without the police commissions, -- police conditions, but with the condition that we come back in six months and review it again. >> i would like to make a friendly amendment to say that for one year -- we would review it in one year as well. six months and one year. >> that is friendly. >> we have a motion and a second. please call the roll. commissioner perez: aye. commissioner hyde: aye. vice chair joseph: aye, good luck. item f. >> this item was continued from the april 24 entertainment

commission. it is a small bar in the tenderloin. this application include signatures of about 110 people in support of the lounge. there were no letters or e-mails received opposing the granting of the permit. we suggest adherence to the standard conditions of police code, fire code, and municipal police code sections related to entertainment. vice chair joseph: tell us a little bit, for those of us who may not know. >> we have been around since 1986. the area has changed. we have tried entertainment to get people into the area. that has worked. we have no incidents. we have applied for a permit.

>> commissioners, questions for the applicant? anybody? anybody? vice chair joseph: i would like to open the floor. and charlie's lounge. -- aunt charlie's lounge. i am sorry. i am not see you guys hanging out in the corner. >> thank you for having me here this evening. i am here representing the tenderloin police station. at the last meeting, we requested that the applicant resubmit their application, because there were some items that were omitted in the application. we have received the revised application. we have reviewed it. we are pretty satisfied with the application as it stands.

with police support this application. the captain asked me to tell the commission and he has known as the establishment for over 24 years. he fully supports this establishment getting the permit. thank you. vice chair joseph: thank you. is there any other public comment on and -- on aunt charlie's? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> that are a stalwart part of fund-raising for the h.i.v.-aids community and beyond. just an amazing place to go. thank you. i would like to move to approve this permit. >> second. [roll is called]

vice chair joseph: item g. rakesh modi doing business as omg. >> my name is mark reni. i apologize if you ask me some questions. i was handling the abc matter and was asked to represent the applicant of the entertainment commission. i have had an opportunity to visit it. is the old space at 43 sixth street. they did a great job rehabing what was probably an old barn that had been there forever. had a great crowd.

that was the first establishment. they went on to great heights with lots of school establishment's. my client has a lease on that place. he would like to open it. it has a 49 occupancy. we receive tonight from the police department a set of recommended conditions. does anyone have that? we have gone through it. there has been a lot of scuttlebutt with this place. the police department have done a great job. i am involved with open solutions down on sixth street. i have watched them and they never could help clean the place up. there are new businesses coming in. that said, it is the highest crime street in san francisco, is my understanding. it is a very tough luck.

my client understands this is a very tough luck. he wants to put more security than would be required for a 49 occupancy, put a lot of letting out on the street, put a high death security cameras looking both directions, and make that available to the police, which i think will help turn that street around a little bit. we have gone to the board of supervisors on the abc permit. they have provided six conditions, which include open until 2:00 every night, no off sales, noise conditions, no loitering, and some securities of, -- and some security stuff. 18 conditions, we are fine with

all of them, with two minor exceptions. condition one, the requested entertainment from 8:00 a.m. -- from 8:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m.. we are fine with 5:00 p.m. until 2:00 a.m. monday through friday and request 8:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. saturday and sunday. we request the last sentence of the condition be struck prior to using a promoter. that will cause an added burden to the business owner. i do not think it will add security, as long as the outside promoters are registered. they have insurance. they know what they're doing. we understand that.

we are not going to come in with bogus promoters on that. other than that, with a forward to working with the captain at the station. he has done a great job on sixth street. i think it is great what is happening down there. i am here tonight with chris schock, and the partners can answer any questions you might have. >> was there any additional outreach to the community? >> you have a package with letters of support. we also, based on the entertainment commissioner's recommendations, reached out to the united players and others.

we definitely will continue working with them as well in the neighborhood. vice chair joseph: anybody else, questions? >> you are starting a business on sixth street, a very sketchy part of term. can i ask you your inspiration of starting a business there? >> when urban solutions showed us the location, our first reaction was hell no. [laughter] a few things. the financial -- the cost was lower rent, definitely. more importantly, we did some research and looked into the plans for sixth street. we saw bodies command. we saw pearls command -- -- we

saw dottie's come in. we saw pearl's come in. the area is definitely changing. we can be part of that change as well. that was a big incentive for us. the manager, i will continue to talk to. bernadette, i believe. she was unavailable, very busy. her mother passed away recently. i continue working with them as well. we met with the manager. >> were you able to have a conversation? >> yes. vice chair joseph: any other questions? thank you very much.

you are here. >> i am the commanding officer of seven police station. thank you for having me tonight. let me tell you how i came about these conditions. sixth street is a very high crime area. i have data dating back from 2010 there were 8575 incidents the police had to take president reports on and do some kind of police services. there were 215 or more police reports -- which is considered high crime in this area. it was 18 times higher. in 2011, it was 6344 incidents,

which makes it about 16 times the amount of incidents that define a high crime area. from january 1 through august 31, there was 1093 incidents. looking at the totality of incidents, and sitting down with my staff, that is how i came up with conditions. i am presenting conditions to the police commission. my concern is public safety, the patrons coming and going if there permits are granted. that is my only concern, public safety. any of the other venues in my district know that i have worked with them. i haven't -- i have a monthly meeting to make sure the patrons that come and go for safe, and that businesses comply with their permits. i am not trying to go off on a

tangent, i am trying to show you what kind of captain i am. the entire south of market, i did not cite one person that was in education. i chose to take the educational component to let them know you have compliance of your conditions and this is what you need to do. every club we went to had some type of issue. again, my concern is public safety. where he wants to change from 5:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m., i do not have a problem with that. however, on public safety, the three day notification -- that is an e-mail or phone call. pick up the phone or call me. if we have a promoter that has

been a problem -- if you bring that person to your club, and there is an incident, you are responsible. it is an opportunity to research the promoter so i can tell the club owner i do not think you want to have that person here. i do not think that is unfair when we are dealing with public safety. >> we do have a promoter's registry. what that means is that any club owner who employs a promoter that is not on the registry is in violation. we do actually have the registry. it is sfpromoter dot -- what is the website?

>> on the entertainment commission website, there is a direct link. vice chair joseph: i appreciate your work. the entertainment commission has a good neighbor policy. it is standard conditions on every permit that comes out of here. many of these things are already conditions we would impose, like having a phone number. many of these are already standard conditions. that is no matter what kind of permit comes out of here. we already have many of these as a standard condition. anybody else?

>> number 18. i was just wondering if maybe a visit from safe might be a better improvement to work with the venue to really hone in on what it is they would need. sake is a great organization. they could be very helpful. you can print something up. people who work in creating a better relationship with the neighborhood and keeping things safe, maybe they could help in the literature, and we could just say to work with safe instead of printing up literature. can we do that? are we allowed to suggest? >> we can suggest it. i do not think we can make them

work with safe. can we? i do not think so. >> conditions, in the main, stay on and permit some time. in all of these conditions, what makes the most sense relative to a piece of paper that is a permit and has conditions that we as staff need to enforce, whether it is that you are in violation of the condition or you are not? in particular, that is important when we are issuing citations, or any other kind of constructive change. it needs to be something we can say you are doing the right thing or the wrong thing. you get involved with that kind of thing like safe. i was calling to bring up as well, with north 16 -- -- with number 16, is their language the

captain can live with that will not live on forever in a permit? vice chair joseph: did you say 16 or 15? huppah -- >> i do not know if the lot in this form -- is there a way to get to the end the captain is asking for that is not necessarily putting it in a permit we cannot really in force? vice chair joseph: we would know whether or not they made an attempt to secure a taxi stand. that is a great idea. he should have a taxi stand, so that people can come and go and do not have to drive. there are cars broken into. >> the captain is aware that this commission cannot approve a

taxi stand. he is saying give it a try. it being in the permit, it is difficult for us. if you can work out some way, on the record, that the applicant can go through the mta and let you know if they are successful, or communicate back to the police, or whatever it is. that has value to me. i think i made my point. >> i had questions on eight, 13, 15, and 18, kind of for those issues. we have another discussion about pat downs prior to allowing patrons to enter a venue recently. the outside promoters -- if it is just an e-mail, i think that is ok. but do you have other clubs that do that for you in the district?

and then 16, i was wondering if we could in force. 18, it is just the literature. i am not sure if that is necessarily something. i think that is a nice idea, but i am not sure that should go with the permit. >> i am all for pat downs. i had a club for a long time, and we patted down everybody, every night, no matter how fancy the ban was. that is just me. i am for putdowns, personally. i think the taxi stand, we have to strike it as a condition, unfortunately. i think it is a great idea. as far as the literature goes, it is standard to put in literature like the quiet, do not disturb the neighbors, and

do not leave your valuables in your car, and things like that. maybe we can suggest that you talked to say about what to do about that, what to say. i am not sure it is a bad idea. that is my opinion. anybody else? commissioner tan? commissioner perez? >> i am going to show you the reason i put this. this is it right here. as soon as i come out the club, a little bit intoxicated, call a taxi and walked down the street, i got a robbery victim going to san francisco general. i am just saying that is the reason. vice chair joseph: i understand, and i think it is a brilliant idea. i think they should have a taxi stand. however, i do not think we can

in force that. -- enforce that. >> there should be literature to inform your customers, something. >> can we enforce 18? i was just making sure. and 16, can't you just get a copy of the application that they submit to the mta? >> you could, but again, if you think about it, four years from now, there is no taxi stand out there. what is the point of having that? i would rather see you may

bring it up based on the need of the station and ask them on the record will they attempt and report back to us how it goes. it is a process, but i am not sure if it is something we can do with in a permit. vice chair joseph: get a deal with yellow cab, make a deal with them. a lot of clubs do that. they have the back line number. you call the regular number, you are on hold forever. we had a back line number, where we could call the dispatcher. they put out a call and 15 tabs would show up. that is something you can do. it is just a suggestion. the cab's just pull up into the white zone. a taxi stand is a little harder to get, i think. i am not sure. i do not think it is something

we can enforce. is there anything else? based on that, would somebody like to make a motion? i can suggest that we approve this permits. -- this permit. >> are you suggesting we leave out condition 8, the pat downs? >> i know we have had a discussion at other clubs and struck it. i think pat downs are fine. >> is there a way your security assesses when to and when not to pat down? >> you do or you do not. >> do you currently pat down?

is your security going to be trained to know when to or when not to? i think in the case that commissioner hyde brought up, the security plan said we were able to -- i do not know their process. but they had a process when they did and did not. >> you cannot have that kind of policy. that would open security to immense possible litigation. it is all or nothing. you do or do not. >> that is the rationale for another permit, and restrict it. >> metal detectors can detect made the guns in the maybe knives, but they do not detect plastic chivas and a lot of

things. ---- can detect maybe guns and maybe knives, but they do not detect plastic shivs and a lot of things. don't you want to pat down? if your club is hot, it is not going to stop anyone coming in. just make sure your security guards know how to do a pat down. that actually do the pat downs well. >> i will also say that every venue in and around six street does pat downs for basic safety. >> everyone passed down. -- pats down. as a safety issue, putdowns should be required.

my 2 cents. if someone could make a motion that we approve the permit, changing the permit from 8:00 to 5:00 and striking condition 16 -- you done? sorry. >> a motion to approve this permit, changing the hours from 5:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m., striking condition 16. vice chair joseph: we have a motion. do we have a stock-index -- a second? commissioner hyde: i think i'm ok. >> clarify which days of the week for item 1?

change the times. >> there was a lot of discussion. vice chair joseph: thank you very much, capt. we appreciate your input. next item, doing business as local edition, 691 market street. >> local edition is a premium cocktail bar on market street near third. the place of entertainment permit would allow them to have life spans and the jays. they received a letter of support. we do not propose additional conditions as of the start of the meeting, and recommend approval of this permit.

vice chair joseph: come on up. >> good evening, commissioners. thanks for this opportunity. we look forward to opening another great addition to the scene in san francisco. local edition is along the lines of our other the establishment. this is an extension of that concept. it is prince and cocktails served tableside, but with great entertainment along the lines of 1950's and 1960's cabaret. we are located in the historic hurts building. it is set up in two sections. one section is a museum with newspapers including the guardian and the examiner. we are ready to start having jazz bands