agency status question. you should know that supervisors newsom, sandobal, and daly did draft a peace with 14 sentences. it immediately operated ethics as an agency, independent from you all and the mayor and everyone else. i want to thank supervisor campos for talking about the two requirements that must predicate an amendment to the code. that is supermajority and further. it does have to further the purposes of the act. an easy way to handle that is to require that findings be demonstrated for each amended -- amendment being proposed to the code. i think that would be a good examination for us, to be sure

that there is a legal justification for proceeding. otherwise, you might find ourselves in court. this came up when bob stern came up with the mechanism. it was his intent that there be findings to show how the purposes of the acts are furthered. the main response to the arizona decision by the u.s. supreme court is very instructive. we immediately proposed a repeal, but they threw it to a public toin maine and came up with remedies, two of which they forwarded to the legislature. we did not do that. our committee voted to repeal the act. thank you very much. >> first and foremost, i was the

proponent for proposition f. i encountered a it rogue developer that spent $10 million. we, the people, spend $5,000. you need to think about this, referencing all the amendments that are made in this legislation. i would like to see an independent body. this ethics commission is not an independent body. therefore, item #6 and item number seven, and one of you means well. the other one does not mean well. you are going to send it back to the ethics commission that is dealing with ross mirkarimi and all of those things. what focus will be given to the agenda items? that is my concern. supervisors, whether we like it or not, we need to have an

independent body where people do not take instructions from outside. right now, we have very corrupt politicians. let me repeat, very, very corrupt politicians. and i come from a federal agency. i even worked for law enforcement. we know these people. and they influenced every level in this city and county of san francisco. some of you are influenced by a politician. he can make one call and you will just do as he says. some of you will not. but some of you will. and so, supervisors, look at an independent agency to do the right thing. thank you very much. >> good afternoon. i want to speak to you as a

journalist. particularly in the paragraph u, regarding internet advertisements. i think the language needs more precision in terms of who can and cannot pay. also, i think we need some assurances that journalists and others who write paid blogs for the likes of salon.com and politico.com, will not be considered in violation of paid advertisements. i have proposed some new language for this. it is a bit longer, but a bit more precise. and it is not necessarily perfect, but i think it can be a starting point for revising the language of u language. it contains it"nothing in this

section is intended to discourage the use of the and that four persons for whom such communications are a regular source of income." i plan to get with my union on this. you may be hearing from the union or not. i want to leave you with this thought. these amendments would appear to reduce transparency in the political process. each of you could be affected by that. each of you may at some point be frustrated by the reduction in transparency. do you want to assure yourself in the foot on that? -- to shoot yourself in the foot on that? >> hello again. i just wanted to agree with supervisor campos and some other speakers. in light of the supreme court throwing out contribution

limits from all kinds of wealth the entities, this is not the time to reduce transparency. it is not the time to reduce disclosure. also, i had an idea about the staffing of the ethics commission. supervisors have volunteers on their staff. i wondered if there was a way to get volunteers in there to help with some of the work. such as, perhaps, from six classes, if there are any left in high school. something like that. that is a suggestion. i have another suggestion. perhaps he might like to request a comparison of san francisco and l.a. public financing systems with portland, ore., which did have full public financing until the supreme court threw out the fair fight funds part of it. however, i am not sure if -- how

portland compares in size to san francisco. for some years, they have had actual voter-owned elections. you might want to look at that. a few years ago, the ethics commission or someone was going to look into public financing for san francisco. i never heard what happened with that. >> thank you. i neglected to give you three letters that i was asked to provide from people who could not be here today. one is from the vernal heights democratic club. one is from commissioner maufas on the board of education. another one is from gabriel holland. supervisor wiener: are there any other members of the public who wish to speak in public comment?

seeing none, can we close public comment? as i indicated at the beginning, i appreciate all the public comment today. i do not necessarily agree with every characterization that has been made today, but i am not going to go through point by point and express where i agree or disagree. we are going to send this back to the ethics commission for further discussion to make sure that we are furthering our shared goal of transparency and disclosure. while also doing what we can to improve the process to the extent possible. members of the committee, i would request that the committee continue this with a request to the ethics commission to take up the matter for further deliberation. supervisor campos: thank you. i want to thank all of the members of the public who has come -- who have come out to speak on this item. i also want the bank, in

advance, the ethics commission and their staff for taking these items into further consideration. i also want to take the opportunity to thank the city attorney's office. they do good work on these issues and their expertise is always greatly appreciated. i really believe that we have a real opportunity here, in san francisco, to make sure that we talk notwithstanding the context of what the supreme court has decided, that we become a model for how a city can have the most transparent and accountable to read possible. i believe that all this in this room are committed to making that happen -- all of us in this room are committed to making that happen and i am excited about the possibility, i look

forward to working with supervisor wiener in making sure we do get to that point. and i do not think that the intent is different. there are different perhaps ways of getting to that objective. i will make a motion to continue this item to the call of the chair and request respectfully the ethics commission consider these items. the one thing i would add to that for the ethics commission is i hope that it is not just one meeting or is a technical effort to provide outreach to do a public hearing. it is a meaningful and robust process. the more people are engaged in these issues, the better it is. i know that to the extent that anyone of us whether it is in my office or supervisor wiener's office need to be part of that, to help with that.

the last thing i will say is i want to take an opportunity to help landeta who is an intern in my office from the goldman public policy school and uc- berkeley who has done an amazing job in sort of jumping into these issues and understanding the implications of some of the proposals and grappling with the complexity of it. i make that motion to move this item to continue this item to the call of the chair. supervisor campos: thank you. we do have a motion to continue this to the call of the chair. i want to thank supervisor wiener and supervisor avalos. i do appreciate we will be giving additional time to referring it to the ethics commission to give it greater community outreach and input. i want to acknowledge the concern about how we do outrage.

-- outreach. it is hard to sometimes get folks and i completely get that. if we get a schedule of hearings, my office is happy to do outreach. the ethics commission does have elected funding and staffing to do that sort of average -- outrage -- outreach. i had four on my campaign who were attorneys and we would still make complaints -- mistakes. we all want to comply with ethics laws. sometimes you have to pay for those services but i do agree with the rates and the spending cap. there is clearly some room for us to be able to make those expenditures. i do think that came from a good place. i do not think that came from my way to skirt our spending

limitations but i look forward to continuing to work with both offices. there are a number of issues that were brought up by the members of the public and it was good to hear. the potential impact -- that might be made. supervisor wiener: thank you. i will reverse what i said about not disputing. i want to comment on the compliance cost issue. it will be moved because it is no longer necessary given the increased cap. there has been in recent days and to extend at this hearing. there are some good faith disagreements. there has been a bit of hyperbole. one of them is about the compliance costs. of course, every campaign in the world would love to have that superstar volunteer treasurer who is so good at keeping books and reports and understand a lot

including the many, many, many reports that are required to be followed -- file that will have full disclosure and do it in a way that will not give you in trouble and fined. everyone would love to have that person and i have been on a campaign tour you have some volunteer who is a retired accountant who knows what they're doing and is a phenomenal job. a lot of campaigns whether you are the wealthiest campaign in the world -- many do not have access to that person. you have a choice of having a volunteer who may have a volunteer who may be there at some points but other -- not at other times, who may make a good-faith mistakes. or hiring someone. i do not like the cost of hiring.

especially for a link the race. it is not cheap and it can accumulate. someone commented adding the 14 dozen dollars would have added to the cap would have somehow increased the cap. that would have increased under the old scheme to $157,000, compared that to the increase of $250,000 that the sport red -- enacted. the criticism of the cost provision we will move, that criticism was not warranted. at least in the supervisor races. it did make sense under the lower cap. i want to make those comments because sometimes people assume you are trying to do something nefarious one that is not at all the case. thank you. supervisor kim: thank you. thank you to members of the

public. this is a link the hearing so we appreciate you sticking around. supervisor campos: i have a concern about that specific provision but i do not think there was anything nefarious about the intent. supervisor kim said it was coming from that good place. i do not agree that there was ill intent in any of that. supervisor kim: wheat -- we do have a motion to continue this to the call of the chair and we can do that without opposition. thank you. madam clerk, could you please call items a310? >> >> would you like to entertain a motion to move into closed session regarding a310 on existing litigation -- 8 through

10 on existing litigation? supervisor kim: is there any public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. we can do that without opposition. we're now convening in closed session. we ask members of >> we met in closed session to discuss what does -- litigation. supervisor campos: we have made this motion to move it forward with recommendation. supervisor kim: we can do that without opposition. are there any other announcements? >> no.

supervisor kim: meeting is adjourned.

>> you probably think you know all about the exploratorium. but have you ever been after dark? did you know there was a monthly

party called after dark? science mixes with culture and adults mix with other adults. no kids allowed. every week there is a different theme. to tell us about the themes is melissa alexander. tell us about some of the previous themes we have had. >> we have had sex ploration, sugar, red, blue. many things. >> what is the theme tonight? >> rock, paper, scissors. we are having a tournament tonight, but we have also used as a jumping off point to explore lots of different ideas. you can find out about rock, paper, scissors as a game as a reproductive strategy. you can interact with a piece of art created by lucky dragon.

you can get your hair cut from a cool place called the public barber's salon. they use scissors only. you can find out about local geology, too. >> that sounds like fun. let's check it out. >> this is the most common rock on the surface of the earth. interesting thing is, most of this rock is covered over by the ocean. >> error congested a cool presentation on plate tectonics. tell us about what we just saw. >> we wrapped up a section of a lesson on a plate tectonics, here at the exploratory and -- exploritorium. >> are you excited to see people here having fun and learning about science? >> the people that come here are some selected to begin with,

they actually enjoy science. i teach teachers to have fun with their kids. the general public is a great audience, too. they're interested in science. >> we have a blast every time. they have different names. >> they have a bar and a cafe. everything i need. we are excited for the speaker. >> it is nice to be in the exploratorium when there are not a lot of kids around. >> before tonight, i never knew there were major league rules to rock, paper, scissors. i am getting ready to enter into a competition. sarah's here to give me some tips. what do i need to do to win it? >> this is a game of chance, to a degree. one of the best ways to bring it home is a degree of intimidation, maybe some eye contact, maybe some muscle. it is a no contact sport.

sheer i contact is a good way to maybe intimidate to see if you can set them off, see if they throw something they did not mean to. >> i am going to see what happens. >> i got kicked out in the first round. [applause] >> given up for sunni. the rock, paper, scissors champion. >> what are you going to do now? >> i have been having so much fun. i got my tattoo. before we go, i want to thank melissa alexander for having us here tonight. how did you know san francisco needed a night like tonight? >> thank you for coming. everybody loves the exploratorium. we are reluctant to push the kids out of the way in the day,