constantly thwarted. i think that a compromise can be reached. i think they're almost there. they have offered many different compromised solutions including installing double-paned windows at one neighbor's house. so here we have -- this is chris lamotte, one of the owners, and adam croyle who is owners, and joe -- one of the [inaudible snsm [inaudible] >> didouworkon the patio issue? >> are you done with your presentation? >> i am. >> have youseeneolice conditions? >> yes, the police conditions, they started out being one set of conditions which said that it was all right that they used the patio until midnight and

then a few days later revised that to 10:00 p.m. which is somewhat unusual, usually. when i got the second email saying that it was reduced to 10:00 p.m., the email said something like since we didn't hear from you but it was never made clear to us we were supposed to respond to the first set of conditions. so -- >> how do you feel about -- the conditions i have in front of me are 11 conditions. >> right. >> are you ok with all 11of them. >> yes. the only one that's a problem is condition number nine. >> the back patio is closed or is it that an awning is to be put in place? >> i don't under the awning. >> if you'd like, i can address that. isermit doesnot cove your

back patio. >> no, that's not what we're trying -- exactly. >> we dot ve tre that. >> our permit says when entertainment is present you wiows closed youroo so if you're not having our ie to tell you what to i do with your back patio. other department. msion >> right. >> we can't adjudicate on that. t will tell you at you have your -- when you have entertainment,ou must close those doors. and if that's your only smoking area and someone door and it emits sound, you have to trap. some kind so i see you have a blue curtain, is that a sound curtain or just >>o, iieavier curtain we have installed over the back doors, and then we also have a ta te ove --

>> microphone. >> we actually have an awning that actually covers the entire back patio to try and limit the amount of noise that escapes straight up into the air, and we also have put signs out there to sfruct our patrons to be respectful of our neighbors. >> do you ve umbe out there monitoring people? >> yes, we make frequent checks of the back patio on a regular basis. >> just remember, we come the -- we do not her permit you to have the door open. >> the door is always closed. >> commissioners, questions for this applicant? >> i just have a real quick question, looking at these pictures, one door has an automatic door closer? >> yes. >> is it possible to close automatic door closures on both doors? >> that would be no problem. >> the other door is usually closed. it does remain closed? >> yes. >> commissioner newlin.

>> i stop by there to take a quick look because of these entertainment light permits we'll see a lot of patio -- >> this is not a light entertainment -- >> even though it's not one i just want for my own reference. the sound curtains you have, i think you can use another layer. that would help. even though we don't have jurisdiction when people go outside, the thing is going to go out. so they still have to do their sound check, obviously. him and, you know, live music and deejays or whatever, it's pretty loud. it's my only suggestion. >> that would be no problem. >> commissioner perez? >> hi. how did you obtain these signatures? did you have an outreach campaign? >> yes, we actually did an outreach, and there was an inner sun set fair and we went out in the community and contacted some of our neighbors

and asked them. >> how did you do that, mailing or door to door? >> it was basically we were walking around the neighborhood shaking hands and introducing ourselves, handing out our business cards and letting them know what we were trying to do. >> that's how you got all this? >> yes, sir. >> anybody else? >> it says here you have four speakers but you only use two. can you -- i have a little map here. which speakers are the ones that use affirm find sounds? >> just the front two. >> not the back two? >> that's where the live music is contained up into the front of the building, not towards the back. >> thanks. >> ok. why don't you have a seat. i optoblicco blackthorn, 834 irving street.

>> hello, good evening. my name is mohammed ami i live in this area like over 25 years in the area and i know the blackthorn bar was only acoustic bar, family bar because they have a family area. i live in the area, i have family, and my house, very important, very exposed to the -- exposed to the -- if i can show you a picture here, it's exposed to the -- this is my back yard here and that's blackthorn in the back. and very obviously i hear things, for smoking.

i've been called like noise problem. i have a dog problem out there and get the health department about the dogs but i have a picture of the barbecue that was dumped there. i have a tv, and the exit door that's the fire exit, maybe a customer, there's some problem with go through the exit but there are tv's out there for -- they have beer and wine. i can see from my window, my children, i can see the beer and wine and i see everybody was drinking, even i have -- i cannot move right now, i see people underage that go in the back yard, no control, no camera and no secure, nothing. i know that's out of the entertainment, but whoever own the place, he own it like a

sports bar and they have all this with tv inside and two tv outside in the back yard. how much crowded we have. how much crowded. if i have a picture here, i have a barbecue here picture. if you can see it. >> it's not working. >> not working? >> not working. nope. >> here somebody can help me, please. >> it's not working. >> this is a barbecue area here. this only a picture here how people in the street, see from the street out there, that is entertainment. we have a crowd. my kids cannot go to the school, to the bus, we have to cross the street and we have no

light in this area down there that can pass the street. down there is smoking. my house down there. i don't know how -- there's not too many people -- >> thank you, sir. >> i have one more picture. >> your time is over. we have a commissioner that your cment te ove question but we give everybody the same amount of time. informatioer perez, point of >> sir, thank you so much for coming today. >> this picture here, please. >> isst wondering, did the club owner or the operator contact yout allri thei -- they said they did community outreach. did they contact you? >> never contacted me. the beginning of the thing i see the tv, i was back in the door and one of them, i be in my fence because they scare me.

and after that his partner come to my door and i invite him in the house and tell him what's going on, what's going on, you know? is that tv? i have my kids -- >> they did not contact you is the answer? >> 20 of -- [inaudible] >> thank you. your time is up. next speaker, please. >> my name is prince buchi. i live very close to blackthorn. actually, i live on the second floor and my window is just, you look up -- [inaudible] to the point when we get to bed, we cannot sleep until blackthorn closes. you cannot do anything

meaningful in your house. my daughter come up to study. i can't -- the noise goes so much that you cannot communicate. we have mortgaged our life to this business. we need help. i need to finish what i'm doing, need sleep, i have to go to work tomorrow. i am not against the business. i'm against the level of noise emitting from this business. i'm against coming out in the morning -- [inaudible] >> because when they get drunk they don't care what they're doing. i'm against coming out and seeing broken bottles, broken glasses lying around. i'm against coming out and seeing people coming home -- you can't invite -- just like next door the crowd be so much out there sometimes, you be

begging to enter your apartment. if there happen to be -- [inaudible] forget it, we can't sleep. any celebrations, parties there -- [inaudible] the noise will be so muchthat you just be frustrated, put it that way. i am opposing this permit for music. i am oposing it because it is a health concern for myself. we're human beings. we're individuals. they can do this without making this noise, celebrating, you e in your house 11:00, you be hearing nois everywhere. no. this is not proper. it is not right. it is on is si we are opposing this license. we don't have nothing against the business but because we have to have to restbecause

this is the place we live and we deserve that right as a human being to have peace of mind when you get home. i don't want to waste your time but make a point. this is our point. we can no more bear it. please, we need help. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >>i, my name -- [inaudle] i live next door to the bar and the people go outside and drinking and smoking in front of our place and i have three children that go to school and like tocomeack to study, noise all the time, lots of bad words we hear and he people in the streets next to our home, very bad, they drink and smoke an very -- we cannot handle all this kind of stuff. if we put musictoo, my kids

cannot study, they cannot sleep. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> first of all, thankyou for your time tonight. commissioner perez, good to see you again. a few things. i've worked at a lot of bars across all this town. i'm benjamin reuben. a lot of barsall across the town for several years. there's been very few owners that i've worked wit thato diligently really cared about what the neighborhood said as chris and veand joe in his position as a manager. they take all of these things that thesepeople are saying completely seriously and have been very proactive. i've seen that bar in the last 2 1/2 years i've been going there, and very recently working there, helping em out, undergo a transformation. and i empaize or nyone that

moves next door or upstairs to a bar. however, when the nine win a playoff game, it's going to be extremely loud. i doubt there was very few places in town tt y that weren't ridiculously loud. so when we win a game, when the home team does well, unfortunately we can't tell people not to root for the home team. as far as drinkiswearing, cursing, what they do in the neighborhood out front, whether it be 10 feet or5 eet,e all take a vested interest, if we see anything we act immediately. and we, in my experience besides myself i've seen everyone always act in the best interest the neighborhood. they try to defuse thinand make things quiet, not worse, not escalate things. i've seen almost no violence and no ill will while i've been there from the patron it's not violent bar, it's not a crazy bar. maybe people get loud over sports, ey cheer. the tv, there's only one tv in

the back. it usuallydoes not play sound and when i've worked the doors to the back have never been kept open. so yeah,that's about all i have to say and thanks for your time. >> i have one question s is there a tv on the back patio? >> there is one and 99.9% of the time remains in a cover. it is only taken out for very special occasions. >> i just wanted to know if there was one. that's it. >> ok. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker. >> good evening, commissioners, my name is tom bernard. recent transplant of san francisco. this is all new to me. been here about 10 months. but in that time i've been there and i'm nowliving i inner sun set. i have been to the blackthorn and i have seenchris and the whole crew in action. they are very responsible.

ey work ha to kee and maintain control of the crowd. they usually even don't have issues with the crowd at all but >> very conscientious in dealing and addressing anything that comes up. and as or the music, you know, the one thing that i've seen, now, i don't have a history with them because i ven't been here but i've only heard from a lot of people about the transformation in the bar, what they're doing, how proactive they are in trying to meet what the community needs and doing outreach. they offer different things and different activities on different nights so they're getting different amount of people in, different type o people in, trivia night, and i think the expansion into music and entertainment is a key component that will not only make them successful but think they will continue to be the type of owners that, you know, san francisco would be proud of. being a newresident i the area, all i can say is that when i take a look, san

francisco is now my favorite home. i've lived in a lot of different places, atlanta, los angeles, but i will tell youtt ei establishment and how they operate is probably one of the best bars, one of the best areas i've seen, and i'm just here supporting them because i know that they will do right, if there issues anybody needs to address, they will work to address those issues. but i fullysuor the and know that they will treat the community well and know that they are trying to be a part of this community in a positive way. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hello, my name is larry damon. i'm very active in the pool shooting community all over san francisco here. and since the new ownership at the black thorn took over, they've been very supportive with us, anything we've needed like you've been hearing tonight, the transformationas been great. i've lived in the inner sun set since 2008 and i started going

to the blackthorn when the new ownership took over. i went there a couple times before andit'sreally been impressive, like they have put a lot of money into just every time i go in there, once a week it seems, there's always something new like they got all new stools, it's always improving. and the owners are great. one other thing is the tv on the tio, the first speaker said was a fire hazard, it's mounted up high. i don't see how that couldbe any kind of hazard thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good evening. my name is courtney james. i myself am a new transplant to san francisco and to the sun set as well. and have recently started patronizing the blackthorn.

i myself am a former restaurant manager and have worked in the food service industry for a number of years. and know good management and bad management when i see it. they have been nothing but proactive. i was incredibly impressed when i met joe and i spoke with them about what they were trying to do to get theirlicense back, be able to have this permit. they not only make sure that they are doing policing of the patrons themselves, but we have actually come to be so concerned about them getting this back that we self-police while we're back there. weear anybody swearing loudly or doing anything inappropriate we will tell them as patrons not to do those kind of things because we even have that much respect for what they're trying to do because they care that much about their community and being respectful to the people around them. like i said, i've been nothing but impressed. as far as anybody going outside and urinating or breaking bottles, i have never, ever once witnessed anything of such

nare. nothing leaves the building. there is no glass that walks out front. like i said, they've done nothing but try to be as proactive and polite as their community as possible. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> good evening, commissioners. this is really hard for me because i have horrible stage fright so forgive me. >> just think that you're in your living room and we're just hanging out and we're family. it's all cool. >> that's even more stressful. >> it's all good. >> my name is ken -- [inaudible] local resident of the inner sun set and employee of the japanese restaurant around the corner from blackthorn restaurant on 9th and irving. i've been here seven years in san francisco. by far my favorite neighborhood i've lived in has been the inner sun set and the main, big reason why is the blackthorn

tavern. i've come to conside joe, chris, adam, unfortunately dave is not here tonight, to be really good friend of mine and not just because we hang out at a bar, but the way they carry themselves, i'm shaking right now, trembling. >> it's ok. really, it is. him >> i need a drink. i apologize. [laughter] anyways, having an entertainment license for them, to have live music, in my opinion would not only help the bar, i think it's going to help the neighborhood. i know when i work, i speak highly of the blackthorn tavern, not just blackthorn but all the merchants in the neighborhood and blackthorn is the only bar, only establishment in the city that

has -- they used to have live music, they have karaoke which i'm sure this gentleman will tell you about, trivia monday nights. i want to bat for my friend -- [inaudible] get it out, get it out. like i said, especially having live music in the blackthorn i think would be tremendous for the community, the neighborhood, not just for the blackthorn but other businesses in the neighborhood. thank you. >> thank you. you did very well. [applause] >> next speaker, please. >> i just wanted to say, ken, sorry i made you go first. >> is that the total of your comment? >> no. my name is ken ith hill faith

jr., i'm a karaoke host. someeoplein the neighboood know me as j.k.keo. i'm here to talk about blackthorn and acknowledge that blackthorn throughout the many years i've been hosting karae witnessing the staff and how they handle their conduct with their customers and how they professional maintain a safe and healthy environment, blackthorn is a place where you would go. i've been with them for about a year hosting karaokes on their tuesdays. the bar staff is very professional about maintaining a clean, safe environment. e taff usually holds about two people, i see what joe, thear mager, he's always there and maintaining the peace, the quiet -- peace

quiet, but -- i feel like him right now. i've never worked with a staff as wonderful, as family oriented ands neighborhood friendly in my entire career as a k.j. and that's alli need to say. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. the hour is getting late. let's go, folks. >> hello, commissioners, my name is henry granato, try to keep it as short as possible. >> we appreciate that. >>o iused to work in a club promotions, i've seen good to d to absolutely worse. and i rarely go out. i used to work in clubs with my

friend and whatnot and elp promote their events and whatnot, so i one time getting off of work, a very stressful day and am actually going to be late now but what is it, i decided to come to the blackthorn one time and i met the staff over there, particularly bartender in the back over there, his name is tommy, and very friendly environment, the whole entire -- the whole time, ever since then i've been coming back there and actually real quick, i did go there prior to the ownehip out ayear ana half or two years prior, and i would say it wasn't a very happy environment. i felt hostile, i just had to leave. so i've been ominghere about a year now i have -- and have

seen nothing but great staff, great energy, positive vibe, and positive not just to their own needs or anything, but to the community. they try to sponsor events. i actually played on their softball team and tried to do as much asi can, just have fun there. it does get loud from time to time. and someing likeat, it ynigh happens. so keep it short, i just want to say that environment reminds me ofcheers. that's my cheers. we want to try and keep the environment hopefully with live music and with respect totheir neigors which we've personally seen multiple times and their attempts to do whatever they can. ve tt pe o capability, e hem

to have live music with, of course constraints that are put under them. >> thank you. all right. i want to ask how many more people want to speak for blackthorn, please raise your hand. promise not to repeat what anyone said before you? all right. come on up. next speaker. >> hello, y name is brenna and am a patron of the bar and i live one block away. i want to say that i have seen people pee in front of my house. it happens. it is not solely the blackthorn. it is a combination of bars in the neighborhood. that's what happens when you live in a popular neighborhood. we're not here to talk about people urinating in public. we're not here to talk about broken glass. we're here to talk about the sound. i went to the lackthorn once prior before the new ownership and it was loud and it was dirty. since the newownership, the interior has been cleaned up,

the deejay booth in the back has been removed. there is no nor deejay booth. they don't use the back speakers, they only use the front speakers, they have shut down the patio. i'm there frequently. joe has come in and brenna, i love you but you're a little loud, you know. do come out and police the back patio. i'll tell people quiet down, too, as other people have said we want to keep this bar going and we love the way it's going, so we try to police each other. and the tv outside does not make any sound neither do the tv's inside unless there is a game on. i guess that's it. >> thank you. >> my name is back popadashia and am here as a patron of the bar and student of san francisco state. i go thereafter midnight to