the police department changes them at 110,000, seattle at about 70,000. chp at 100,000. we would have to drive for 42 years and have them last 630,000 miles, unless we are on a standing vehicle replacement thing. it is as low as it has been. we had a total 18 cars. it is not a question that the accident was that bad, and it was the old it was not worth fixing. as the emergency vehicles, we

have the clean transportation program. this was not very good for the air that these cars are driving around. it is time to get on the schedule to fix those cars. there was a desire to talk about the i.t. we have a great i.t. director in susan who came from the private sector. we are moving like we have never moved before on this web-based platform. it is our hope that the entire department will be on this system. by the end of the fiscal year. we would like to take the show on the road and get the neighboring counties, so we know who is coming to san francisco, as well as the criminal

element, and for the youngsters that may be doing stuff in one county, it would be great if we knew what everyone was up to so that we could have an early warning system before they could get into serious trouble, we may work with the other probation departments to have a new normal. impacting violent crime, long- term, and we can only do this best if we are sharing information. i keep talking about the electronica tablet. years ago we used to have silver clipboards, with all of the forms in them. in this generation, some kind of android or ipad tablet that could be a phone, could take license plates or activation, mug shots, it just makes us better. and i know that we speak to

this, 1971. if you look at the report -- that number is low. when they came out with that number we had nine police stations, and there was no station in the tenderloin. we did not have responsibility for treasure island, with 24 officers doing that seven days a week. we're going to take over hunter's point. there was no domestic violence unit. and on and on. no at & t park. all of that was after the 1971 number. i am happy to be capitalized on the civilian complemented to the back-end work as we do the other. we could get by with 1971 but we

will need that have the most safe city possible. >> can i asked with regard to the technology, i am not as familiar with this. what was it that we funded within the department? this is the web-based system that the chief was talking about. >> we have $2 million from the uwaji grant, the oracle warehouse, which is now the server, if you will, the platform that we use. the nice thing about this is that because this is not a plan server, we have our own engineers that of did this, and to the software. san francisco city is helping us create an application that would be mobile-based, to keep the officers out in the field.

we have the help desk and the officers have the email. >> madam chair and members of the community, in this current fiscal year, the department received about $570,000 of general-fund money for the enhancements to these projects, and the data warehouses -- they are really the core application that will feed into everything that goes beyond that. the email was a very important thing, and this was another important aspect of it, with the $2 million from the grant fund, and in the coming fiscal year there are a lot of requests that will be evaluated by the

court subcommittee. we will be looking at all of those and prioritizing them to see how much money can be made available to continue the process that the public -- progress the police department has made. the police department has made a lot of progress. susan is aggressive and she is smart, and bringing the offices along in the area of technology. >> supervisor weiner? supervisor wiener: i want to congratulate the department. this is so important in increasing the efficiency of the department and the increased staffing that i hope that we see, and i hope that we go with an aggressive academy calendar. with respect to the technology and the improvements, i think

one thing that we have seen, it is that the technology program is unbelievably dysfunctional. we have spoken about this with hearings, they have taken on this thankless task of moving this, to be just better. and we see this, with how poor the technology is, with the e- mail system. so many aspects of the technology for the government. i do not ask you to agree with anything i have said -- it is about if the police department is experiencing other obstacles

in moving forward because this is the functionality and if you have moved forward smoothly. we approve the technology for the police department, but then we have the applications, and we waste money as we have in the past. >> the answer to that is yes and no. when you say the email system is bad, we didn't have it. now every san francisco police officer has this. something is better than nothing. there has been disagreement, but healthy disagreement . i don't think susan is a pushover. she knows what works and insists upon this, and we all want this to fit and we want to get this right the first time and as quickly as possible. there has been a lot of

graciousness, indulging me since i was new and i really do have an idea of how i would like for us to be. and we do feed the rest of the system. there was some time that is given. she thought she could do this within a certain amount of time. as we make the milestones, we gain more credibility. if we could have the police department's there -- the officers are the beta group. there is a comment section at the top, and the officers are working with this as we pile up around the district sections. this will grow to the other six stations. the officers are very enthusiastic about this. the improvements are made and

hopefully we will be up and running and feeding the justice system as this was designed. >> thank you. i wonder if you could talk about the crime lab? >> we are trying to find an existing place, and i know this is part of the vision of the mayor, to get as much law enforcement as possible. in and around buildings that we already have. we are working with the chief administrative officers, to look at a few buildings -- with the seismic retrofit. we have to be out of 606, from 2016, so we are trying to

identify the building that would take the crime lab. >> if there are no other questions, we should at -- open this up for public comment. are there any members of the public who wish to speak? >> i am here to just fill the commission in on a couple of things -- with a crisis that we have found ourselves in, tweaking things -- we have a happy to deal with this -- and

we are happy that we were able to do this. i reiterate everything that he has said today. we are facing a personal crisis we will lose 250 police officers, and they must leave their national -- natural attrition. the numbers we saw there, if we do nothing in two years' time this number will be around 1400. no one is interested in seeing this happen. i had a discussion with the mayor's office and one thing we are considering, we will report back in a month -- after

lowering the entry-level pay. and this will save some money. they will be able to move forward and ha300addadd 300 per year. and hopefully we will see ourselves coming out of this and in the meantime we just need to see ourselves going forward. >> we have a couple of questions? i think supervisor avalos has a question. supervisor avalos: thank you for your public comments. if we have the officers come in, would we be open to do this? >> we would have to open this contract. i think the members want more

police officers, and that the officers would probably vote to do this. this would involve opening up the contract. >> i want to thank you for the lower pay. i want to thank the tasks -- task force for doing this. >> with the further new officers -- would that be a further pay scale as they move up? >> for the first two years, what we talked about with the mayor's office is that in prior times it was not easy to get police applicants. they are lining up around the block now to the san francisco police officers. we don't want to lose good

candidates but we've done want to lower the starting pay and the second-year pay by 5 or 6%. with the benefits, hiring 100 pe officers. >> on the third year they would go to the fourth quarter step 3. these changes would be made at the first quarter step 1 and 2. supervisor avalos: would that lead to a contract extension beyond 2015? >> we agreed to two years of no raises in lieu of the city problem in the current economy. i do not think we would be interested in extending the contract and were beyond 2015, and i am not sure the city would either. we look forward coming back to

the table and working cooperatively on a new contract, wherever that may take us, depending on the economy and other factors we do not know yet. supervisor avalos: it is just that one part of the contract? >> correct. supervisor avalos: as a set to you, i really appreciate the officers' union making concessions during difficult times. it has been helpful in doing everything with the budget and making sure we of prevention services and play. thank you. >> let me congratulate the board of supervisors as well. the collaborative effort that i was able to be a part of an see city governments, labor unions all work together to adjust -- to address the problem, the problem of pensions, because everyone has the same interests, which is a healthier city that creates jobs and keeps people working, i am very proud of that

effort and very proud the board of supervisors, and all of us have been working together to address the problems. supervisor cohen: i might have missed this in the presentation, but in the last academy class, what was the salary for an entering person? >> the raises have been kicking in now. i do not remember what the salary was going in, but the salary entering the police department effective this july 1st would be around $87,000. >>i am tsupervisor cohen: i am trying to figure out, looking to get a hard number of what the salary will be. it is 87 now, it will be 82. >> are you negotiating with me?

[laughter] it will use ballpark figures, saying we went from 87-80 and saving $7,000, and that is just salaried not including the other benefits. for every 100 officers lehigh year, that would be a savings of well over $1 million. if we extend that to the next pay scale, i think it would probably save the city somewhere between 2 million and $4 million in the first two years, depending on how many we hire. that is assuming we're going to hire three academy class as, 150 per year, and we always have to remember we have a failure rate of probably 25%-35%. we would probably get 120 officers. the other thing i recommended to the mayor's office is if we continue to explore lateral transfers, it is cheaper.

we have crops that do not have to go through the fall academy. due to the fact we're doing well and a stable department puls. that would mean we would hire 450 officers over three years and probably end up with 400, which would keep us where we are. supervisor cohen: next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. my father retired 30 years ago. he used to work on the police cars as central shops. she was a parking patrolman for

10 years. grace murray. ♪ thank you for being a police department friend ♪ ♪ traveling up and down the money beach agait again ♪ ♪ thank you for being a budget friend ♪ supervisor chu: thank you. cnn, public comment is closed. -- seeing none. >>i wanted to ask supervisor avalos in terms of special events. do we have a sense of what cost the police department may seek

additional refunding for the america's cup in 2012 and 2013? >> i do not have that handy, but i can get it for you. >> supervisor k. howard. i think the police department has been working with the america's cup team to put those numbers together. i did not have them with me but we can certainly talk about that. >supervisor chu: of the my recollection is we are hoping to raise the revenue stream. >> i do not think the member will be tremendously high at all. it is supposed to be cost neutral. that number has been in a lot of flux because the whole event has been in the state of flux. supervisor chu: my understanding

is returned for all of those events and it is at cost. >> we do not charge for all of the events. some of them are full cost recovery, but some are no cost recovery. >> how do we determine when there is to cost recovery and when we subsidize the event? >> some of it is a perceived ability to pay. some of it is for profit or sponsors. i can come up with a list of how that works. >supervisor chu: it would be great for me to understand that. >> we have the board of supervisors place caps on the reimbursement in the ad men code. there is a section of the ad man code that dictates the maximum the police department in charge, depending on the event size.

there is a different portion of that ad madmin portion. >> the phraseology is actually civic and cultural events are pretty much free. supervisor chu: i am just trying to get a sense of when we do cost recovery. my next question is going back to what you are talking about with the police chief academy courses. what is the status now -- when do we expect folks to come on? >> we will bring 10 of laterals on in late may/early june and the balance of the 50 will be hired in mid-late june. i do not mean any disrespect to our esteemed president, but again, if we only hire three

class's a year, we never get to full staff. i understand the cost effectiveness of higher rank lateraling laterals, but i thint is important to hire entry-level as well. particularly in the community. their level of commitment and knowledge for neighborhood and commitment is tremendous. i think you can not quantify what that cost is where value is to the city. when you do get the 50 individuals, and generally how do you start to disperse them amongst their different city areas. >> regionalloriginally they go e busier station so they get a better depth and breadth of what they may be exposed to. once they graduate, what we try to do is take a snapshot -- i

have tried to spread the pain of the current staffing can't. we try to make sure no one has more or less than anybody else did, than it did when i came in as police chief. >> that is how we establish the original baseline when i came in. we looked at the current crime patterns, cost for service, historical deployment and the baseline for all of the captain's. i assured them in the citizens group and the board of supervisors that i spoke to that you would never have any less than that number against the aggregate, percentage-wise. >> how often do you reevaluate the number? i assume it changes over periods of time. >> we look at it monthly. we just looked at it the other day.

they will be getting half a dozen officers that come back. i know that is good news for supervisor chu. it is good news/bad news. the good news is it gets you back to where you are only 10 percent lower than where you were a year ago, which means we're taking on water. supervisor chu: but the baseline numbers fluctuate? >> by numbers. right now everyone is down 10%. depending on where you were when you started, that will be anywhere from 7-10 officers down from where you were in april of 2011. >supervisor chu: i apologize. i assume the baseline is based on criminal activity station by station year to date. crime might go down. it could be because of the additional officers.

i assume they need changes. >> we have officers assigned to the violent response team in special operations, and they are deployable all over the city, so that the base line at the stations try to stay the same and try to be fair to all citizens. for instance, we have had an uptick in the sunnyvale, so a lot of officers are spending time there. we have had an uptick in the mission. what ever they have found out, with regard to where the other shoe may fall from where we have seen it, then we have officers are ready out in front of that. >> i want to let my colleagues asked questions as well. i know that one area of crime is electronic devices. the tablets, laptops, and computers. i think we chatted about this

offline. making sure the tablets and the phones went completely dead, that you could go home and press a button and they were not reusable. they could not be sold again because they're basically paperweight. is there anything that we can do to encourage the company to do that as well? i know that is a huge proportion here in the city. >> i know there are members in the state legislature looking at it as well. and i am happy to speak to whoever you want on the merits of that. it is not worth stealing if it is not going to be worth moving once it is sold. they do it in australia were essentially whoever the proprietor was, whoever was bustled phone, they can basically turn the phone off so that it is useless once it is stolen.

i was reading an article the other day that the average person loses one cell phones each year to theft or losing it. it seems it would be a good idea, especially whether it is an atm or foam, within a half hour if it's used. -- or phone, it is used within a half hour. supervisor chu: just an update on the staffing issue. we have a lot of crimes that never get investigated because of the nature of the severity of things. having had that, that has been extremely helpful. you see any efforts to decentralize other functions that have been centralized in the past? >> we have. we to centralize the big motorcycles. -- we decentralized the