compatible uses him in close proximity to each other and finding other ways to accommodate the incompatible. housing and entertainment are not compatible uses. in our first year, we adopted a set of planning to the guard the work. the controversial law was land use development primarily serving the needs of existing residents and businesses. city-wide and regional needs are subordinate to the existing local needs. that is what the entertainment and zoning recommendations -- [chime] it goes on to make things better. thank you. >>commissioners, i would like

to thank you for an amazing effort because it was a lot of work. i think it is a pretty great plan considering that i do think it is not too late to look at a few elements that are not in this plan that would hopefully make it a much better plan. i would like to address the fact that entertainment and news are important, an important element in the fabric of our city. they are important for the tourism industry and for youth. they are generators of tax revenues and they are also great generators of entry-level jobs. i first moved to south ofarket in 1974. i lived on the corner of eighth and howard from 1974 to 1990.

right across the street from a sort of a disco and an interesting car on the corner of eighth and howard. a lot of these places are problematic today because they do leaked noise. and the sound systems are much stronger and much more powerful. specifically, the rawhide on seventh street, the former space that is just a tin shed next to what was a gas station and became a swimming pool. a lot of the venues need to be rebuilt. i would like to see the plan changed to allow a sunset on these entertainment and non- conforming uses. and also allow them to be torn down and rebuilt. given the fact ti that they weren sheds, -- were tin sheds --given the fact that they were

tin sheds, i would like to see something in the plan to allow that. once they are gone, if you don't allow this, if you look now, paradise loue is dark, there are a lot of dark avenues south of market and we would like to see these rebuilt. >> i am a member of the taskforce. i would like to immediately respond to -- i believe that we have put in a thing where essentially, what happened was the guy from rawhide came and

said that we would like to build something new here. but we would like to put entertainment in the bottom. right now, we can't do that. once we tear it down, it goes away. i believe we put in a plan that we will allow, if they care this down and rebuilt, it can still be an entertainment use. my basic thing is that we really have talked about entertainment allot, and maybe some people have gotten a little bit frustrated because we have been doing this for six years and we talked about it, the 66 meetings and had discussions about entertainment in them. at the same time, i think that it is important that we actually, for the people that came later, they should get their say, too.

at the same time, hopefully make big changes to this, we will have to do a supplemental eir. as it is, it is an improvement. if you go south of harrison street, you can build entertainment there. we do loosen it up a bit. i think there is a the thing where if they want to tear it down and rebuild its or build something on top of it and have entertainment on the ground floor, they don't lose their entertainment permit. it is hard to keep track of this thing. essentially, personally, we have talked about it a lot.

that is its. >>me is dennis suarez. i sat on the task force, so aurochs can be thrown at me. -- all rocks can be throwna me. it is an excuse now and i believe they can remain excuse. i would like to echo shot about the planni my one regret on the task force is that i did not fight hard enough for some of the biggest employer that was concerning the development and more stringent rules and regulations.

some of it made it, some of it didn't. i would love to hear, for example, across from slim's, there is a big purple building. even if it wasn'tthere, with 24 units were there that weren't built correctly, they would still have problems. there would be problems for sure, so what ever we can do and have smarter planning, smarter definitely try.hould i am sure we'll be talking about that tomorrow. >> hello, commissioners, i represent the task force. i have had the honor of

learning a tremendous amount on the background of the neighborhood and what has gone on in city planning. i believe most of us are satisfied with the plan. we're trying to have a few of the problems go ironed out. when it came to the issue of entertainment, i believe we reached an impasse where it was recommended that if there were any concerns around eleventh street, to approach them with the entertainment commission. this is the appropriate body as far as i was informed, as we had not been able to come up with a consensus about the best solutions to reach, specifically in regards to the eir. hearing that it means we can't discuss them further would be contrary to the discussions that happened previously at the taskforce level. eleventh street is the hub of entertainment in the

neighborhood and i don't believe it goes far enough to protect or acknowledge the usages that were there. the live performance permit, we have many restrictions that still remain in the plan concerning a permit that has been struck. i am hoping they will adopt the citywide implementation of the limits of live performance plan. i am looking forward to further discussions on this. i believe that we will be able to come up with the best solutions there. i would like to see the western plan continue, and i hope that the neighbors come back to the table. we will come up with the best solutions and hopefully everybody will be happy moving forward. it is extremely restrictive and we are trying to undo the damage at that point. there are things far beyond entertainment that are restricting housing that is

necessary for jobs producing sinesses. there is a lot more going on for this issue. >> are there any further speakers on this issue? i will wait a few minutes to see if anyone is sitting in room 421 that will want to speak to this issue. seeing no further public comment, public comment is closed. i would like to ask supervisor tan. supervisor tan, listen to me. commissioner tan, i know you have done some research. >> what concerns me is that everyone walks away feeling satisfied with outcomes and in this scenario, there are still grievances that are out there. i am looking forward to the subcommittee because i think it lets us investigate this

further. i don't want to disrespect the years that have gone into this. planning is tough, you're talking about housing, entertainment, industry, transportation, and all of these competing -- competing interests. i am new to the commission, but not a planning. there are things we can agree on, wanting to sustain housing and support the growth of affordable housing. how that conflicts with entertainment i am not totally sure, i think there is a way that housing can live side by side with entertainment. i am looking forward to the subcommittee, we have maps here now that i am not sure how well equipped everyone was with the understanding that on this particular commission, but i am happy to lend my expertise and knowledge to the rest of the commission. >> are there any other comments

on this? >> i have a quick one. i was at the meeting for the first time. as a club owner, obviously, we're far away from it. i have a pizza place for four years,so i am very familiar with the neighborhood and i am familiar with a lot of my people on the street. in my district, close to the middle, we have a lot of new projects. and the task force has done a great job and they are really close. ithink eyeed alittle bit more tweaking, i think you guys ve to released tethe once it leaves here, it will go to another department and it will only another thing. i am hoping with the subcommittee and with more input, maybe a more detailed

look, to really see if the existing businesses can survive. existing businesses can work with new people coming in. they need the new people coming in. they don't want them to be on pins and needles either. >> anybody else? just one comment for the gentleman that wanted to know how we would notify people. this commission has a process on how it goes to meetings, and the process will be continued. if you would like a personal e- mail, please feel free to contact the commissioners secretary. she will add you to the list. he will get a notice of any meeting whether it is this commission or any subcommittee of this commission. we look forward to you attending and voicing your opinions.

we will go on with our agenda. the next item is public comment, the chance for the public to get an opportunity to address the commission on items not on the agenda. >> i live in south of market. i just want to relate a story. say a big family gets together to plan a holiday dinner, and have to make sure there is something for everyone. the family member suggested we add horseradish to every single dish. we should not put crazy horse radish on everything. now when the family goes to sleep at night, she gets up and decides that she doesn't really care what they think. i will put it on every meal in the refrigerator.

i think there is a metaphor there. e-mail is not something that everyone necessarily has. mailings are really needed. >> i am here for some residents of the pool street neighborhood commercial district which is a residential and commercial district. >> is this having to do with an item on the agenda? excuse me. >> this is what they are listening to every weekend nigh sometimes thursday nights. this was recorded from the bedroom window by the seco floor ofatter that ha lived there for 29 years. i would urge you to listen to

the planning commission general comment from november 3. you will hear him and his tenant and me describing what it is like a bear. this is because in this district that is supposed to be retail for the residential district and restaurants and retail stores, they have been allowed to turn into bars and venues for entertainment. even places permitted by the city. this is the result. he if he would listen to that, there would be a lot more of its. on this particular block, this is the 1200 block. you have jurisdiction over at least two places.

we're working now with the city attorney, mothers against drunk driving,tryi to shut down the places that are a public nuisance. on this particular block, it is permitted as a restaurant by the city. the conditional use authorizes them to have a piano bar for diners. but thereis a dance floor. a dance floor? there is nothing here that says they can dance. the result is that is on level. who and i live one block over and n't walk down that street in order to get home from the movies before midnight. people are moving out of the building where he has been the resident manager. the reason he is not here is that while he was waiting for

you on the other agencies to take action, he had a heart attack and sevel small strokes. across the street is the senior housing with 72 units of elders the wake up in the middle of the night to the sound and they can never get back to sleep. people with heart conditions and horrible pain. suffer understands how much they [chime] >> thank you very much. >> i heard your comments about the possibility of entertainment and residential coexisting simultaneously. it is not possible. i know you are young, naive, optimistic and hopeful. good for you, but good luck. i am glad you are a commissioner, and

[unintelligible] he almost made it on to this commission. it startled me and disturbed me. finally, i have a question for the woman who is the staff person. what is the process for filing a formal complaint against people like mr. isher? thank you. >> thank you. any further public comment? >> eric mar, the supervisor for the richmond district. i am tiedp wi the appeal of america's cup so i have been coming back and forth. but welcome new commissioners. i want to thank you for the process listening to the

business owners and residents. i appreciate the thoughtful discussions and i hope that hy commissionersde and -- commissioners hyde and lee -- i want to thank the of the search for his work and the police advisory board. including the bar owners that are across the street from the jack in the box in question later on the agenda. my goals have been to create a stronger community safety plan the advisory board has been useful. the police department staff has been wonderful. i am strongly supportive of my neighborhood and my residence calling for you to really consider their voices and tonot allow the jack in the box to continue between 2:00 and 4:00 a.m..

i will stand with my neighborhood this day, please don't let them operate between 2:00 and 4:00 a.m.. i will of knowledge that in the time the issue has come up since e thanksgiving violence and other issues, many of our residents have raise their voice, but it is a historic issue that has occurred around e jack in the box for decades where many residents are very frustrated about not only the noise, but also the cleanliness and othe ises. but i appreciate mr. con and bathi and theirefforts to listen to the residents to create a stronger safety plan. i know that the former captain has given his recommendation that you have accepted and i think he has also accepted. i also read into the record to

increase security protection fo the business at ck in the box. also that there be a second security guard on fridays and saturdays to better control the parking lot. and also that shift managers also participate with the securi. i believe it was a police recommendation to let customers know the parking lot is off- limits to loitering. the last things really important -- it limits the noise of many of the residents directly around the jack in the box. lighting and monitoring them

better, in the facility, it was a key recommendation from the police station as well. some of the bar owners and a motel owners, the police advisory board to pull the jack in the box accountable and create -- and support the neighbor's recommendation to keep it closed between 2:00 at 4:00 a.m.. thank you so much sheer joseph and commissioners. >> this is the section on general public comment, items not on the agenda. any further public comment? public comment is closed. the next item on the agenda, review and approval of the minutes.

ok. i'd like to -- is ther epublie c comment on minutes? i would like to motion to continue the minute since we don't have a quorum to vote on them. movedan second. can we do roll call? commissioner tan: aye. president newlin: -- commissioner perez: aye. commissioner lee: aye. commissioner cavellini: aye. commissioner joseph: aye. next item is item number four, report from the executive director. >> i will be quick because i

know there is a lot of stuff still on the agenda. since i didn't get a chance last meeting, i am far behind on these reports. quickly, as you know and as you can tell, the appointments as of thursdya, the -- thursday, the enterinment commissionis fully staffed, sworn, and seated. this is commissioner lee's first meeting. i want to welcome him to the commission. hopefully we will cease the urnove i want to update you on the study of san francisco night life supervisor wiener asked a study be done to measure the

economic value of the night life industry. it looks at the vendor and consumer side. the consumer interviews were completed at the tail end of last year, the venue surveys are still being collected. staff is assisting in making sure the quantity and representation of all kinds of nighttime businesses are surveyed and the comptroller has indicated the results show the complete and ready for distribution by march of this year. super wi buzzerener -- supervisor wiener will be announcing the results in april. i included a listing regarding the update on the fiscal year 12-13 budget plan. however, the meeting of the general services administration and thecoissionisart of keep getting continued and

hopefully by the next meeting, we have been able to meet with the city administrator which is also a new position. and remind you of those from e may's office a how we plan to meet those in the next budget year. also, i wanted to remind all e commissioners, almost all of whom i got responses from, we'll be doing the first quarter retreat. we're preparing it as a review for the current mission. the processes we use and where to go in the future. this is a retreat for the new commissioners, but it's helpful

to have everyone get together and discuss how we do things. schedules we are scheduled for saturday, february 18, and from 9:00 a.m. until 1:00 p.m. at the plaza. there will be of published agenda. it is a meeting but will be open to the public. we will be notifying a least 16 days in advance, but here is an additional motives for all of you to take out your blackberries and put the date in. i hope to see you there during your -- to see you there. >> we still have a lot of items

on the agenda, so i will be quick. you will see in your binder: points for my report from last meeting. you will see there was a very high number of violations from new year's and so forth. it was a busy few weeks. it is important to highlight some very minor things. overall, new year's went very well this year. i know it is clear to talk about that. -- is geared to talk about that. new year's with very well. i was able to work mission, north beach, a i was great