also we want to promote bollywood music in san francisco. there's no venue that currently promotes these kind of minority groups. we want to promote that to our club. so we're hoping that the city really gives us more encouragement and support us in this business. thank you. supervisor wiener: thank you. next speaker. >> lynn that chapman from -- linda chapman from nob hill which is not mention that is a major center of entertainment and i am a native, lived here in the 1960's. it was lovely. i lived for about 20 years in the theater district, and i loved it. it was a pleasure to here the music from the gold dust or biscuits and blues, but that is

because there were not in a residential area, you see. and much of nob hill is a dense residential area. i am going to try to play something so that you will hear what it sounds like in the dense residential area. but anyway, pulled streak -- pulled street is the residential neighborhood district, and parts of it is now unlivable. there is a senior housing building there. unfortunately this is not playing for some reason. it did earlier. the resident manager of the building across the street, where residents have been there 20, 30, 40 years, and many are older and have heart conditions and other conditions, they cannot sleep. from 10:30 p.m., sometimes until 3:30 a.m. that was like last weekend. from 11:30 p.m. to 2:30 a.m., it

is like a wall of sound. i am sorry, i cannot fix it. now they want to turn this into a big rock venue in masonic. there is very poor public transportation up there at night. all of these young people drinking, because now there is actually a license, which there never was before, a 47-type license. so it is replicating of their but only so far intermittently what has happened down on polk street. thousands of people from out of town come, and they combine hundreds. you cannot walk down the street. the noise is a wall of sound like a football game for hours on end. what are the costs to the city in policing? not that the police can do anything. they say they're so overwhelmed that i do not have the staff.

the injured in the commission has been contacted over and over by the resident manager who reported this. [bell rings] and they have done nothing to enforce it. nobody is enforcing except the fire department sometimes. people are having to move. then the property owner has to give notice to the people who might move in. you know, it is damaging property values. restaurant customers cannot come to these areas anymore. retailers are damaged because these premises move in, not only did the drive up the rent, but they did not bring in customers during the day. and nobody wants to come to the area anymore. [bell rings] i will bring this another time. supervisor wiener: thank you very much. next speaker. also john and steve. >> hello, i am tom murphy, a musician and entrepreneur and co-chair of the recording academy is advocacy committee. i have spent almost three years now working with the entertainment commission and the arts community and venues.

and many people involved in our night life. and i want to thank you for commissioning this study and for the controller's office for giving us a wonderful starting point to have a healthy dialogue. many people have mentioned that this is a complex relationship between businesses and neighbors and a police and artists and technology that requires these different groups to begin to understand each other's position, to try to come to agreement on what is best for the city as a whole, recognizing each individual's goals and objectives and needs, but also recognizing the larger picture. this study begins to touch on what i see as a much larger picture. but there are so many other businesses that are a little bit more difficult to measure that are directly related to music and nightlife that we have

talked a lot about the growing technology sector and midmarket and trying to attract new business and new employees and new ideas. and many times a year there is a conference call sf music tech conference, and it brings thousands of music professionals and entrepreneurs to san francisco to discuss how to revolutionize and adapt to these changes in music and the industry and economics. so many of those companies are headquartered here in san francisco. so this study is a great starting point to recognize that the diverse ramifications that we as a city have taken for granted and recognize on a cultural and subjective level, but now we can begin to talk in more concrete, objective numbers about employees, revenue, taxes, and economy. i want to thank you.

and i look forward to working with everyone else continually on ways to revitalize this industry that we all are very dedicated to. supervisor wiener: thank you very much. mr. wood? >> hello, supervisors could i am john would. i have not been around the nightlife scene as long as mark has, but i have been around for a while, long enough to have been involved in trying to negotiate a lot of the squabbles that have happened between nightlife and special events and neighborhood groups and the police department. one thing that has not been said today, jocelyn did it say that running in nightlife business can be difficult. part of that difficulty is that night life often becomes the scapegoat for social problems that the nightlife owners did not create but that they have to

deal with. and so, when an incident happens like a fight or a shooting, even something that happens a block away from the club that the club owner has very little ability to impact, that will, because of sometimes the tragic nature of it, the club will get blamed on a map -- automatically, even though they really had very little ability to affect that are not. so what is great about this study is that it proves how important this sector is to the economy, and that gives a little bit more weight to the political leadership that is necessary to force intelligence solutions into these complex social problems and not have the knee- jerk reactions that have occurred in the past that put all the blame on the club owners and then add all kind of additional costs into the

running of the venues and nightclubs that take away from their ability to hire jobs. and many clubs go out of business and even some have left this city. it is because of this process of knee-jerk reaction that occurs to admittedly difficult situations sometimes. but with the proper political leadership that said that this is important and the word has spread out throughout the bureaucracy that we have to work together and create better solutions. that has not always happen, and that has led to the problems that mark talked about. fortunately with this new generation of supervisors, and thank you to scott for pushing this and seeing the importance of its, we can create those solutions, working together with the entertainment commission, the police department, and not have the process that everyone has been stuck in that mark alluded to. thank you very much. supervisor wiener: thank you very much. >> thank you, supervisors.

i am here to talk about the need for been used to revolve over time and change. i have been working for the last three years with the california masonic memorial temple, the owner of the masonic auditorium on nob hill. a 3200-seat venue now, completed in 1958. it has not undergone any substantial rehabilitation or changes since then. we did get permits for the city in 2010 to renovate the said her -- of the center, add seats, make it more like the fox and oakland, where the city of oakland put in tens of millions of dollars to renovate that venue and modernize it and make it appropriate for these days. unfortunately is superior court judge put us back in the process again. i want you to keep in mind when, later this month, you hear the

next a masonic appeal of issues that were raised today in this hearing, it is not a nightclub. it is a concert venue. we're talking about an 11:00 p.m. closing time, 11:30 p.m. closing time on weekends. but it is important that you recognize the importance of these larger venues as well that bring people to san francisco for concerts'. they have a multiplier effect. they're not nightclub's the large venues. in this case, masonic happens to be in a mixed use neighborhood, both residential and commercial neighborhood. there are some residents in the area who are dissatisfied with the existence of it at all and are trying to close down the avenue. and i wanted you to be aware of these issues and the economic issues that were raised when you hear the appeal. a couple of statistics. we estimate when the venue is renovated and back open for business, about $2.5 million annually in tax payments to the

city -- in peril. $75,000 in tax payments to the city. $5 million to $6 million in capital improvements to the menu itself. it is important to the economic generator. thank you for this hearing. supervisor chiu: is that the live nation project? >> they have been hired. >> how large is that, if the project is approved, compared to like another that it team -- >> that has about 8000 capacity. masonic is about 3300. it is the middle range. right now, just the opera house and davis hall has that capacity. those are pretty much completely booked. so this is the only venue of that size in san francisco. supervisor wiener: so that

appeal has been calendar for -- it says march 27? >> either the 2327. >> this is march 27. any more public comments? seeing none, public comment is closed. i just want to thank everyone. i agree with some of the comments made the this is really a starting point. there is more work to be done. but i think this is been a great first step. so thank you again to mr. egan and everyone involved. mr. chair i moved to continue this to the call of the chair. supervisor chiu: thank you, everyone, for testifying. i want to make sure that we're going to be following up together on focusing on the music industry's impact as well, hopefully looking at some of the data from this report more specifically on the musicians, music industry, and other music venues. and the other issue is, wanted

to appreciate jocelyn from the entertainment commissioners and folks for being here today, too, for also doing such a great job trying to mitigate the impacts of the industry in different neighborhoods. i think ms. chapman, who spoke earlier, i want to thank her for bringing the concerns of residents been doubly the entertainment division's debt and commissioners can help in the process of bringing their career awareness to entertain me, which is such an important part of san francisco's life culture, and can be appreciated, but residents can be expected as well -- can be respected as well. we're continuing this to the call of the chair, without objection. is there any other business before us? >> no, there are no further matters. supervisor mar: thank you, everyone. meeting adjourned.

supervisor farrell: good afternoon, everyone. welcome to the meeting of the government ought and oversight committee meeting. i am joyous today by supervisor elsbernd and president chiu. the clerk is alisa miller. i want to thank sftv john ross and -- >> please make sure to silence of funds and the electronic devices. in the documents included as part of the file should be submitted to the clerk. supervisor farrell: item number one, please. >> hearing on the recent statistics and potential policies to address family

fight. supervisor farrell: i called for this hearing last year, and i want to thank all the members of the different city departments here today that deal with family issues in san francisco. we actually have a pretty robust line of speakers here, thank you for taking the time to be here. i also want to thank my staff and miss stephanie that has spent a lot of time putting this together. after the 2010 census was released showing a lot of family fled from san francisco, this has been a personal issue as a father of two young children. i have seen for years, friends of children that my children go to school with leave our city. as a kid born and raised in the city, a number of my friends live outside of the city right now as well.

it is a very personal issue that concerns everyone in the city, everyone on the board, and it is something i thought we should make sure to bring to the forefront. the reasons vary. but the facts are the facts. the recent census figure shows that most are younger than age 18. in 1960, that number was 24%. we have struggled to attract and retain young families. the city has 3000 more children than it did 10 years ago and has lost more than a thousand children between the ages of 5 and 18. speculation as to the causes of family fights, -- flight, the cost of housing, the education

system, the cost of living in general. and quality of life issues like safe streets and neighborhoods. i of the issue of family flight has been looked at, but i wanted to call this hearing to bring everyone together to get the data together in a once in the place and start thinking about and having a dialogue about what we are doing in the future. why does this matter? to me, it is quite simple. keeping families in san and it is is important for a diversion city. having children in our parks endorse goals is important to the vibrancy of our neighborhoods and of our city. i think all of us in city hall want to fight to make sure that that continues. hopefully this is a first step

in that direction. and whether out of this comes legislation to be introduced or other policies that are created, today is a first step in that dialogue and i hope that everyone will continue to work together. i will continue to stem this tide of what has been happening over the last decade. we have the number of speakers here today to get this dialogue started. colleagues, do you have any comments or questions? president chiu: first, i want to thank supervisor farrell and supervisor avalos for taking the lead on this. this is a topic that every single member of the board should technically be listed as sponsors. it is a perspective that this is one of our cities very top priorities. in addition to figuring out how to move the economy forward and

to bring the families back, i have often said that if we did a better job of keeping families here, literally hundreds of friends of mine have had believe the city -- to leave the city, they would still be raising their children here. it will take not just elected leaders and our city officials, but it will take a real commitment on behalf of every community to think about how we prioritize parents, children, our students. >> today we have a number of speakers. i wanted to set the stage of a lot of the data that has come out recently. a number of the different city departments have talked about what they are doing on the issue. and the number of community partners going forward, i like

to ask adrian pong to come up. hey, adrian. >> thank you, supervisors. i would like to introduce danielle lamb. she has been working in our office for the past year and is the author of our baseline study on family out migration in san francisco. i am the executive director of office of civic engagement and immigrant affairs. thank you very much, supervisors, for including us in the discussion today. my office oversees several initiatives ranging from census education, community safety, access and services, and immigrant affairs. last year, following the

american community survey data, we began to look at the changes in the city population for communities -- community needs. we looked at many datasets, and we look at this through a civic engagement of participation and equity, a safety lessons thrown in with race relations in the general quality of life, especially for the limited english speaking community. we will look at race relations because we have had some of that in the city. and the impact that all of these will have on the city resources and people. we also start to look at family

outmigration that mirrors a national trend where large numbers of families are leaving major cities and metropolitan areas, moving to the suburbs. i am a third-generation chinese- american, and all of my family have moved out of the city for some reason. lee asked that a lot. in this issue was also a topic of discussion at the conference of mayors in 2009. it was seen as one of the most pressing issues. we will analyze a number of studies and put them off together. look at reports that have already been typically conducted by the department, children, youth, families. trying to look at common factors

in key reasons why this might be happening in san francisco. you can call this a baseline study or analysis of issues are around retaining and attracting families. hopefully you can use this as a framework for this deeper discussion of how we are calling to make san francisco a better place for our families. first of all, went and looked at -- can lease with that over? this is what san francisco looks like today. our population over the last 10 years is now over 805,000 people. that is packed it in 47 square miles. some say 49, but it is 47. we have one of the highest density rates.

we have a stronger economy. we also have some challenges. over 112 different languages are spoken in the bay area. we have the highest cost of living, the third highest in the united states. the widening economic disparities between the high end and the low wage earners. the older i get, the more sensitive i get to that. it is about 38.2 years.

we also have an out migration of the poor and the african- american population has declined. we have to factor in all of those issues. >> how does that compare with other metropolitan's? >> and the median age is 34 years. if you look, a lot of the population are seniors. it is when you start to live in the issue.

>> thank you, supervisors, for this opportunity. i am a recent graduate from cal poly with a degree in city regional planning. here is a snapshot of children's families in san francisco. the three main takeaways, from 2000 to 2010, the population increased by 0.3%, versus the -- so overall, the city has lost about 5000 youth under the age of 18 in the span of 2000-2010. president chiu: do you have extra copies of these presentations? >> will be glad to provide that.

president chiu: i am curious about drilling down into those numbers a little bit. will you put those numbers back up? it looks like for under five, we have a little bit, but between five and 17, we have the lot more. >> [inaudible] president chiu: do you have this data broken out by geography in send an it is? -- san francisco? >> i have seen that through districts, but i don't have it with me. president chiu: i would love to get whatever copies you have. there are some parts of town but i think are doing better than others. if you have any information about that, i would like a sense

of if there is a mix of cities and services making them more conducive to families staying. >> just to set the stage with those numbers, we have more children being born, but we are losing school-age children. >> that is really what we are seeing. when they get to school age, they are moving out of the city. we wanted to summarize the policy considerations. supervisor elsbernd: i know we are going to be here forever if we keep jumping in like this, but can you put the chart backup? up? the number of children under the age of 5 is nearly the same. so these numbeig