chairman mcdonnell: back to the question of the proposal related to kayuga. >> can i claire if i something on the bottom side? that area is completely isolated from both the outer mission -- it's actually connected more to glen park, because in that area there is a big wall. when you go down mission street, before you get to tingley, the wall just drops, and that area is isolated from the outer mission, and really they are more of part of glen park than the outer mission. my mother owns a house in that area, so i know it very well. >> thank you. chairman mcdonnell: is there a proposal related to this area

>> no proposal yet, but i wanted to hear about the other two pieces. i was interested in possibly rotating a bit in this area. chairman mcdonnell: i am not sure what you mean by the other two pieces. i'm sorry? >> the other out of st. luke's and the area along the 9-11 border to see if there is a population count near 800 that could allow a rotation there. chairman mcdonnell: let's begin with the most significant piece she promised moving. let's start there. >> ok. chairman mcdonnell: if there is not support to do that, then finding the alternative doesn't matter. >> ok. well it seemed to me -- chairman mcdonnell: so you proposed this? paint a verbal picture so people can appreciate where you

are going. >> what i am thinking, if we can zoom out for a moment, for lack of a better term, the tingley we have been discussing, put that back in, and took some population out of st. luke's and randall that we have talked about, the last meeting at least, and put that from nine into eight -- is that how that works? [inaudible] >> i understand, but it is possibly undoing some of that so as to restore the line along 280. it is a possibility, and i'm not ready to present it yet. i am looking if this works. you would have to go north there, over there, and then from nine into 11 along stony brook, stoney ford, stoney-something and madison, into 11, to rotate in a clock wise fashion.

and if there are probably 800 people in each chunk, then that works. that is what i am frying to determine. chairman mcdonnell: and the rotation solving? >> if it is appropriate to have the ti inch gley cut-out at 11 or if there should be a border cut there. we have had different things relative to that border. chairman mcdonnell: ok. any questions with regard to understanding the intended rotation? finish your thought. >> i was going to ask if we could look at the population west of mission to see if the numbers are there. if they are, then it is worth further talking about.

if they aren't, then it is not worth further talking about. chairman mcdonnell: sure. >> the speaker we heard earlier tonight, i would like to include that block as well. starting at guerrero and 27th -- no -- yes, correct. wait. the southwest block, but not the northwest block, where were -- where you were just then. >> this is a population of 101 people. >> right. and then the line west of valencia -- >> starting where? >> from testify any, east of tiffany, south of there, there you go. that's the area i was looking at. >> that is a population of 824 people.

deviation of district eight and nine. >> roughly 800. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. and then the last bit would be down on the 9-11 line. the excelsor and portollo zones west of stony brook, and then south of there as well. if we go one block west of the selected block, and then south

of there, the funny-looking block. not that one. nothing perm. west of moderate son and northwest of alma, thank you, and further south of there, peru. >> that is a population of 590. >> i'm just trying to see if there is something that can get to 800-ish. >> maybe that other funny-looking block there north of silver. >> that would be a population of 1,013. >> and if we de-selected the block in the middle? >> 805 people. >> there you go.

that would be i think the three-way move. >> just for purposes of everyone's consideration, what are you resolving fore? >> restore the border along 280. it would make for a cleaner border between eight and nine south of st. luke's, and it keeps all the percentages roughly as they are now. chairman mcdonnell: ms. tidwell? the general motion. we will get to specifics in a moment. >> i would like to say no, but i would like to consider st. luke's separately. chairman mcdonnell: mr. schreiber? >> i am not ready for this, or maybe ever. chairman mcdonnell: in the interest of moving our decision-making forward, the not-yets don't actually help us. if not-yet if there is a subset of the proposal i would like to consider or if the not-yet

means i would like to consider something else, state what the something else. let me start over one more time. ms. tidwell? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: and what you would like to look at? >> st. luke's. chairman mcdonnell: mr. schreiber? >> my answer is still no, but if other task force members present compelling ropes, my vote is no right now. chairman mcdonnell: thank you so much. i am going to marry you off to someone before these are over. ms. mondejar. >> no. chairman mcdonnell: no, never? >> no to this proposal.

chairman mcdonnell: thank you. ms. lam, for clarification, the stoney ford for stony brook move for the 9-11 border would go into -- >> from nine -- >> from 11 to nine. >> right. >> and then bringing the tingley out of eight into 11. we need to see the population variance for those two moves. i am not interested in the st. luke's move. i don't know if that would get us close enough. >> what he identified in the rotation were three, relatively-speaking approximately 800 populations. that is the puzzle move. >> no. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. mrs. mondejar. -- m's melara. i am not interested in changing our decision we made last time,

primarily we made it very deliberately. when the community comes tonight and says you took away this piece, they were not taking into consideration what it would cost elsewhere in their district. we moved something in their district, and next week the people will come back saying you shouldn't have done that. so let's leave it where it is. so no, no, no. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. that's clear. mr. leigh? >> can i ask a question? does the second move require moving st. luke's? chairman mcdonnell: no. the intent is to keep st. luke's in district nine. it has no -- nothing to do with st. luke's present site at all, period. >> i would actually be open to

looking at it. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. mr. alonso? >> i second that thought, yes. chairman mcdonnell: ok. that's it. for both the reasons that mrs. melara indicated, which is we made decisions with forethought in mind and with all considerations and the unfortunate reality as we have discussed throughout almost every one of our meetings is that no matter what decision we make, someone will disagree, and they will present a compelling case for changing it. unless we want to meet past april 14, i would suggest that unless there is a compelling case, a new compelling case with new information, then i would not be in favor of making these changes, to shift decisions we just made. it would be different if we hadn't just made these

decisions with full task force deliberation. on 6-3, we will not do that. ms. tidwell, let's go to the st. luke. >> i need an upgrade. chairman mcdonnell: by that clock, we will take a break for ms. tidwell, and we will resume by that clock at 8:25. thank you so much.

chairman mcdonnell: we will resume now our mapping discussion. ms. tidwell, are you prepared to make a proposal relative to st. luke area? >> yes, if we could look at that area on the map. it is currently in district nine.

if you could help me remember -- the one block? >> not the one block. i did not have a recollection as to having st. luke's in nine . i am not interested in it always having been in nine. i am interested in the public testimony and the reason for it being in nine. >> it is part of the community of interest. it is what was in the boundaries of the recognized neighborhood of the mission district. >> chairman mcdonnell: there wasn't a lot of compelling reasons for or against it. it is one of those institutions that has always been there, and so there wasn't ever a question of moving it. therefore, not a pot of public comment one way or the other -- a lot of public comment one way

or the other about moving it or not. >> and if we could also overlay the liberty hill district of the public testimony that has been given. that is further down. >> ok. then i would just look at the lines between 26th and 27th and chavez on guerrero. you had highlighted the bottom you had highlighted the bottom left quadrant.