyd of the staff and dolores park are we have had some challenges. we are doing it with band-aids and glue and this particular proposal is a good first that. >> what is the dollar amount on that? >> about $150,000. >> $150,000 for a park patrol? >> yes. >> there are about six of the 18 permanently assigned to candlestick? >> it is centrally works that way. it's a rotation, so they are not permanently assigned to candlestick. all of our officers are expected to protect that asset. >> so that has changed? we were looking to increase that patrol. >> it is a 24-7 coverage

assignments, so it works out. >> it is five, perhaps six, so there was a commitment that 5 or six of those are on a rotation down at candlestick. we change it from a permanent assignment to a rotation, but it is true that five or six of them are of the park's schedule and on to the stadium schedule. >> so at any given time, there are a few of them out at candlestick? >> there are one, if not two, 24-7. only 80 or 19 in general for everything -- that means any given shift throughout the day, evening wore night shift, there is no more than two or possibly three present at any one given time because of the 24-7

commitment. >> the person you are looking to point to this thing, his duties will be management capacity between the staff and you? >> his or her. they will run the scheduling, administrative oversight. all of those oversight and management functions, they will not be out in uniform. that's the problem we are trying to solve. >> that person would oversee the park patrol dispatch unit. >> a very good. thank you. >> that was a good question. as you know, in addition to the base budget submission we have been asked to provide, the mayor's office has also asked the department to submit a contingency budget proposal. approximately $800,000.

at this point, the proposal we would intend to submit to the budget process on tuesday would be proposal to sell to vacant parcels yet to be determined of property. prior to the department being able to sell any property, we would need a vote of the people to approve that sale. >> and there is no determination as to what the parcelled might be? >> the department announced a fair number of parcels that are not particularly useful. for any kind of active recreation, we have a number of steep hillsides, for example, they are not particularly useful in terms of park lands.

if it came to this, we would need to go through a process to clearly identify with the parcels were. >> that would involve work with parks and recreation advisory committee and the charter requires that before that, the city can sell or dispose of, it would require a vote of the people. in a world of bad choices, in terms of the contingency cut, that's the best one we could come up with. >> we are submitting the budget to the mayor's office on tuesday. in the next three months, we have to work with the mayor's budget staff to make any changes, additions, or deletions to the budget. it then the mayor will submit his budget to the board on june the first.

we are scheduled for a hearing at the budget and finance committee i believe on april 11. we will make a presentation to them at that time and after the mayor submits that, the board will hold their annual to hearings on the budget and we will engage with the board of supervisors' budget analyst and the board, the full board will vote on the budget some time in the middle of july. we have a ways to go yet, but very pleased we are almost over the first hurdle. we're glad to answer additional questions. >> when you talk about scholarships, you are not talking about cash scholarships. you are talking about what instead of paying the fee -- the

fee is waived? >> correct. we are operating with a sliding scale. we have people who are paying nothing to use our programming and it slides up to about a 50% payment of fees. the criteria we use would be is your child eligible for a free or reduced lunch in the school district, for example. >> my question has to do with the proposal for cost recovery on recreation programs. i am very hesitant to raise fees on a recreation program. i've talked to a lot of seniors and different groups and people are all struggling right now in this city. the people who use our programs may not all fall into the category of a scholarship, but

what they do pay is a burden to them to enjoy the recreation under taxes, but their taxes fund our department. i think when this discussion comes back to we take a careful look and not forget who uses this department, the people who rely on us, and that we are not going to price people out of this, and weren't privy feel entitled to as taxpayers of the city. >> we feel very sad commentary strongly at staff has are balancing principle states, if there is a fee that somebody can not pay, we would never refuse them access to programming. i think the growth of our

scholarship program over the past several years really does show our commitment to that principle, and we would expect that growth would continue, going forward. from my standpoint, and this is a legitimate policy argument, i believe people who can pay should pay. we are in a time of very limited government resources, as we know. unfortunately, that forces us to a place where we are not able to subsidize our recreational programming at a 100% level. that would be fabulous, but that is not the world we live in. the real issue for us is trying to strike at right balance. we really look forward to having this conversation with you all about what that of corporate

balance would be. commissioner lee: the general managers talked about this, the idea of a set-aside, parcel tax which would help fund our operation, which is what is needed, to keep stable funding and the department. >> absolutely. that would be nirvana for the chief financial officer. commissioner levitan. commissioner levitan: high want to commend you for your work and for the staff people who came up with the idea potentially for us to save with a garbage collection. i know that was an idea thrown out by the general manager a while ago tried to solicit ideas from our staff. those are the books on the front line, our eyes and ears, and we

should be encouraging them to give us ideas. thank you. commissioner buell: commissioner harrison. commissioner harrison: what you gave to us talk about reducing the general fund budget by six full-time employees. in your report, that is not going to happen? >> no, that will not be a part of the budget we submit to the mayor's office. commissioner buell: commissioner molniya -- bonilla. commissioner bonilla: the reductions for 2012-13, 2013- 14, are those hard and fast? could there be some down more upward adjustments in these? i think there is always the

possibility, of course, that there could be new revenues generated. the projections of the city is coming up with all the time he seems to be -- it varies. it is not always set in stone. i wonder what kind of conversations you have had with the mayor's office, in terms of any possible adjustments, a board or downward. >> the numbers for 12-13 are pretty solid. 13-14, much less so. we absolutely will be back here next year and those numbers will likely look different. commissioner bonilla: i would think so. >> one enormous unknown for the mayor's office is labor negotiations. as i think you all know, pretty

much every labor union in the city, i think, except for police and fire, is open for negotiation. certainly, the mayor's office has an expectation and target of reduced salary and fringe benefits that they would get out of those negotiations, concessions from the union. when that will end up being is anyone's guess, at this point. commissioner bonilla: best case scenario, if we are generating these types of revenues, we may have an opportunity to utilize revenues in other areas needed within the department. that we'd be the best case scenario. -- would be the best case scenario. commissioner buell: mr. ginsburg. >>, to continue to send my

thanks to cady, who does such a wonderful job looking at the commission's finances, given the climate. there is a department head meeting going on right now about the city's budget. because you're in this commission meeting presented our budget, they know we are not here. the message the mayor is conveying his although the city it is certainly happy the six- month report indicated positive news, structural challenges certainly remain for the city. it is the mayor's office boss expectation that we continue to manage the budget, which is why it is before you today. for the second year in a row, we will have no layoffs and no program reductions. i think that is a credit to the tough decisions that you as a commission have been making to offset some of the general fund cuts we have had to experience

with earn revenues. so on behalf of not just staff, but those who use our services, think you for your leadership in helping us maintain services. while we are at a moment of certainly less bad news and we have had in the past, it is important to note a big piece of our budget challenge this year was better than expected news out of candlestick. it is important for us to remember, as we look ahead, the department, commission, and city will have to grapple with a very serious hole in this department's budget, if and when the niners stop playing at candlestick. it is something that we have to keep in mind under a two-year budget cycle. potentially, we have to begin the discussion next year.

there will be up and downs and we will continue to keep updated, but we have some good news, we were making the right decision to create programmatic sustainability in our department, but we need for public investment in our parks, and we need to continue to be as efficient as we can and think about ways to support the department through earn revenue strategies. commissioner buell: commissioner harrison. commissioner harrison: by way of an explanation for my concern, i think we should be cautious and controlled on any hiring of new staff, at the same time, having our staff several furlough days, non-paid work time. these are things we have to keep in mind when doing any future hiring of staff.

commissioner buell: commissioner bonilla. commissioner bonilla: for all of us who manage budgets, and we are always looking at cost savings, looking and generating new in come to operate our programs, think it should always be said and done. even if we have a balanced budget before us, and we are not going to be experiencing any cuts in salaries, so on, we should always continue to look at efficiencies. everything that we do, i think, we should always look at, -- any

program we operate, whether it is being operated efficiently or not. efficiencies will always go a long way to put us in a situation where we are not constantly depending on generating revenue. i just want to keep at the forefront, that we always need to continue to do work on efficiencies, in terms of operating our programs. >> we do have public comment. matt o'grady. >> good morning, commissioners. executive director of the park's

alliance. with all due respect to phil and katie and the fine would have done in presenting the budget to you, especially with a creative approach they have taken to minimize the pain and service reductions that would be associated, san francisco parks alliances opposed to making any cuts to the general fund allocation to the rec and parks department in the first place. here is why. you all know that over the last six years, allocation to the rec and parks department from the city general fund has been cut by 26%. it now makes up less than 2% of the total general fund for the city. over the same six years, that has grown by 22%. the result of that has -- we are digging ourselves into a whole. the analysis recently published in the report identified the recreation and parks department

is now running a product offering deficit of about $35 million a year in order to sustain the care that we need an. new data we have to present to you is, in a recently completed a report with the parks alliance, we learned 91% of likely voters in san francisco strongly believe the parks are very important to their quality of life in san francisco. we also learned 80% of voters want to see the city put more resources into our parks systems, not less. further cuts to the recreation and parks department budget are running against the will of the voters. for six years and beyond, we have been digging ourselves into

a $30 million-plus whole. the first thing you do when you find yourself in a whole is to stop digging. we believe the city should cease its cuts to the general fund allocation to the recreation and parks department. thank you. >> is there anyone else who would like to make public comment? >> good afternoon, commissioners. dwindling members of the public. i hope you appreciate you are preaching to an empty audience here. i have been coming to recreation and park commission meetings for over 20 years. prior to your political occupation of this city, they were always packed, always a good place to be. right now, listening to katie

petrucione, it is like listening to bernie madoff making a plea to shareholders. it is a disgusting. the way she talks with her squeaky little voice, talking about all the stuff-- commissioner buell: if you cannot be applied in your presentation is not appreciated. >> horse stalls generating $50 a month and you are telling you are doing everything to save the parks? you are just like the captain of that ship. the ship is grounded. it is going under and you are having lunch. wake up. get into reality. you cannot continue this method of politics of ignoring san francisco's culture, recreational activities, going

on with your political act like nothing has happened. do not buy anything in san francisco, do not visit san francisco. do not set foot in san francisco, because it has a career of the government. it is a great place to bring your wife for her birthday if she wants to get shot in the face. it is a great place to get your family murdered if you want to drive around the city, but you cannot touch a horse unless you go to the zoo. and you cannot even touch them. how long do you think you can go on with this type of ruining our recreation and parks to permit and pulling the people? bernie madoff got caught. it is only a matter of time. thank you very much. >> is there anyone else who like closed. commissioner buell: this matter

is now in the hands of the commission. can i entertain a motion? moved and seconded. all those in favor? hearing none, it is unanimous. >> for the record, katie, we love your voice. >> i will work on dropping my register. >> we are now on item 11, and general public comment. is there anyone who would like to comment that did not comment earlier? being none, public comment is closed. item 12. commissioner's matters. commissioner buell: commissioners do not matter. >> any public comment? being none, public comment is closed. item 13 is new business agenda study. any public comment? commissioners? 14 is communications. is there any public comment? being none, public comment is closed. 15 is adjournment.

commissioner buell: commissioner lee, commissioner lee: i wanted to adjourn this meeting in memory of may louis, a longtime patron, a supporter of the community. you can read her obituary in "the chronicle." over 50 years of support. she was very helpful with the portsmouth gracia, donating to -- garage, donating to athletics around the city, especially in chinatown, the rebuilding of the chinatown recreation center, which is under way as we speak, --

unfortunately she will not be here to see the opening. i just wanted to adjourn in her memory. we are very grateful for the years of service that she has provided this community. commissioner buell: let the record so reflect. second to that motion? moved and seconded. unanimous.

>> he has a way about him that brings people in and seeks to involve the people of san francisco. that is what we need. the polarization and san francisco does not benefit the people we are about to help. they need compassion, support, and they need us to work together to build a system o and employment and drug treatment and family building and all of those services that will enable us not to pay so much money on the back end. what you are doing is spectacular. i am humbled to be with you. i am excited the mayor has me this opportunity to work with great people to do this work. believe me, the best is yet to comment. thank you so much. [applause] >> this is only his third day on the job. thank you for coming out.

it is exciting to live in a cityç really believe in changig chrysostom of care with homelessness. -- changing the system of care with homelessness. we admire and respect and are so excited to have them here. it makes our day when we start the day with them. thank you, mayor lee. [applause] >> good morning, everyone. she wanted to introduce people who are above her. we are never above her, we are with her. [applause] anytime we can have a thousand volunteers and over 300 providers to help us withç

helping others who need our help, that is what san francisco is about. yesterday, were you there at city hall? how many people were there at city hall to celebrate 50 years of tony bennett? you saw it on the news. you've heard about him being there. we gave them the proclamation, the key to the city. what i was thinking about all day long was how wonderful our city is. the fact that tony bennett has sung about our city, and i just kept thinking, why do we do this? why did you come out so much? you'll love this city as much as i do. çpeople of all levels, whether

you are working for a great institution or you are working with a different company or you were just a volunteer and someone who cares about somebody else, you do what you can. when we can organize and city government to provide that to opportunity, and whether it is a haircut, how can we provide training, how can we get you some eyeglasses, how can we set you up on e-mail -- q different parts of life we live normally may not be available to everybody, but you are here to make that available. when i think about the otani bennett is singing to, i think about you. -- when i think about who tony bennett is singing to, i think about you. it is a city of