strategies, i think is something where affordability is implied but not stated. that's something that, i don't know. you know, if there is even language that could be added somehow to some of these policy statements that would include the issue of equity, sustainable equity, something strategy, or affordability. more references to that because when you see some of the information provided here it -- i'm not really, you know you see the conclusion san francisco oriented districts promote affordable housing development. i mean, that's always sort of highlighted but i'm not sure. of course, it's through the development in some instances on sight, below market rate units and also through the affordable housing fees. but i'm just wondering in general, i've seen that term applied to a lot of very --

maybe projects that don't provide very high levels of affordability on sight. so i'm just wondering, you know, how are we really reaching those affordability goals through t.o.d.? >> i mean, think your question is a very good one and it points to how much work needs to be done. it's something that we often -- sometimes overuse the word t.o.d. here and other places. in addition to the sources you mentioned, one of the tenets of our transit oriented districts was to permit secondary units where you can actually construct smaller which are by nature most studies have shown more affordable projects as well. but that's a much harder thing to count because it does rely on an owner to take advantage

of that. it's not like we've seen hundreds of owners to promote secondary units. that's one more to add to your lirs. >> at some point i'd be curious to see the projects that have applied that term or that we apply that term to in the city. how many affordable units have been produced versus -- i mean this whole dashboard idea, i guess. what's the breakdown of -- of that. i -- there was some goals -- i'm curious what we actually did we end up with. >> also with the dashboard, it seems to me that the department was sort of hinting that there is some movement at least, towards, including that and the work play. and supervisor kim's office has

been working very hard to create some legislation that would require it, you know, of reports, you know, -- analysis around projects. do you feel at this time we need to introduce something like that? >> no, actually i think it progresses. if we can get the overhead to work. we're working with our neighborhood planning staff on this -- including this exact piece and we'll get back to you as we get there on changing our case report so it's actually inclureded. hopefully this will be in there. >> i think it's close to being done. they may want to check in with you sooner than later. >> i would love to talk to your office about that because we want to make sure we're meeting

everybody's goal. >> especially with all of the projects by many of the speakers, that dashboard or even a preliminary version with that would be helpful and all the members of the boards. >> good to know. >> my ultimate question is to what send in certainly there's not a lot we can do with certain information in terms of creating certain policies around it. i don't know what that looks like necessarily. but i think it will help in terms of how it applies. i'm really not clear about it and i would love to know that. i would love an answer to that question. i guess that would be mayor's office on housing. >> thank you, ms. dennis. how the in rufy's are being

applied. >> i think it's our goal to be more transparent in what we do. i think we'll highlight what fees we collected and what specific projects we apply the fees to so that the board and the general public have a better sense of how the mayor's office of housing is investing the public money in terms of projects. but this is something that we intend to start as soon as our next housing report. we expect to continue on an ongoing basis. >> thank you. you know, i think a lot of it -- a lot of my questions or statements are already in this report. the plan ling commission does not -- the planning commission does not receive the dashboard. planning department does not report the i packet oriented

housing. all these points are made in the very first part of this report of like -- yeah, i mean, i'm not going to restate it. it's in your report. >> and then finally -- so again, it's the whole t.o.d. and affordability mystery that's still out in my mind. i think finally for the care not cash -- was it the housing? there is a name for this. hold on, one second. i have my notes here. well, i guess -- it's my concern a little bit about some of the supportive housing and the -- is it the housing first -- let me see if i can find it. i just found it when i was working in the community with very low income clients. some of them weren't being

prioritized on some of the -- for housing because of the care not cash program tends to priorize people who are part of cap. so if you're a senior, or if you're a person living with disability, chances are you might get lost in the shuffle because you're not -- because care not cash tends to prioritize people are a part of this other program. so it's just something that i have a little bit -- i know i miss the shelter hearing the other day. i know that at some point even though -- housing first is definitely a housing. there is still a lot of seniors with disabilities. i heard this a lot from the transgender community that there still seems be a need for shelter that have the kind of

emphasis or skill set from the staff that can deal with you know, seniors and some people in these particular populations. at some point i would think -- i'm sorry i missed that hearing the other day. but i would like to understand that a little bit better. but that whole housing first and how it's implemented is something that i would like to look at a little bit more. the care not cash program and how people are housed and what that means for people with disabilities and people who are seniors. >> supervisor olague before we move on, let me just say that we decided to continue the last item. but i wanted to thank pamela levin from d.b.i. and michael for sticking around but we have

lost our cue rom or will be. so please continue. >> i think this is the most -- i think those are the things that came to mind. you know, obviously, everything that everyone said i have seen it firsthand in my dealings with low income tenants. so i didn't -- sadly it's just a real crisis in the city. but yeah. >> thank you. >> yeah. >> thank you, supervisor. >> i wanted to depive you a chance to make comments. >> i just wanted to thank the 60 to 70 people that came out and testified the really great and hard work by all the staff represented from the mayor's office in housing. thank you, ms. dennis and your staff, and thank you to john and others for being here as well. i wanted to say of interest to

me besides sustainable community strategy, i know avalos and others have been looking carefully at this link job housing linkage. i think it's so important for people to build on the priority development area but there are also areas in so-called p.d.a.'s that also need more affordable housing and diverse housing as well. so that's one question is if the housing prioritizing is along the corridors from 19th avenue corridor and 280. how do we build affordable housing and diverse housing outside of those areas? i also want to say that supervisor campos and wiener are looking at transportation. even with my role with e bag and with the bay area air quality management district

they're looking to create more affordable housing and especially linked with jobs. so my hope is that we're not looking along those corridors and not just the eastern parts of san francisco but also the west and other areas as well. but i just wanted to thank everyone for the great report. and when i heard loud and clear from the testimony is we need prioritize low income, affordable housing much, much more and have better strategies an monitoring within our different department. i'm all for a dashboard or better tools so question look at the bigger pishchur so we can make decisions on individual projects. thank you so much for your leadership supervisor olague and campos. >> i just found my questions finally. that's page 41 of the report mentioned -- the board of supervisors the does not receive information on local operating subsidies.

i do have questions on supportive housing. i know that people who are homeless are placed in two supportive housing situations and i just wonder about the quality of care that folks are receiving. i know t. -- tndc and other organizations i have full faith in. but sometime i've heard managers for buildings with 200 people and then limited availabilities. so when we say supportive housing what do we mean, really? and what is the eviction rate for people who are chronically homeless and who are placed in those units? what kind of support do they receive to ensure that they can remain housed? >> i cannot necessarily answer all the questions related to housing first because that's a program that human agency and

the department of health run but we can talk to you about the operating subsidy program. we administer with money from the general fund. however one of the requirements the local operating city program is hand in hand services. it's a requirement for subsidies to be continued. support services has to be provided to the services. if there's a question with the quality of the services we work with the department of public health to make sure that they're being provided to the clines that are receiving the subsidies. >> at sam: point i'd like to have more detail about some of that. >> sure. i know these programses are well intentioned but i just wonder about the specifics, the ratio between, you know, residents vs. some of the services, you know a little bit more in depth.

>> sure. we would be happy to provide that piece of information. >> frequently people will make the connection between housing and cost of housing. if you build more then the cost will go -- economics 101, sort of that we all learn. but it doesn't seem to apply in san francisco. so at some point i'm just wondering if -- you know, as we build more does that really have an impact at all on the cost of housing? rental or own irship housing in the city? -- rental or ownership housing in the city? >> i think you have some differing opinions on the question whether it's the creation of supply in and of itself affects the overall price of housing. i think that teddy from the -- from the budget comptroller's office had talked about what it would take to really lower the

price of housing in san francisco. and he talked about an incredible production of 100,000 units to bring the cost of housing down on a production basis. the extreme subsidying, you get x number of units are creating a creation of affordable housing. clearly there's something in between the two which is what the city will do in the long-term. >> we're about to lose quorom. ly not be able to ask my questions today. i was curious on how we report projects. i think it would be important to start including that of how we're meeting our goals and the

with with with mayor's on housing, i have a question about the demographics of the people who live in that unit. we may be getting a report soon. the ordinance and the assessment of that ordinance is and i think that it's important for us to continue to stay on top of that because that was important. i was really -- i want to thank everyone for all the time because it's really clear the immense amount of time that our department, legislative analyst put into the report that we have before us today. and it's disappointing to see that even in arena goals that we might be slightly declining in achieving our affordable production targets by 4636% to 33% and we as a city need to take a very important look at how we do better monitoring. we call this because you want to see better monitoring but this is only the beginning. we need to look at funding and

land acquisition and something that we all have been talking about. we need to strengthen our inclusionary program which is our housing program for our middle and moderate income. we heard a public comment is key for the redevelopment. i think all of the colleagues on our board is happy to see that the mayor is taking the lead. how do we take advantage of the city's limited land supply by using surplus project as some members of our community brought it today. and how do we sustain this rental stock? i think we all want to see both low income and moderate income housing built in the city. there is a disagreement tooze what modern income is. i just have to state that i am really looking at 60 to 20%.

that's a drastically different choice than the choices that i have to make which is choosing to live with a roommate or choosing to live in a one-bedroom apartment or choosing how many vacations i go on versus housing. i think we have to be clear about what it means to built moderate income houses and how we zies that. i just wanted to say that today. >> colleagues can we continue

item number two without objection? for item number three we're going to continue that to the call of the chair without objection. thank you everyone for coming out. meeting adjourned.