company. they said it does not. what >> what does wm signify? >> there are all these ways that they break it down. frequents rangcy range, words associated with technology. i do gather the 14, 65, on the letter, it has dto do with gain. they do seem to be different. i got confirmation that the model number, and even if it was a typo, doesn't exist. the antenna that they put up

does exist. president garcia: you have a hubble science degree? >> biology and environmental science. >> you're not the first well- educated person to come before us, but here is what confuses me. do you think the fcc, and i mean this respectfully, i don't want to sound at all disrespectful. how do you think the fcc and the department of public works, and i want ask you if you think that of them, but you think they are misleading you as to what the rf's are? >> no, i don't think i am being misled, but i know from my own scientific research, the standard in the scientific community, all of the studies come out and say that it is not so black and white, there needs

to be more research. it is unresolved. as fact, rf waves heat up tissues. that's fact. i know what happens to tissues when they heat up. they cause cancer. if i stay in my home, i am a renter. it would take me three years to save money to move. i want to live there for a long time. i feel like my kids will get cancer. it is my belief, but i believe it is your responsibility to look at this technology. five of you have to follow the federal agency, but look at the fda. it is a funny parallel. it's a case of not in my back yard.

the levels will be decreased by building material. the only thing between that is a piece of glass. >president garcia: have you gotten rf readings? >> they have asked me if i would be interested in having those levels taken, i have answered yes. i would not have them come into my home. h the equipment isn't on, it's not up and running. president garcia: i've been led to understand the rf's, one of those antennas -- listen to me. i'm saying a microwave oven and your cell phone emit more rf's than that box does. 9 those are choices.

i don't choose to use the microwave. president garcia: i am not asking you to keep making arguments -- >> i don't know that this is the right body for this decision to be made -- president garcia: stop. you agreed that it might be true, that is all i wanted to ask you. >> may i say one more thing, please? president garcia: when you have rebuttal, of course you may. >> thank you, president garcia and commissioners. i'm the government relations and utility counsel for crowncastle which purchased nex-g.

that entity will stay intact. as outlined in our comments, we met all of the permit requirements for wireless stocks - -bo-- for the wireleess ss box. in the past, we have come before this board and you have upheld those. we are asking that you will pull this permit as well. the requirement here is a schematic of the location in the drawing that was submitted as part of the application. we happen to have of photo of the location has constructed.

because of the suspension, we will be double checking the paint and color. if they want us to modify any type of the colors or textures, we will do that. there is a wooden pole extension, because it is new would reverse is old wooden. if you have ever had to replace a beam, the new werer -- that ie nature of wood. the site is at the appropriate height, and it also meets the standards. the nice thing about this antenna is that -- it was used. i was double-checking the

recommendations for approval. there are typos, but i went back to double and triple checked that the radio frequency report was with specifications and consistent in the application. the report for this site at this location shows it has the correct model number. a lot of people have been talking to the manufacturer about it. people will often shorthand the model number. all the assessments were done. regarding rf verification, we have absolutely offered to do this at both of the appellants

office -- houses. we hire someone. if there is another way to do these reports, we will happily comply. edison is a highly respected engineering firm in the region. we do this because we don't want people to be afraid of things there is no need to be afraid of. people do often have microwaves ,w, wi fi, routers, showing the residents that a baby monitors are another one. we have given the city the report showing the compliance with the fcc. we asked to uphold the permit based on those reasons as well as our compliance with the process and the permit under which it was granted. if you have other questions, i will happily answer them. president garcia: if there were

a box where the camera is right now, what kind of radio frequency would it be a meeting relative to the things you mentioned? >> i am not an engineer, so i can't go into the details of the engineering, but in working with a lot of engineers on this, the further you get away is an inverse square rule. it drops off very dramatically. it is not only the handset, .wrt the hands that has the power up. heat in the microwave is the power of the microwaves in a close container. because of the shielding, it doesn't teach anything outside of the microwave.

this is a low-and our location. this information cited the lowest level of exposure that means even if you are right next to the antenna thinking about your cordless phone or your wifi router, it would not have an impact vs. others where you have to have a standoff distance. if there is an end to know where you can be in proximity to it, this is like one of those. hougpresident garcia: has it evr been done where the company would report what it would be 10 feet away, and you provide data like that for individuals?

>> in the reports that we give to the city, it shows what that is projected out. and we go directly there. we give them the report and take measurements standing directly under the antenna, a certain distance is in the first interior wall. and there is questions, often, about levels. i have done this at elementary schools and with the president, with small children and elderly relatives. one gentleman was really concerned that when we measured his laptop, it showed a decent amount of rf because of the wireless card. the engineer was there to explain, it is still so far below what the fcc level is for public exposure.

they are above us, but they are not afraid they are going to hurt us, but if we touched them, they will, potentially, the very hot. rf operates in that thermal way, the closer you are, the more potential for thermal heating. in proximity, there's no heat given off at that level. president garcia: given that this facility is not operating, would you predict that they would be a measurable at all? >> no. i have measured others, and they have not registered at all even belowground. thank you. >> a quick question. sorry. i agree with the appellant,

it does not look appealing compared to the ones on the web site. why does it have to look like this? >> because it is a utility pole attachment. when you attach to a utility pole, you use a certain type of configuration to meet the coverage objective. they are very low powered as well, but a different frequency. it covers in a different way. when you attach to street lights, which is the allowance and francisco, you have to fabricate the antenna in a different way. when we see transformers -- >> she showed us this equipment

attached to label. >> of the picture was a street light that was fabricated securely with an antenna to be part of one unit as a new pole into the public right-of-way rather than attaching to an existing pool. -- pole. it's not allowed in san francisco. anything else? president garcia: thank you. >> good evening, commissioners. in our brief, we stated that there were some sort of argument stating as it relates to the notification of these

facilities, it was applied prior to the adoption. it would require me to process the spermine. there was a notification requirements required in that case. this location did not fall under planning's requirement to streets with excellent views. planning was not involved in the review of this. the equipment was forwarded to the health department for review. we understand where the confusion is. the department received a letter from the department of public

health of august 25, 2010 where on the remarks line, they stated kmw. in the body of the letter, that notation was changed to kms. it appears that the was a typo. from our understanding of this, it is still referring to the same piece of equipment. this appears to be further exasperated in january of 2011. he again, the good department of health made the same error where one letter of the description was incorrect from their header. but our understanding was it continues to remain the same piece of equipment.

the appellant commented upon the coloration of these facilities as it relates to the typical requirement of the pole. historically, it has been a challenge for the wireless companies to try to match. it is either dark brown or gray based upon colorations. the department will provide additional directions. during the application, this is

on the overhead that shows you the approximately view of that facility which appears to match what is installed. while we empathize, and the requirement was passed by the government that the wireless facilities have their right to place it in the public right of way and it of what he's the city to process the variety of permits. >> are there two antennas? >> that is correct. two facing two directions in one housing. as you can see on top. >> they look sleeker, they seem to be closer together than what

has actually been built. >> or one of the issues is how the bracket amounts are set up through the installation process. it would be best to explain why it would be, necessarily, tighter. we have tried to match the shade of the utility bullhead. excuse me. there were comments related to the notification on the poles. in our brief, the notification was for utility workers that will be on the pole in close proximity to the antenna. this is part of the requirement

for possible exposure to people working in very close proximity to these facilities so that they know what the issues are. please be advised also that upon renewal, and given that there is article 25, that is new, a next year will be required to comply with the new regulations pending a court decision. in those cases, moving forward, if this facility -- there will be notification moving forward upon renewals. i am here to answer any questions you may have. president garcia: some point

was made having to do with the fact that most streets marked a good are in wealthier areas. i know that is something that planning does. >> it is a planning definition for streets with good views and above. it could be a situation where the views were identified -- it creates an increase in property values. president garcia: forgive me, you might have done it. i was looking for something. did you address the height of the base of this equipment issue? >> this facility and has multiple pieces of equipment. one of them is a pg &e meter.

president garcia: that is pretty discriminatory against people like shaquille o'neal and other tall people. >> any public comment? you are one of the appellants, right? you can speak under rebuttal, but you cannot speak under public comment. we will move into a bottle. you have three minutes. -- rebuttal. you have three minutes. >> i am not afraid of this technology. i do not fear anything about this. i did want to say a couple of things. i do not know if this is the kind of forum to have this decision made. what i what so bad is to have

been denied their permit and take this back to the appropriate forum for discussion. maybe that is the planning department. many other cities buried this equipment underground. why aren't we doing that in san francisco? it is not like we do not want the technology. we all want our computers to move faster. but it is how it is being placed in the city. they have a right to put this equipment and a public way, but san francisco has a right to oversee the whereabouts. i found a case in new york were this particular village, at the same thing was happening to them. a visually similar to box and antennas. the people were so distraught by it. they agreed to provide a slimmed down version. i have seen the pictures and it is so much different. why aren't we doing that? when i presented my request, i

felt the board made it clear that it was not your place to consider esthetics. i found a course case where the judge did determine that local governments are allowed to consider esthetics. it is not the health concern. i am not afraid of this technology. but i think about san francisco as a whole and our standard of living. it is not this. if this was happening outside your home, maybe things would be different. people are just starting to see these boxes. but there are a lot of them in the city. pick it back to a department that will make better decisions about how this -- kicked back to a department that will make better decisions about how this technology is used. i just wanted to consider those things, thank you. i will make one more comment.

when the -- when i asked the department of public works to provide me with that letter that the department of health had a typo. the letter was dated in august. that was the only letter that they provided me. in the department of public works response, there was another letter dated january. they were very similar. in the first letter, they talked about one antenna. in the second letter, they talked about two antennas. i think there are discrepancies in what happened between conversations between agencies. discrepancies that are valid not to revoke the permit. thank you. >> aside from the scientific value, i have a middle school

down the way and kids go buy it every day. i would like to see that out of the way, more high -- higher and more discreet. >> thank you. any rebuttal? >> the white house, a couple of times. that is out of our control -- the height has, up a couple of times. that is out of our control. we do not have any flexibility over that because pg an &e has a standard meter. regarding the aesthetics and the underground, that is a longer conversation. in general, you look at what is going on in the neighborhood. this neighborhood is not an

underground area. there is equipment, when you are evaluating the impact, you look at the facility. planning has approved a much larger facilities than desperate we have much larger facilities throughout the country. -- planning has approved a much larger facility. we have much larger facilities to allow the country. sometimes it can be smaller, but for this technology, it needs to be in a box of this size. that is one of the more -- is one of the smaller ones out there. it is only 2 inches wider than it would be to be a tier one. president garcia: what is the meter that is 6 feet 8 inches off the ground metering?

>> a that is pg &e's meter. that is their standard. it is me during the power. president garcia: of? >> of the pit -- of the equipment on the pole. president garcia: that is how they built you? -- bill you? >> if you look at any of the utility poles with the comcast battery supply, you will see the meter at 7 6. all the comcast meters are at 7 feet 6 inches as well. president garcia: comcast meters.

>> if the box is separate -- is on a separate bracket, we could. when we put the box is higher, that was interfering with second story of views. we kept them lower in order to not interfere with second story of views. >> the internet itself, is there are recent there cannot just be one -- and the antenna itself, is there a reason there cannot just be one antenna? >> in order to get the coverage, there has to be two of them. there are other locations that only have one, but you have to try to meet the demand so it can pick up the signals from a certain area. it is not particularly large. the antenna is put in itself -- is put into a round shroud. fairmount to gather at the top