proposed 0--- >> i'm serious. even if you submit on a tuesday, you cannot have it on the agenda wednesday. >> you cannot get something wednesday afternoon. it is unreasonable to expect her to copy the stuff tonight. i am interested in being here wednesday night holding a copy of the various pieces. >> you are talking about sending something on wednesday? >> i am saying tuesday, so if we have to submit something by tuesday so kaye has time.

good >> do not change it. and we will go with the third to submit on tuesday. he is fine with a motion. g>> i am not coming to work that day. >> by tuesday we will submit everything that has been assigned, and she will put it into whatever format she is able to and turn around and give us what ever you have a the fourth or fifth. is that humanly possible? >> i am not human. it is possible, but i am going to gather the information and make packets for each of you to

look through, and maybe if we have a specific time for tuesday, you would get it to mea. >> how about noon? >> april 3. >> if she says 3:00, it is 3:00. >> sure. >> april 3 by 3:00. >> the first draft. >> i believe the caller is not planning to compile this into one document, so if that is what

the task force is looking for, it might make sense to have one member of the task force to that compilation. it is up to you when that happens. >> it would be nice if it at least emerge. >> at minimum to get a paper version and would be fantastic. do we want to take public comment? >> my desire would be that we get a document that has emerged sections, so it is not necessarily perfect but put together so it slows in some way, and i am looking at who has assignments and who does not. if you want to sign that to somebody.

>> i am travelling. >> didn't we settle this of the last meeting that you were supposed to e-mail it to me? >> i do not think we did. >> i will make myself available if it is helpful. you want to clarify what this work item is? >> we will find a way. >> i will volunteer to be the collector for the pieces. >> should we have everyone e- mail documents? >> still the same time? or noon to her and 3 to her?

five we would probably want it earlier. -- >> we would probably want it earlier. >> i am assuming if this passes you will inform the member shriver to. >> we did take a formal motion. good >> i did hear a motion. we did not yet. we need to take public comment to submit by noon, and we will turn it around by wednesday it somehow. >> it is time to take public comment.

>> we are on item #4. >> task force work plan. >> one comment on the deputy city attorney where she was talking about a community interest, the other reason you would go up 5% is to prevent minority voting power, so that speaks to what he was talking about in his community. i think it is important if you look at the charter language to find out basically why were you brought together in the first place. you were brought together on the basis of the districts are out of whack population-wise, so i

think you need to address somewhere in your document why you were convened and what were the issues and how you were able to address them, so of population equalization is the primary issue. talk about how you made the districts closer. if divided issues reaching divided neighborhoods is an issue, talk about neighborhoods you have unified, but the problem is the illusion of minority voting power. talk about communities you have enhanced voting power or prevented solution, -- dilution, but all of those in need to be

addressed. but should be somewhere in your summary. we have a 15-page summary, and the actual document was 150 pages. >> thank you. >> to answer the question about the neighborhood, living there, i would say, it is, but it is a neighborhood by everybody's definition. thank you for putting your time into this. when this is over, my big question and concern is where are the files going to be stored.

when we turn something in to the board of supervisors, they get stamped and turned into a file. however, we do not know where it is now. after the task force finishes its charge and is suspended, where will the files go? also, what will be in the file? how extensive and will it be? will it have 50 pieces? i am trying to understand if someone six months, five years down the line wants to look at the file of this commission where they are going to find it and what they are not going to find inside of it.

i believe by lot you can region -- by law you can draw the lines until the bitter end, until you are disbanded. i am not sure when the next meeting is if you are the standard, so thank you very much. >> i am going to respond to your question. goo>> all of the files will be given to the department. including will be everything that was submitted via e-mail. any documents will be in the file and segregated through classification. >> thank you so much. >> sepp this time and we can

have an -- at this time we can have the current proposal on the table. fax all in favor? -- >> all in favor? >> you want to do a roll call? >> we will do a roll-call. [calling votes] that is seven ayes. the motion passes. >> moving on to mr. alonzo cost proposals. >> i propose that we settle on the finalization states region

-- finalization date. i would say april 5. if that does not fare well, we will amend it. >> is there a second? >> i will second it. >> public comment? >> chris bowman, a member of the task force in 1995. if you go back to the 2002 line drawing, they were actually tweaking the map on the final date. it had to do with district 11. funny how things remain the

same. the problem is you have not done any line drawing. you will be doing line drawing on the fourth. if it is on the fifth, that gives the public 24 hours, assuming the map you draft is on line at a time before the reading, and there is only a 24- hour turnaround, so i strongly recommend against approving th at. if they are not available for review, you violate i believe.

>> i would like to reiterate. i urge you to vote no in this motion. you are the most important people in the city of this point, and i realize you are dead tired of this and wanted to be over, but i urge you to take your charge very seriously. this is a big deal, and you are getting information down to the last minute, so even though it is a tough job, i urge you to not thimake a deadline that is l too soon, because you cannot tell what is going to happen to president chiu-- happen to port.

there is some moving around that can be done without moving other districts to the west. i have a map, but i did not bring them tonight. i will get them in before midnight. thank you so much. >> on the subject of a deadline, i agree it is hard to have a definite date at this point, but if you leave it until the last minute, you run the risk of letting the comments you hear last let you forget the ones you heard earlier.

whether the fifth is the right date, i would encourage you to look for some closure by a fairly early date, so the public starts to feel there is some closure. goothank you. >> commissioners, the greatest task force oveever. i come from a coalition with a lengthy name. i come from a neighborhood with severe problem, and what i am offering is a way out of fashion -- of that, and i do not

have the answers, but i have an algorithm. i think of is little early. >> i want to urge the task force to be clear about expectations it is creating, and you could decide to have the 50 your deadline and then decide to make changes to it, but thought would be a problem, so something you might want to consider is having some deadline for a final draft and made a really clear it is subject to final changes of a later meeting. >> i will take comments.

>> i appreciate what the speakers said about the fifth being too close in their opinion, and i am beginning to share the opinion, to the fourth, and i am beginning to share that idea of needing a little more time to have access to its common and i would be comfortable moving the state to the ninth instead of the fifth region moving the date to the fifth if he is open. the other analogy is a construction analogy. if we think of substantial completion and are open to making small adjustments after the ninth should we take that approach, but i am very uncomfortable with the thought of making open ended changes all

the way to the 14th. i do not think it is going to set us up well to make good decisions and to report in an effective way about them, so we do take this task very seriously. i am hoping people do not interpret this conversation as a signal to the contrary, but it is because we want to take the process and our deliberations so seriously and our reporting of our work so seriously that we should create some interim dates by which we should be substantially done with our deliberation, make that explicit, make unreasonable, and communicates, but we shall believe that interval for the next couple minutes. >> i want to offer both states, the fifth being the preliminary final days of the public is aware of that, and if the map is

published so on the ninth we do our final final. cracks in reflecting for the last few minutes, as an intent to get to substantial compliance, i am with it. i think they're voting against the motion common and i am not sure i want to lock myself into a particular date, because things could change. if there is some persuasive thing, i am open to it. i am not sure if there is going to be something huge and persuasive, but there may be a need to make a final tweaks somewhere. if we could really advance the

report, i am very comfortable with that, but i am not sure the setting an earlier date right now helps. >> i think i am on the position that the fifth is possibly -- i think we should be ready to draft an ad nauseam to the point where we feel comfortable about where we are, and i think we will not decide on the ninth we are moving to the 10th. i think the fed is probably the right statedate, and i think we should leave the last day.

>> i will amend my motion to allow a final drive that addresses the larger issues of leave open to polishing and tweaking after that. after the fifth. >> if we can to roll call. >> are we accepting that amendment without objection? >> without objection, they will be excepted without the amendment. >> on the motion as amended --

[calling votes] there are six ayes and one no. the motion pass those -- the motion passes. i think maybe we need to restate the motion for the public debt on april 9 the task force will provide a preliminary draft -- i am sorry. on the fifth. a preliminary final map which will allow for changes to be made at a later date, and it is april 5. >> correct.

>> of his time, i am going to conclude the work plan agenda item. we will move on to task force's budget. i do not have any new updates, but overall we are so well in in thin as a task force overall expenses. >> i have a point of clarification, but on item 4 regarding mali's suggestions for inclusion, i did not know whether or not we have arrived on fact. maybe i just miss that. we can taket it offline if that

is easier. >> if we can take it off line, that would be great. >> i do not care when, but sometime in the next 15 and a half days, could we have some kind of budget reconciliation in writing that shows where we are in various expenses? i would like to feel comfortable but we did our task within the budget as amended. >> thank you. >> public comment for task force and budget? task force member reports? >> nothing. >> nothing. >> i had to add we are

receiving a few media inquiries, but i wanted to be able to alert you about that, and i anticipate we will continue to get more requests as we get closer to our final states. >> are responding -- are we responding to those requests? >> that those requests go directly to the clerk as well as to our share, and share macdonell will decide whether he wants to delete it goes to individual taskforce members. -- if he wants to delegate to individual task force members. >> we will move on to public comment for any items that were discussed this evening.

>> regarding the blocks south, i recently learned our new supervisor reside in that area, specifically near baker and fulton, so i suggest you find out where she actually live cents so you can see which blocks might be affected. >> i did not finish what i wanted to say about out reach. i said good things, but it now predominantly turned out bad. there was insufficient software, insufficient training, insufficient everything, and

although several people were at that meeting, not a single mouth came out of that, and that is a function of the budget. the budget was insufficient. the first thing that goes is advocacy, and things get really bad. let me close by putting on my predict perhaps -- predicter hat. i am going to predict a couple things. portrero is going to turn of the way it did 10 years ago. it is going to be put back north of market. there are a couple of differences. we are not in the brown administration, and it is interesting to see the appointments not be giving in lockstep. a representative from chinatown

was claudine, and she was completely unresponsive to the requirement, and my question to you now is where is she now. >> as a matter of record, i want to stay faste that as far as i , if you umbrella organizations were contacted, and no input was taken for the community unity map, and so i do not know which community they were united, but it was the neighborhoods. just because you have drawn blinds does not mean they cannot be changed