year they would go to the fourth quarter step 3. these changes would be made at the first quarter step 1 and 2. supervisor avalos: would that lead to a contract extension beyond 2015? >> we agreed to two years of no raises in lieu of the city problem in the current economy. i do not think we would be interested in extending the contract and were beyond 2015, and i am not sure the city would either. we look forward coming back to the table and working cooperatively on a new contract, wherever that may take us, depending on the economy and other factors we do not know yet. supervisor avalos: it is just that one part of the contract? >> correct. supervisor avalos: as a set to

you, i really appreciate the officers' union making concessions during difficult times. it has been helpful in doing everything with the budget and making sure we of prevention services and play. thank you. >> let me congratulate the board of supervisors as well. the collaborative effort that i was able to be a part of an see city governments, labor unions all work together to adjust -- to address the problem, the problem of pensions, because everyone has the same interests, which is a healthier city that creates jobs and keeps people working, i am very proud of that effort and very proud the board of supervisors, and all of us have been working together to address the problems. supervisor cohen: i might have missed this in the presentation, but in the last academy class,

what was the salary for an entering person? >> the raises have been kicking in now. i do not remember what the salary was going in, but the salary entering the police department effective this july 1st would be around $87,000. >>i am tsupervisor cohen: i am trying to figure out, looking to get a hard number of what the salary will be. it is 87 now, it will be 82. >> are you negotiating with me? [laughter] it will use ballpark figures, saying we went from 87-80 and saving $7,000, and that is just salaried not including the other benefits. for every 100 officers lehigh year, that would be a savings of well over $1 million.

if we extend that to the next pay scale, i think it would probably save the city somewhere between 2 million and $4 million in the first two years, depending on how many we hire. that is assuming we're going to hire three academy class as, 150 per year, and we always have to remember we have a failure rate of probably 25%-35%. we would probably get 120 officers. the other thing i recommended to the mayor's office is if we continue to explore lateral transfers, it is cheaper. we have crops that do not have to go through the fall academy. due to the fact we're doing well and a stable department puls.

that would mean we would hire 450 officers over three years and probably end up with 400, which would keep us where we are. supervisor cohen: next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. my father retired 30 years ago. he used to work on the police cars as central shops. she was a parking patrolman for 10 years. grace murray. ♪ thank you for being a police department friend ♪ ♪ traveling up and down the money beach agait again ♪

♪ thank you for being a budget friend ♪ supervisor chu: thank you. cnn, public comment is closed. -- seeing none. >>i wanted to ask supervisor avalos in terms of special events. do we have a sense of what cost the police department may seek additional refunding for the america's cup in 2012 and 2013? >> i do not have that handy, but i can get it for you. >> supervisor k. howard. i think the police department

has been working with the america's cup team to put those numbers together. i did not have them with me but we can certainly talk about that. >supervisor chu: of the my recollection is we are hoping to raise the revenue stream. >> i do not think the member will be tremendously high at all. it is supposed to be cost neutral. that number has been in a lot of flux because the whole event has been in the state of flux. supervisor chu: my understanding is returned for all of those events and it is at cost. >> we do not charge for all of the events. some of them are full cost recovery, but some are no cost recovery. >> how do we determine when there is to cost recovery and when we subsidize the event?

>> some of it is a perceived ability to pay. some of it is for profit or sponsors. i can come up with a list of how that works. >supervisor chu: it would be great for me to understand that. >> we have the board of supervisors place caps on the reimbursement in the ad men code. there is a section of the ad man code that dictates the maximum the police department in charge, depending on the event size. there is a different portion of that ad madmin portion. >> the phraseology is actually civic and cultural events are

pretty much free. supervisor chu: i am just trying to get a sense of when we do cost recovery. my next question is going back to what you are talking about with the police chief academy courses. what is the status now -- when do we expect folks to come on? >> we will bring 10 of laterals on in late may/early june and the balance of the 50 will be hired in mid-late june. i do not mean any disrespect to our esteemed president, but again, if we only hire three class's a year, we never get to full staff. i understand the cost effectiveness of higher rank lateraling laterals, but i thint is important to hire entry-level

as well. particularly in the community. their level of commitment and knowledge for neighborhood and commitment is tremendous. i think you can not quantify what that cost is where value is to the city. when you do get the 50 individuals, and generally how do you start to disperse them amongst their different city areas. >> regionalloriginally they go e busier station so they get a better depth and breadth of what they may be exposed to. once they graduate, what we try to do is take a snapshot -- i have tried to spread the pain of the current staffing can't. we try to make sure no one has more or less than anybody else did, than it did when i came in as police chief. >> that is how we establish the

original baseline when i came in. we looked at the current crime patterns, cost for service, historical deployment and the baseline for all of the captain's. i assured them in the citizens group and the board of supervisors that i spoke to that you would never have any less than that number against the aggregate, percentage-wise. >> how often do you reevaluate the number? i assume it changes over periods of time. >> we look at it monthly. we just looked at it the other day. they will be getting half a dozen officers that come back. i know that is good news for supervisor chu. it is good news/bad news. the good news is it gets you back to where you are only 10 percent lower than where you were a year ago, which means

we're taking on water. supervisor chu: but the baseline numbers fluctuate? >> by numbers. right now everyone is down 10%. depending on where you were when you started, that will be anywhere from 7-10 officers down from where you were in april of 2011. >supervisor chu: i apologize. i assume the baseline is based on criminal activity station by station year to date. crime might go down. it could be because of the additional officers. i assume they need changes. >> we have officers assigned to the violent response team in special operations, and they are deployable all over the city, so that the base line at the stations try to stay the same and try to be fair to all citizens. for instance, we have had an

uptick in the sunnyvale, so a lot of officers are spending time there. we have had an uptick in the mission. what ever they have found out, with regard to where the other shoe may fall from where we have seen it, then we have officers are ready out in front of that. >> i want to let my colleagues asked questions as well. i know that one area of crime is electronic devices. the tablets, laptops, and computers. i think we chatted about this offline. making sure the tablets and the phones went completely dead, that you could go home and press a button and they were not reusable. they could not be sold again because they're basically paperweight. is there anything that we can

do to encourage the company to do that as well? i know that is a huge proportion here in the city. >> i know there are members in the state legislature looking at it as well. and i am happy to speak to whoever you want on the merits of that. it is not worth stealing if it is not going to be worth moving once it is sold. they do it in australia were essentially whoever the proprietor was, whoever was bustled phone, they can basically turn the phone off so that it is useless once it is stolen. i was reading an article the other day that the average person loses one cell phones each year to theft or losing it. it seems it would be a good idea, especially whether it is an atm or foam, within a half hour if it's used. -- or phone, it is used within a

half hour. supervisor chu: just an update on the staffing issue. we have a lot of crimes that never get investigated because of the nature of the severity of things. having had that, that has been extremely helpful. you see any efforts to decentralize other functions that have been centralized in the past? >> we have. we to centralize the big motorcycles. -- we decentralized the big on recycles. we also did that with your bike motorcycle so they have a closer proximity to golden gate park, which is what they were originally designed for. we added another half a dozen officers to that so that we have plenty downtown so that we have them in the bayview and

tenderloin. the thinking being we get accidental policing as they come to and from work. supervisor chu: supervisor winnwiener. supervisor wiener: just a brief follow up to supervisor kim's questions. what is important to keep in mind is that although we do engage in cost recovery, and that can be useful, i think one of the reasons we have put that in places we have seen outdoor festivals that have been pushed to the brink of nonexistence, because of a very high city and they tend to be the highest. the cost recovery in theory is a good thing, in practice it can really reduce the vibrancy of

the streets and cultural value of some of the bears and festivals. even fares and festivals that may be oare sympathetic, they can still add tremendous value to the economy and street life, so i think it is important not to engage in excessive fees. there is always a fine line about what is policing and simply responsibility. sometimes public gatherings happen where cost recovery is not appropriate at all. i just wanted to put that out there. supervisor chu: thank you. supervisor avalos: thank you. thank you for your presentation.

i have been pretty impressed with the relationship knowing what has gone on between the police department and youth groups over the past few years, and several years there was the development of dgo. 7.o7.01. i think we're really putting in place some really great standards. just recently there was the presentation by a police commission, you commission that when dawn on march 7, and that was great. i know there was a great deal of interest from young people, and to hear from young people as well. the youth commission came up

with a memo after that hearing, and there were three recommendations. have you had a chance to review that? >> yes, we're speaking to that tonight at the police commission. supervisor avalos: do you have a recommendation? >> the one recommendation is the know your rights pamphlet the more distributed. i know some of it was jurisdiction we not hours, more widely distributed within the schools. we are happy to drop them off. i cannot make the school district do what ever. supervisor avalos: i think the creation and distribution is really important. >> they exist. supervisor avalos: i know there was a video created last year.

any additional comments for that? >> there are people that call and ask us thait they can use tt or four were that? no one need ask. if they need a fund drive or whenever they want, i do not think you have to ask for permission. that is in no brainer. >> that is really great. there was also another recommendation around training of officers and working with young people as well. >> yes, the capt. flew up to seattle. we're trying to do everything as at least expensive as possible in using as many local people as we can. i know we have been working closely on the the critical

people in crisis. -- crisis intervention team training. a lot of those mental health professionals have donated their time. then we found money for stipends. the seattle group is offering to train the trainer. we have had doctors that solve the presentation and offered they would be willing to come in pro bono and speak to brain functions of juvenile. we're absolutely trying in earnest to come up with the training as soon as possible for advanced officers, and more importantly, if we're going to hire a certain amount of new police officers, we would like that to be a block of training. one thing we're going to do is take a day or month when officers are in the academy and will do that time just with youth. we would bring it used the news professionals and to do the

training in the morning, and officers would do that afternoon at a boys' and girls' clubs, park and wrecked facility just to take the police had off and interact with people in san francisco for an afternoon. and hopefully somebody would catch the bug, and later on that is something they would want to do much like right now where we have police officers in the northern district or working up on hunters point, strictly with young people. supervisor avalos: that is great to hear. that is a critical part of relationship building that is preventive and corrective policing as well. great to hear there are things the department is taking up under current leadership. i appreciate that. the last recommendation to come out of the youth commission was looking at developing a memorandum of understanding between the school district and the high schools and district stations.

is that also in the works? >> we have a great relationship with the school district. i am happy to sit down and have a conversation. i just came from the middle school where we did another future graduates presentation. i really do believe that all of the young people in public school in san francisco, we know for a fact they all live here. it would be great if when the old soldiers go out the door, if that was the new complement, that would be great, because their home ground. -- homegrown. supervisor cohen: thank you. well we have you here, i was wondering, like around 15th, is there as a tactical unit? what is that facility? >> that is where the special

operations had quarter is. -- headquarters is. bomb experts are part of it. transportation authority workers are part of it. we use that as the department operation center as well, which is that after hours. when you get phone calls of incidents within your district, they come out of that building. supervisor cohen: you will remain part of that building? you are not leaving is what i am asking? >> we are there to stay. supervisor kim: i wanted to follow up on supervisor avalos' questioned about the use recommendation. thank you for hosting a joint hearing for the police commission. a lot of the young people i talk to really thought it was a good

hearing and really appreciated being heard. i know these recommendations are important to them. i know mou is a controversial waord between you and i, i do remember parents and guardians have questions about who contacted them. and i know there are clarifying questions around that, and i think it would be good to have something in writing so that the adult guardians knew what the process is and how notification happens. the last question i had, i think it is important is there are minimum requirements that we somehow advertised that in high schools. i am not quite sure what minimum requirements are, but i want to make sure our students are qualified and eligible. whenever i can do to help

facilitate that. >> it is really pretty basic. you have to be a citizen, a high-school diploma, a valid california driver's license, and your criminal record has to be pretty much cleaned. ged or graduate from high school. when we came in, you have to be a resident of san francisco, but that is no longer the case. supervisor kim: something that came up when i was on the board of education, what are there are worse? i diddo know they do not always aligned with the school hours. because of the south hours, we do not have them assigned to have schools that we used to. now they are more district sro's. most of them high of an sro or

two that handle all of the schools. bayview, i believe, has three. one of them is on disability. they are responsible for all of the schools, rather than being assigned to a school like it was when we were back in 1971. supervisor kim: this is still the case that sometimes they start earlier and the shift ends early? were you able to address that issue? >> overtime use to make it a 12 hour day and patrol was only 10 hours days. the school is a five day week. we need it twice as many. it was what ever. the reason that they start before is a lot of the problems is before school. you wanted the sro's to be

amongst the corridors before school. then at the day was to the point where by the time they got out of school, the officer had run the 10-hour day or eight-hour day. we tried to do it with cut and paste of swing shift officers. it was hard to get one officer to be in both places. it there was only one officer, then they had no one outside. it seemed to be better to come up with sectional officers augmented by regular officers on patrol to try to cover everything in school and out of school. supervisor kim: so we were able to address the issue? >> yes. it would be great to have the schools say how they would like to approach it. >> thank you. supervisor chu: i want to thank

the cheap and the department for presenting the information to us. i think many of us have different questions in subject areas we wanted to address. i am glad we were able to hear some of that today. i am glad we were able to hear potential movement with regards to the pao with regards to rections of entry level folks. just for me come in terms of the area i really wanted covered that i think is needing more information on, i think we could benefit from more information is the area of the academy class is. i think that always gets glossed over. i really would like to see the department work with the comptroller's office, in addition to the mayor's budget office to really come up with something we can clearly see as a possible next step action plan going forward. i am wondering if we might be able to request the comptroller's office.

is it at all possible given that your auditors did the work to review that and see whether this information is still relevant or whether there are new suggestions that would be possible? in terms of the academy class is, i think many of us are concerned with the fact that there is a huge loss from the drop in attrition. we have all sorts of possibilities whether it is lateral or make sense to have new hires. i think a combination might make sense. i am open to that, but i also want to understand, because i would imagine the mayor will consider these academy class is. this board might consider it as well and how it is we might drive down costs and space it out over time and what the costs are actually and it will be an important conversation to have ahead of time. i would like the committee to hear at least those components again from the police department. i am just wondering if i have missed anything?