aspect is by time and place. there are some gaps in commercial areas where we currently do not have metered parking. in some cases, we have no managed parking and we would -- these are small areas throughout the city. vistas to reflect any large area or gaps either because land use has changed or they had never been installed. the other one which i recognized is significant is parking meters on sundays. wheat currently accept important meters with enforcement except on sundays. this would extend that to sunday's but would start at noon instead of in the morning and have for our time limits in

recognition of different kinds of activities that happen on sundays. while there is certainly a revenue component of parking on sundays, it is consistent with our transit first policy. our analysis shows parking utilization on sundays throughout the city for the most part is that 100%. it is virtually impossible for people to find parking on sundays. there are parking management benefits and transit first benefits as well as relatively modest revenue that would come from the meters on sundays. supervisor chu: on the parking meter items, could you break down the value on what they are?

>> the pass through is about $5 million per year. sunday enforcement is all will last. we would be implementing this part way through the fiscal year. in the second year, the net benefit is $1.9 million and the balance would be for the parking meters. >> we are taught -- supervisor chu: we are talking about between $900,000 and $1 million the first year and that 5 million state pass through -- that would be 5 million on year to? >> that is for your one. the budget for yoear two -- supervisor chu: there were

concerns about being able to prepay for a longer time not to disrupt service. can you do that for meters that have not been upgraded? >> my understanding is all of our meters can be programmed to enable prepay. that is something we will do. we will be putting together an implementation working group with various stakeholders so we can have an opportunity to hear feedback like that. one of the issues is would -- we would be able to allow for prepayment of meters. if you pull up at 11:00 and will be their past noon, you can feed the meter or pay by phone and it won't start ticking down the time until noon. people won't have to park, go somewhere and then come back at noon in order to feed the meter. supervisor chu: one of the things we have heard is for some

of the new meters, it is relatively simple to program a four hour time limit or two hour time limit, whatever the city determines should be the best marker to set. for existing meters, do you have to manually go and do things to it or change the signs? >> this will require a sign a change and changes to the meters. there is definitely an implementation component that we will have to make changes. we go and make sure that meters and signs are all consistent. if you had only be upgraded meters at the moment, you would not necessarily need to -- you would have to take down the old signs. would be right on the meter about the time limitations are. because you have not implemented the upgrades, you would have to manually -- >> the work will vary by a the

type of meters and the prevailing sign it on any given block. supervisor kim: we have actually talked about making meters more consistent throughout the city to make sure people don't have to guess what time they start or end. some start at 7:00, some start at 8:00, some start at 9:00. most meters seem to end at 6:00. has there been -- i think one of the biggest questions we get is people are confused and it's hard to read. i have a hard time beating through the glass with the hours are. has there been any movement trying to make it consistent throughout the city? >> the port does currently in force meters seven days a week and generally until 11:00 p.m.

so there is precedent here in san francisco for those kinds of times, hours and days. the newer leaders have better visibility. some of the ones that went out on the properties where we have got a lot of feedback about the visibility that we will address in any new meter procurement, but in terms of the stop and start times, what we are really trying to do is demand response of pricing. we don't want to be enforcing meters when the demand is not there to support it. we want to be able to do so when it is. but the nature of different sounds in the city i'm not sure lends itself to a one size fits all 9:00 till 6:00 time band. we are trying to work on

simplifying and that we have a lot of different rules and regulations that we want to simplify but i'm not sure they are going to a standard stop and start time citywide it is bad -- is what is going to make the most sense. we are redeveloping all of our parking management policies so that we can make them as clear as possible. we are endeavoring to make silage but we are really trying to match supply with demand which is something we have never done and nobody has done. the initial response from the pilot has been very positive, so going in that direction probably would not support standard time frames across the city. we want to make sure people have good information about where they are and what the rules are at that location.

supervisor chu: i think it is hon. we are trying to move to market demand but when the differences between one hour or two hours and we say it's about management and not necessarily enforcement, i don't know if any government agency has the capacity to do that level of outrage -- level of outreach. i don't think many departments have that level of capacity to be able to outreach to folks. i worry about folks where english is not their first language. the more differences you have throughout the city, i think you are just catching people and opening opportunities for them to get tickets. i disagree with that. i understand. i think is a good goal and i think it accomplishes one objective but the other objective is having a

simplified transparent process everyone understands and as much as you can standardize the hours, i think that is going to make everyone much happier and that should be part of our measure or part of the goal to try to make it as understandable and simple for our residents. >> i hear you and i appreciate the sentiment. for the most part, we have a good amount of consistency on the stop and start time frames. i think based on a history of the department to accommodate very localized, specific needs, we have a lot of different start and stop times. i think that is where we get feedback and there is confusion. when does this spot become a

tollways own which can have a very high cost if they come back and their car is gone. that area, i totally agree. i would say that one measure of indication of how confusing is the amount of citations we are in issuing and we don't want to do that just because someone doesn't understand. but overall, the number of citations is not going down. maybe people take more care not to get one, which is good. but i hear you on the consistency and making sure the information is clear. it is a point well taken and if you mention that to me previously and we are striving to wherever we can make things

as consistent as possible. the reason for a delayed start on sunday is looking at the parking availability and understanding the nature of commercial activity on sunday verses saturday, that activity does start later and there is currently availability in the morning. it is the afternoon where spaces are completely locked up. supervisor chu: thank you. i have tried to peer through many meters and there is a condensation and if there is any way to improve that, that would be helpful. i'm sure you have received a ton of feedback on the new meters. some of them are quite complicated. it's hard to understand how much money you are putting in at how much time you are getting. if there is any way to improve on that as you embark on implementation for upgrades to meters, that would be helpful. even for someone like me you can read english, it is still

confusing. >> improving the readability and usability is only an element we will be striving for us. the technology is getting better and the initial digital ones definitely had some shortcomings. supervisor wiener: thank you. i apologize again for having stepped out but i did see the presentation. i think i know you said. first, want to compliment you and the staff at mta. i think the vast majority of the budget is incredibly positive and the fact that mta is finally making significant investments is in and of itself, if that is

the only new thing you are doing in the budget, that would be incredibly positive and i think it's a testament to your leadership and the leadership of senior staff. the agency is really moving in the right direction and in finally implementing the tep and the fact that we are finally going to be seeing some of those improvements in the next year caw i think it is an exciting thing and i'm thrilled about the progress around tax season. if that is a big issue for me and i think there is finally momentum within the agencies to be the taxi system as an essential part of the transportation system and not just something to extract revenue from more what ever the attitude may have been in the

past. i have been public and spoken to you all about on not a fan of the sunday meters. i completely understand the policy rationale for it in theory. i also know that even though the patterns have changed in the last 50 years in terms of activity on sunday, i also know patterns have developed taking into account that there are no meters on sunday. i think that is why we have seen the reaction we have seen and it is sort of frustrating for us as elected officials because the voters took a lot of the power away from the board and gave it to the semi- autonomous mta 13 years ago, that there were a lot of

positives about that because of the board can't monkey with muni in the way it has done in the past. when you have these very specific things like a sunday leader that people have very strong views about, i have met very few people who support it. it is frustrating to have to respond. my only remedy is to veto a $1.6 billion two-year budget, which is a huge sledgehammer and all sorts of ramifications. thought i am hoping that mta will work with the board as we go through our full budget process. is something that has a lot of impact for a lot of people throughout the city.

i just wanted to put that out there. >> we have certainly heard some of that the back and you raise an important point. i certainly respect that we have not been managing parking sunday and people have been developing patterns on that. there is certainly developed habits concerning that, so i don't want to underestimate that changing that and beginning to manage something, beginning to charge something that had been free before is going to feel very disruptive and is not going to be something a lot of people welcome. i fully acknowledge that. any kind of change is difficult.

this kind of changes perhaps more difficult. i do believe it is supported by good policy and i think part of the thinking behind this in 1999 was to take the board of supervisors out of this policy decision for this reason, whether we all agree with it or not. i understand your constituents are coming to you and the mayor's constituents are coming to him, voicing concerns with this and other aspects of the mta. i would be happy to work with the board. we are putting together an implementation working group where the various affected stakeholders will have an opportunity to highlight where there are pension points work things that might be unworkable and we will try to deal with

those as we can. much of what we heard in the public commentary is arguably addressed and i recognize there are so many people who are not satisfied with the plan as it is and we would be happy to work with you on it. i do want to note that we had both are citizens advisory council as well as a stakeholder group i had put together to look at different aspects of our budget. both will be all of what i had an april in terms of revenue and expenditure items. those groups supported for the most part what is in this budget, including the parking management elements. it wasn't just me sitting in a room. we did get support from those

bodies and we did do five town hall meetings and had two or three budget hearings. to the extent that is relevant, it did get some support. >>supervisor wiener: i do recognize that and other supervisors may have raised this but the importance of modernizing and meters -- i know you are all working very hard on this. i don't know what percentage, but it is pretty high. they're not credit-card compatible. in terms of the other issues, i seek is so critical. i know there are proposals to

put more meters in parts of the city and to extend meters in various ways. if any or all of that happens, i don't know if any of that should happen unless we are actually making a really easy for people to pay. i know that there is a timetable for that and i hope i can be accelerated as much as possible. finally, my last question is about several other parking management issues that i think our constant fear it since for a lot of people. i have spoken with both of you about the residential parking permit program, which in my personal view is problematic and arbitrary and have people who live on a block -- it doesn't have to our parking surrounded

by a bunch of blocks that do, so they can't park anywhere if they can happen to find a parking spot on their block. i think it's something that requires re-examination. the whole commercial yellows of and white zone is one that requires re-examination. in the castro recently, of the yellows sones were extended to a really late hour in the afternoon. all it does is 40% of the spots are yellow and it causes a lot of disruption and there are quite a few businesses that have a lot of white sones. i'm hoping the agency will globally reevaluate all of those because that would free up parking for the neighborhood.

>> i touched briefly on both of those points. we are putting out a rfp soon. we are testing a bunch of them in the field now to try to get the usability issues, but that is coming, which is good news. we are reviewing and revising all of our parking management guidelines and policies. so in terms of the process for and criteria for yellow's funds and white stones, i spoke in response to a similar concern about the variability of these hours and why they going until 4:00 i castro street when they are not needed. we are looking at that globally in terms of policy and we will

go back to areas where we have either got incomplete sort of things are out of whack and we will potentially readjust. with the residential permit parking, we are looking at the process by which we designate the residential parking and we will based on your comments, incorporate the whole petition orientation of the program which is how many other programs of the city have done though it's probably not the most logical way to do it. supervisor chu: thank you for your questions about the yellow's ounce. i have heard that about a number of communities. i would suggest you check in with david chiu about chinatown. supervisor cohen: you have

accomplished a lot in a short time and i wasn't here for the presentation because i was working on another matter in gao, but we went over the proposal. you have done a good job repairing the relationship between the department and the transportation workers union. very important we have a high morale of those operating our buses. a good job in trying to change that culture of a sour disposition and taking a more positive. i also want to acknowledge the bike lanes you put down, especially along the cesar chavez. and the changes you made to the strollers, it has been quite remarkable. you made changes to the taxis and the change in the road is

very painful. it's no secret that last year i was pretty vocal in terms of writing a letter with my concerns about the rolling out of the meter program into north mission and other parts. i found your office was responsive than thoughtful not only in responding to the e-mail but in taking time to attend public meetings. i am confident the mta is moving in a positive, thoughtful direction not just to the users of the public transportation system, but to the entire direction the city needs to be going. that said, i am still uncomfortable and i am not there

with you when it comes to parking meters. i am a little uncomfortable with parking meters on sunday. i want to continue to have that conversation as we go through the budget process. i have to echo the concerns commissioner leader is concerned about. this is a thumbs-up or thumbs down vote. in some ways it does take pressure off of us because there are more things in the budget i do like that those i am uncomfortable with but it doesn't allow that flexibility to make some changes and i hope we can make some more changes as it relates to the overall plan. one thing i want to give a voice to is the churches. most churches begin service at 8:00 or 10:00 or some even as late as 11. there are other instances where

a smaller church will rent out a larger church and generally their church services start after the host church and. these communities are generally english as a second language. my home church is a career in church that rents it out. after our churches that, there are services began and it's oftentimes around 11:30 or 12:00 and they're going later into the afternoon. i can think of a spanish speaking church on industrial with a similar situation. i want to be open and honest when talking about our concerns, but that is how i am approaching this discussion about public leaders. -- public meters. >> thank you.

i have only gotten halfway through slide 5 on my presentation, so you didn't miss much. thank you for the kind remarks. i want to take credit. there is a great team that mta and there are a lot of good things movie before word -- moving full word. with regard to sundays, i hear you on that. one thing i would say is for any activity on sunday that happens before noon, there is no change. for activities afternoon, i would argue by managing parking for those churches in metered areas, and many are not, but for those who are, parking availability will increase as a result of managing parking.

it arguably may be easier for people to find parking close to their churches. they will have to pay for it. we are, not creating no parking zone, just metered parking. people crossing the bridge have to pay the bridge tolls and people would have to pay for parking just like any other day of their week. i look for to working with you throughout the process. supervisor chu: i want to request from the audience, but i would ask that you be respectful of the speakers when they tried to explain the rationale for some of these items we are considering. i know we are probably going to move on to the other components of your budget, but i have never been a fan of