chief coming from san diego does not need to come the night before. san diego is not a tough place. people do it every day. >> i understand but i know you are a practicing lawyer as well and you probably prepare witnesses before they testified. we will need a little time to consult with the chief. chairperson hur: ok. on the 28, we may hear from the share of. we will certainly hear from him by the 29th. the 29th, we will hear from the mayor and any other experts. we then need a date to hear testimony from ms. haynes and i think we should, whatever that date is, hold that we could get

them to the extent they need to be cross-examined. >> based on some conflicts among lawyers, i think the earliest we would be able to do that would be july 16. chairperson hur: i am sorry. the commissioners just got the schedule. is july 16 available for all of the commissioners? that is monday, july 16. >> it is not. chairperson hur: ok. i guess this is a question to the commission staff. there are no rooms available from the 17th to the 20th? >> it is possible that this room

is available. in the evening. but we have to double check the schedules of who is meeting during the day. also with sfg tv to see if they have broadcast slots available. for those evenings, if you wish to meet, we can schedule them tentatively and hopefully they stayed together. i would recommend doing that. chairperson hur: right. mr. kopp, you look like he wanted to say something. >> i just won the task. our weekends out? chairperson hur: yes. the building is closed on weekends.

>> mizzola was there on sunday. we also reservations on the 20th, 23rd, 24, 27, and 30th. chairperson hur: the 20 it will not work after all writ -- the 20th will not work after all. here is what i propose. i want this to be clear, on the record. i propose that council reserved the 17th through the 19th -- wait, we need to make sure the commissioners can make that. between the 17th and 19th, are commissioners available on any of those days? >> i will need to check the 17th. the 18th and 19th are ok. chairperson hur: ok.

why don't we have everyone, for the moment, blocked out on their calendars the 18th and 19th as potential days. does that work for council? >> yes. >> i am sorry. during the day or during the evening? >> evening. >> there is not any time we can get a full day and get it done in one sitting? >> not on those days. >> and you are releasing the 20th? chairperson hur: i am releasing the 20th. the 23rd, i think, is unavailable because of other availability. it looks like we have the 24 of july as a possibility. >> that is available all day.

chairperson hur: july 24, is that -- >> i am supposed to start a trial the day before. it could easily result. i could try to continue that case so we can get this done. i am assuming that this is if the 18th and 19th are not available. chairperson hur: is there a conflict with the evening of the 18th and 19th among commissioners? >> i can move what i have. chairperson hur: apologies for the difficulty here. >> if i am the only problem on the 23rd, i can adjust that. chairperson hur: ok. thank you.

we appreciate that. is the 23rd available? no. >> that is when i am supposed to start my trial. even if it does get resolved, i will have to be there to resolve it. the 24th would be better because i will file a motion to continue the case. chairperson hur: i think we should leave open the evening of the 18th and 19th. it is possible we will have one witness and it is possible we will have up to 3. i do not see a situation with more than three witnesses. is that fair? i do not think we need both of those days. i think we can get it done in one evening. with madison and mertens, there is a possibility but you look skeptical. >> i am not skeptical. i think we may be able to resolve the objections.

we will see. chairperson hur: ok. if people could block out the evening of the 18th and 19th, we will hopefully need only one and be able to finish the testimony by that time. >> but not the 17th? chairperson hur: the 17th, this sounds like there is some commissioner on availability. -- unavailability. chairperson hur: perhaps we should do another schedule and call shortly to nail down dates. ok. any objections to the july 17 -- i am sorry, 18th or 19th as another hearing date? assuming we can getms. haynes here one of those days. >> no.

>> should we lockdown the 24th if we can, just in case? chairperson hur: 24, mr. kopp may be in trial. i am reluctant to schedule it. certainly, if your case resolve's shortly, it might be helpful to have that available, but as of now, i do not think we should. >> i will see if i can figure that out. chairperson hur: ok. exhibit list. do you all exchange exhibit lists today? >> we prepared it. we had some technical

difficulties filing. it will still be filed. chairperson hur: ok. you all will get copies of your respective a the lists. we have made rulings today that affect a number of the exhibits. do you want to resubmit exhibit lists tomorrow in light of our rulings today? >> may be just the same exhibit list with a notation of what the ruling was would make sense. for the record of what we have. >> we would like that have until wednesday. we are in the process of filing the exhibit list based in part on the response of the receipt of declarations from mr. mertens and miss madison. chairperson hur: who would be the sponsoring witness? >> they are voluminous. i cannot tell you off the top of my head. chairperson hur: ok.

can you describe the nature of these exhibits? what are they? >> some of them are transcripts of interviews with ms. madison and mr. mertens. police interviews with those individuals. also a transcript of an interview with miss williams. also, other documents we would like to submit relative to the sheriff's declaration. documents relative to nearly all of the declarations. there are many of them and i do not have all of them memorized and ready to go immediately writ i think i could have them by wednesday. chairperson hur: i thought that you all were exchanging the exhibit lists today. i will give you to the close of business tomorrow to its trains them with whatever notations you want.

the parties need to exchange so that the -- so that you all can submit whatever objections you may have to documents and get them to us so that we them by the 28. i expected and that thing the commission agreed with me that we expected to see all documents that you intended to introduce in the case with your declarations. if you are talking about rebuttal exhibits or exhibits that you would use to impeach a witness, to me, i do not think these need to be on exhibit lists. i welcome the views of my fellow commissioners. it sounds like that is the type of evidence you are talking about. >> to some extent, that is true. there may be some exhibits that we would wish to submit for impeachment purposes without

necessarily calling the witness. chairperson hur: you want to introduce an exhibit to impeach a witness who is not here to testify? to be cross-examined? >> i am not saying we definitely want to do that but i am holding that out as a possibility. given the strict rules of evidence do not apply, we would also have exhibits in mind that we would like to submit in the interest of time. it may not make sense to cross- examine a witness for said. on the other hand, there may be exhibits, transcripts of interviews that maybe probative for your deliberations. >> at that point, you could give them as the other exhibits and testimony that you have admitted or will admit.

give them the weight that you think they deserve. chairperson hur: that is not what i had in mind for how exhibits would work. i know we have a number of litigators on this and we all have our views. i would welcome the thoughts of my fellow commissioners. >> what i anticipated is that each side would supply the other with a list of exhibits they intend to put in. if there are any foundation objections, those would be flaws. hopefully, there will not be or there will be very few. the question is whether or not the document is admissible without any testimony. again, you may have agreement on that. if you do not, then those documents can be identified and

presented to us and we can rule on them whenever you want to put them in. if you alerted us, at the beginning, for those where there is no challenge to the foundation of the document and the only challenge goes to whether or not they are admissible, for whatever reason, there might be an objection. if those are all going to be used in connection with the presentation of a witness, that is one way to do it. the other way is by saying, offering them the case. that is my understanding. chairperson hur: thank you. any other use? >> i did expect -- i know the rules of evidence are being very relaxed, but i did expect the sponsor and witnessed for the exhibits unless there was a stipulation of some sort.

when you say transcripts of interviews, what are you referring to? >> miss madison and mr. mertens and ms. williams were all interviewed by police. there are transcripts of those interviews. similarly to the transcripts -- well, it is not similar at all. earlier admitted the court transcripts from ms. flores' testimony gary >> we reserve on that but that is foreign testimony, correct? >> yes. you do not have to admit them. we do intend to submit them. then you can make a decision whether or not you want to admit them as admissible. >> under your scenario, would we get them in time to allow us to have the witness in person to

reconcile the documentary offer for the previous interview transcript with live testimony? if it came in late in the process, that could make it difficult. if we knew it was coming early on, it might signal that we wanted certain witnesses available. or we might feel that it did not trigger that and it was reconciled without them. >> i am not sure the question that you ask, but i can say that i will get the closing party and the commission, our exhibit list by the close of business tomorrow. chairperson hur: that would be great. if we could have objections by the end of friday. is that possible?

>> i am a little confused and seeking clarification. in the scheduling conversations we had had with commissioner hur, we discussed all together submitting a exhibits and a procedure whereby by today, both sides would submit the exhibits that did not come in through a declaration. that is what we have been prepared to submit. we only have four submissions. we have given to our evidence for declarations. it is unclear to me now if there is a whole new process where we are starting with objections to everybody's documents. are we just talking about this subset of documents or is the door wide open again? >> my understanding was that any

documents -- any documentary evidence not submitted with the declaration that you intended to lose -- that you intended to use would be included on the exhibit list. i am proposing that we extend the deadline until tomorrow because it sounds like there were some technical difficulties and there are some telephone records that needed redacting. perhaps that can all be done and we can have these lists in a complete form by the end of the day tomorrow. that is my point. by friday, i would like to see -- or monday, if that is too soon for it. the process i thought we were discussing if you would meet and confer, stipulate to those documents which there was no objection. if there were objections, there would be submitted so we would be able to rule on them. >> is the commission going to

entertain objections to a -- two documents attached to declarations you have are the reviewed? or is that topic close now? >> if we have sustained an objection to a paragraph that includes an exhibit, that document is out. >> would there be a second chance to object to other exhibits in the same declaration that has party -- that had already been considered? chairperson hur: i was not anticipating that. i think we are all talking about the same thing. please let me know if we are not. >> i am not, in any way, criticizing. it is just difficult to get clarity later if i do not have it today. >> we will endeavor to is to a press release that summarizes all of our decisions today. >> there is one documentary submission that we gave notice of and that is that we will be ultimately submitting some of

sheriff mirkarimi under the party admission rule. i want to wait until he testifies because our submission after he testifies would be smaller than it would be before he testifies. that is, if he is going to testify. there is no need to submit public statements that reflect those facts. what i would like to do is wait until after he has testified to submit those admissions. chairperson hur: i would like to allow a mr.kopp and mr. wagner to address that. chairperson hur: that is fine -- >> that is fine with us. chairperson hur: ok. that is fine by me. >> this chair will be called by you and your case and chief.

is it agreeable, mr. kopp, that you or whenever council is handling it, are you going to wait and put him on when you put your case on? >> we will do it at the same time. chairperson hur: in that case, we would allow some leeway on the redirect. >> the objections to the exhibits will be submitted by the end of the day tomorrow are due when? chairperson hur: the objections should be due by monday. the 25th. again, the point is to give you guys a chance to stipulate where stipulation is opprobrious so that we do not have to deal with an objection every single exhibit.

is that acceptable to the commission? anything else that we need to deal with? >> not on our part. thank you. >> nothing for us. >> i do not think so. chairperson hur: commissioners, do we need a motion to adopt the interim decisions that we made throughout the evening? >> it is a custom. you do not need it but you usually do it. chairperson hur: is there a motion to adopt the evidentiary and scheduling decisions that the commission has made drug the course of the evening? >> so moved. chairperson hur: all in favor. opposed. there being none, the meeting is

adjourned. >> when the new california academy of sciences opened in

2008, it quickly became one of the top tourist magnets in the city. part of the cal academies' astronomical success is the weekly nightlife party. >> i am joined by helen, who is here to school me on all the nocturnal activities that are getting ready to take place here. tell us a little about what we can expect to see at nightlife. >> we open up the doors every thursday night at the california academy of sciences. there are certain things you can see every week you can go to the museum, visit the planetarium, and we bring in bars and a deejay or band. it is a different feel from during the day, something different every week. tonight , we have beer and music. -- tonight we have great beer and music. it is beer week. we have a dozen local brewers in african hall. we have a deejays to set up throughout the museum and a live

performance at 9:00 p.m. tonight. >> what has been your favorite part as a participant or as an observer? >> my favorite part is to walk around the aquarium in to see people with a drink in their hands, getting to know maybe somebody new, may be looking for a day, or chatting with friends. there jellyfish. i mean, they are beautiful. >> the culmination of the animals. >> it is very impressive. we do not have this at home. >> tell us a little about some of the spider's we see here on display. >> at the california academy of sciences, there is a very large collection of preserved and live specimens, which are the evidence about evolution. we have the assassin spiders, which are spiders that exclusively kill and eat other spiders. they are under the microscope here.

research done and the california academy's i rhinology lab suggests that the assassin spiders have been doing this for over 150 million years. this glassed in room is a real scientific laboratory, and the people in that room are preparing specimens of vertebrate, that is mammals and birds. the way they do this is to remove the skin, sew it together in a relatively lifelike pose, and ensure that it does not decompose. >> i am a really big class actress fan, so i am here to see them, and beer week. >> i wanted to learn something and have fun. >> i always enjoy it. i am not all is well -- always working as i am tonight. sometimes i come to enjoy the music and to dance.

♪ >> culturewire covers the arts in san francisco, and one of my favorite culture artists is here tonight. jason, thank you for being on culturewire. tell us about some of your posters that we have here today. >> most of the posters here are four specific shows or tours. i am hired by the bands or the venue. >> what is the inspiration behind these posters? >> no, disease of the related to the bay and, of course. music -- it is related to the band, of course the musical content or isn't related to the bed. album covers can come from anywhere. ♪

♪ >> class actress was great. we have been having so much fun. i did not realize how beautiful the cal academy looks than that. what other events take place here? >> we do corporate events that night on a regular basis. but nightlife is your best bet to come in as a regular person pharmacy the academy at night, and visit with friends. calacademy.org/nightlife. we have details for the next few weeks. you can get tickets online in advance or at the door. >> thank you so much. thank you for watching culturewire on sf gov tv.