in terms of your views on civilian oversight, i am wondering if you can expand on that. a civilian oversight works for a lot of different reasons, and ultimately, the police commission is the one that makes the policy for the police department. if you look at someone like the chief, the commission president indicated he has done great work. it is something that is systemic and has to transcend the individuals in power. we want to make sure that we have in place a structure that protect civilian oversight.

so i am wondering if you can, in the context of civilian oversight, talk about the ordinance that supervisor kim introduced and what the role the police commission should have with respect to mlu's. >> thank you for that question. the civilian oversight function is paramount for the community to really be safe. have to feel like the police department serves them and is there to protect them. specifically, as i have told both of you in our conversations, as someone who reads the paper in the morning,

i am struck with a number of stories that raise my concerns about federal authorities surveiling americans without reasonable suspicion or probable cause. it as a longstanding issue that no one has said it is ok. there shouldn't be secret ones that implicate the part mental or general order, it says are officers shall never surveil without probably cause . if the fbi is telling you to do one thing in your general order is telling you to do something else, the general order trumps. the fvbi has that understanding, too. as a matter of process, there is no officer that is conducting himself in that way that carries a badge for the sentence is the police department. that being said, it doesn't mean

that the community feels like that is actually what is happening. that is where the commission plays an important role to give voice to the community. we have to -- and there should not be any secrets about partnerships that we have, absent some specific law enforcement investigations. you have my commitment to that as a commissioner. >> i appreciate that. i don't know that there was disagreement about the commission knowing about it or having a hearing about it. specifically, the commission have final approval over any mlu that the chief enters into?

>> i think that the balancing act with a civilian oversight -- how do you strike the appropriate balance between giving voice and having a commission to be empowered to do what it needs to do and how do with the community expected to do. to be accountable to the commission into the people to act in a way that is a reflection of san francisco values. i think that would be an example -- the understanding is that there are hundreds that are entered into with the san francisco police department for something as simple as of the president visits, it needs to be entered into. his role as running the department and that as a role that the commission should play.

i would have questions and would want to look further into whether or not it is the role of the civilian board to actually approved everyone. >> in the context of this one that specifically deals with the surveillance of san francisco residents, and you believe the chief of police should get the approval of the police commission? i know that it is a complicated issue. adopted allied believe the seven members should have final signing authority over that one? i believe the police commission should hear from the community and hold the chief accountable. if the community is outraged or a large number of members have real concerns does not reflect san francisco values, the police commission has a remedy that has to do with holding the chief accountable.

>> you don't believe they should have final approval? >> i think the police chief needs to have adequate authority with input from the police department and input from the community. >> short of disciplinary action, you were saying it should be the chiefs' final decision in terms of that specific mlu? >> i am saying that, yes. it is important to hold the executive accountable. her after hearing from the entire community about the pros and cons, the chief will be in a good position to see if that is something that is a reflection and if not, we would take action there. but i would stop short of when you are managing a large department, i would stop short of hand stringing the chief of

police from entering into the number of mlu's. >> to be honest, i think that is a different perspective on civilian oversight. it was the case previously on discipline issues where in some cases, the chief of police said the final say. the police commission, if they did not agree with the chief, they have the ability to discipline the chief in any way that they deem appropriate. those of us that have a different concept, and the authority was given to the police commission, independent of what the chief decided, take a different action.

>> if i am on the commission, i know you served as well. i would be glad to look at this going forward. >> now let's talk about the issue of youth that is an issue that has been raised before. one of the things that happened was a recommendation that additional training be provided -- i was wondering your thoughts on that issue. >> young people judge you by not

what you say but by what you do. i think they are a very good barometer of how the police department is doing. i think training is a critical issue. they said it is a profession based on training, best practices, looking at evidence have something that we ongoing we have to bring -- ongoingly have to bring to the department. supervisor campos: i'm happy to see commissioner mazzucco focused on that going forward. i am wondering if he would talk about your history and interacting with the diverse

communities in san francisco if you were to be confirmed. >> where are you from? san francisco, a beautiful, the first city. that is really part of the blessing and part of the choice i made to raise my family here. as a professional prosecutor, i lived in the valley and worked closely with community members that hopefully are still here to address violence, gun violence in particular and how the community can work together to identify solutions for youth and hold people accountable for when they're not being productive members of the community. i serve as the chief operating officer in the bay view, which

is the center for use well this, a partnership with a child advocacy center to a one-stop shop for kids that are most vulnerable, bring the very best of pediatric care, at the very best of mental health services. it is critically important and something has been my career doing, whether it is dealing with victims in domestic violence cases and elder abuse cases. it is at the core of who i am and what i am committed to. >> on the issue of sanctuary that is something that we have really talked about a lot in this committee and the police commission, i am wondering your thoughts on that. in terms of the police department, it is important that the police department not involve, it is in charge of

protecting everyone, regardless of their status. as a commissioner, i would be very closely monitoring to protect everyone in this city. supervisor kim: i will hold my questions because i know there are a number of folks waiting to speak at public comment. i will call them up. we have two commissioners here . turman, dejesus, and commissioner marshall as well. please come up. dr. joe marshall. i'm sorry, i couldn't read your handwriting. sorry. >> that's all right. i'm here to support commissioner

mazzucco. i have been in the commission my third term, served with him the last four years. it has been great. it will be accomplished without a commissioner -- they sat next to me a few years. getting the number of cases down from 77 to eight was an amazing thing. that was the headline. get a table and get that down, the work and the leadership.

what people don't understand, one of the commissions that get involved in personal matters, we do officer discipline. the balance is a big part of being in those deliberations. his past life as working in the u.s. attorney's office has served decommission well. he is fair, and him being also the son of a police officer brings a perspective to the commission that is sorely needed. you have to have balance, and he has been great. i have been his vice-president, he has been my vice president. i am looking forward to working with him the rest of my term. supervisor kim: thank you. >> i'm commissioner dejesus, i

do appreciate the questions that you asked, they are informative, even for me. i knew him when he was a public defender, it seems we were always on the opposite side of things. we can get heated and everything, but we can always agree to disagree. he has been a strong leader on the commission, i respect him, the members respect him. commissioner spark had to leave, but she echoes the same sentiments that the supervisor campos says, we work well together. he should be affirmed. >> good afternoon, supervisors. it has been almost a year since i got to stand up here and make

my pitch to beyond the commission. in that time, i will tell you that my time on the police commission has banned an incredible experience. as much as it had to do tahoe with -- had to do with president mazzucco. patient, listens to all views, and an avid advocate for the police department. i want to underscore something that dr. marshall said. a lot of work could not have possibly been done without a leader like tom mazzucco the has pushed us hard to not only be involved in the community, to listen to the public, to work to be responsive and listen to each other in making decisions.

we were a divided commission on a, have was proud of the respect and the earnestness in which we respond to other views. i hope you move the mayor's reappointment forward to get a positive recommendation. supervisor kim: i did have teresa spark's card, bu ti"ll -- but i'll keep calling. [reading names] >> good afternoon, and a community member and in that geographic location nine years

ago when we moved in, it was called the death valley. suzy loftus was one of the neighbors around the corner, and you know the expression that if you are not part of the solution, your part of the problem. i will get involved in to the community with the neighborhood association when she was engaged within the district attorney to of bring the professional capacity to all of those meetings. and really, always bring a professionalism and insights and caring to try to solve all problems. we saw respect for the police, we saw an increase of this, -- inclusiveness, trying to

do restorative justice. how do you make fixed when the behavior problems are no longer the negative ones. in every regard, i fully endorse suzy being on the police commission. for all the reasons we are proud of it she will add to its and fit in with all of the goals and objectives of that commission. again, i apologize that the other members have to leave, but thank you for and knowledge of the number of the males have the letters. thank you again. hsupervisor kim: thank you. >> hello, i'm a political

activist here in san francisco. i want to thank all of you for giving me the opportunity to speak about suzy loftus. we met at a political training program and became close friends almost immediately. a number of others have spoken or will speak about her impressive career accomplishments, and what she has accomplished in her career his incredibly astonishing, it is who she is the truly distinguishes her. she is a devoted mother, wife, and a loyal friend. she is a kind of authentic person with a delightful sense of humor. she approaches any challenge with an analytical and critical mind, consistently independently does so with an open mind and an inherent sense of justice and fairness. she does not have set

predispositions and endeavors to find the right and fair answer, not the quickest or easiest. in conclusion, i strongly believe that her extensive legal experience, her knowledge of and commitment to the city of san francisco, and her overall terrific personal attributes will ensure that she will be a productive and constructive addition to the san francisco police commission. i recommend her without hesitation. honesty is the cornerstone of character. the honest one of our man seeks not criminal or illegal acts, but to be scrupulously fair, and of right and fair in action at this impression -- and expression. [chime] she asked me to mention her unwavering support.

>> good afternoon. i am currently working with the attorney general on the realignment issues. i am privileged to be here in support of suzy loftus. we worked together as prosecutors in the da's office. i have to describe our working conditions because it does shed some light. we shared an office that had been a closet. it was a by six and one of us would have to stand up for the other to leave the room. when you work together under those conditions, you cannot help but observe a person's daily habits and character. her integrity and i have to say that she demonstrated the highest integrity, all of the law and justice and a concern not only for the prosecution side but a concern for defendants who came before her to ensure the process was fair and the procedures were fair and

i have no doubt she will acquit herself on the police commission in the same way and serve the commission very well. thank you. supervisor campos: thank you. next speaker. >> we have three more cards here. >> good afternoon. i got to know suzy when i became her intern six years ago. i thought i was going to be creative but i am not the first person to talk about her integrity. i can talk about her numerous courtroom histories. the one thing she taught me is the importance of integrity. she definitely said one of the most important things about being a prosecutor was doing the right thing. i have seen her in still that sense of integrity on people she works with, people who work for

her and in her three daughters. i think she would bring that to the police commission and that is an important quality with the kind of work the commission needs to do. i would support suzy loftus wholeheartedly. >> that afternoon. -- good afternoon. i'm a resident of district 6. i am excited to be able to talk about suzy loftus. this is my first time in this service. i have known her for 20 years when she was just a kid like i was. at santa clara university. out of all the great things that people previous to me have said, i am excited about the fact she has been the same person for these 20 years. in college she knew what she wanted to do. she knew that she wanted to work in the capacity she has achieved in san francisco. i am proud to say that i am her friend and have you met her kids?

if you look at her children and the way which puts into her children and how great of a citizen there will be and they are, it is a small resemblance of the character that she has. watching her and watching or public-service has inspired not just me but a number of people in my generation who many of us have chosen different roads and she was one of the only people we know that when into public service and she's an inspiration to us and she allows us to have faith in the public system and our democracy. i wholeheartedly support her and hope that you will confirm what our great mayor has started. thank you. >> i am reading a letter from the principle of -- principal of

where her next tablet be attending. i write this letter to support the nomination of suzy loftus to the police commission. i have not her in the capacity of a parent at our elementary school. she was elected by our parent community to serve on our school council for two years and has been serving as the chair person since. she is genuinely compassionate about the welfare of all children despite her busy schedule. she is fully committed to quality education. making significant contributions to our school community by staring our programs in the right direction. she is a strong advocate for promotion of safe and enjoyable learning environment. this is our school plan. for my personal interactions, i

am impressed with your integrity and interpersonal skills, her intelligence and extraordinary leadership. the sentiment is not only felt by me but shared by others. as a fellow citizen in san francisco i hope mayor lee continues to seek out cabinets of extension -- of exceptional character. thank you. >> good afternoon. i am prosecutor in san francisco. i have known suzy loftus for her work at the district attorney's office. she is tireless in any role or her undertakings, whether as a mother, wife, a friend, a daughter, a mentor in her role at the office and at the

attorney general's office. as a member of the law enforcement community and someone who has the privilege of going out into court and dealing with the citizens and the people of our city. in a changing environment, her work and input as a member of the police commission will be critical for the ongoing public safety of the citizens of san francisco. thank you. supervisor kim: thank you. is there any other public comment? on items 5 and 6? please,. you do not need a card. -- please come up. >> it is good to be here today. i was not going to speak but i was thinking about i have a 32-

year career in the city. prior, this was two years ago on my own dime. traveling up and down this state. we have been in orange county, riverside county. and more than once, several times. people polis aside and say, what are you doing here? the state is never going to --- for an african-american woman. she will go toe to toe. she -- if you are looking for someone with integrity in strength, someone who will stand up