that i have not seen in my 20 years here. the advocacy community got together with the providers to talk about the possibility of making investments. the mayor has taken a step that makes it possible to talk about what the board might be able to do to make some strategic investments and improve outcomes for individuals that are in a shelter. what we have is a package that was developed and focused on the emergency shelter system. there has been a dramatic increase for case managers that are in the shelter system. that makes it more difficult for individuals agreeing to accept services to move on successfully. those numbers are extremely high right now. during that meeting, they asked that the advocates and providers come together to focus on the resources centers that play an extremely important role where

people access shelter beds and looking at the rapid rehousing program that has really become the mantra for the federal program using some of us money, we are not focused -- stimulus money, ha ha we are not focused on shelters. we have been one of the leading cities in the country'. this package was expanded from the emergency shelters to include the resource centers that played a pivotal roles in recognizing that just as we have talked about the cost of doing business, basic hygiene and food needs to make these facilities viable and attractive to people. it is extremely important. i am encouraged because i think this has been a great collaboration. i think the department of public health has been very dynamic in focusing on this entry point.

we are seeing that people are much older, there are more likely to have mental illness and behavioral issues that can be extremely challenging for them to be housed on a permanent basis. we are looking at dynamic ways, and we have had an entire workgroup that has been looking at how to restructure the entry points. we have a system that is very difficult. it is a system that really rewards people that are able to stand in line from 3:00 in the morning on. women have had to choose between losing their jobs and maintaining a shelter bed because of the allocation system is not a very thoughtful system. i want to say that one of the major focal point for us is that we will not be successful addressing homelessness until we have a vibrant public housing authority. many of you have been supportive

of our efforts to house veterans. all the publicity that we got generated six landlords have come forward to say that they would consider renting to a veteran. that is directly because of difficulties we have had in the program and the experience landlords have had from an administrative standpoint or from a resident standpoint. i want to say that jennifer from the coalition working in partnership with many of the organization's providing these services have laid out what i think is a thoughtful set of building blocks and investments that can be made around case management and safety for individuals in our shelter system. that is one of the biggest challenges. and when people ask if you can have the outstanding group of individuals to go out and talk to people, when people say no, that is feedback. i think making some of these

strategic investments will encourage more people to accept shelter and have a better continue on and better success. supervisor kim: if i could speak to something that was spoken about last week. i think there was general agreement about hprp, it has been successful in preventing families from becoming homeless. some questions have come up about how we change the model of service and around how we treat homeless clients. i completely understand our homeless clients rotate among a variety of different shelters and nonprofit organizations. it makes sense to have a single case manager. the request was increasing shelter staff and i was wondering if you could speak to that. >> there has been a case where

there is a concern that they are not able to provide the type of support and case management enabling people to access the services that they need. trent will focus on the fact that they would like to see more of that -- i think that from the standpoint of the providers, as long as we know we can work through. case management is important. i do think that it is an art form that we need to spend time. >> the hotels managed by one nonprofit, case managers by

another. most of the time is spent trying to get rent paid. >> any of these issues that people really need to move forward with their lives. the fact of the matter is accessing housing, it is extremely complicated. we need to make some effort to train and provide some incentives and support for the case managers. we do not have ratios that i think our optimal for people to be successful and move into supportive housing and other avenues. we have hundreds of units of vacant public housing. we know that in the homes for families initiative, we had the housing authorities to step

forward and renovate units have five families prefer to remain in shelter and then take the unit at sunnyvale. we are working together to go on sunnyvale and things of that sort. i do believe that is an exciting opportunity that we have to reinvent how we are responding to poverty and how we are giving people outcomes. a thing to the extent to the committee has the ability, making these investments are building blocks that if we see better outcomes for individuals, to deal with acuity and the severe mental ellis have the medical for a less of many of the people in our shelter system, i think we will see a different on the streets. supervisor chu: any questions or

thoughts on these positions are policy recommendations. supervisor wiener: in terms of the recommendation, that is in dispute. supervisor chu: i believe there are no recommendations that are in dispute, it is the policy recommendation. supervisor wiener: i think we should maintain that position. i think that it should be a supporting role in the mayor's office. supervisor chu: supervisor wiener has made a motion not to accept, it has been seconded by supervisor cohen. supervisor wiener: the motion is

not to accept the policy recommendation which was a recommendation to eliminate the positions. supervisor chu: the budget analysts did not recommend cutting the position, there are pulling it out. they have agreed not to take action on these items. can we do that without objection? thank you. can i ask the fire department to return? >> good afternoon. i would like to report that we have a -- i will defer to the

budget analysts and to have come to agreement on those three items. >> page 21 of the fire department's budget. we are recommending that the same amount to be placed on control and reserved. the revised the savings on the bottom of page 112. they recommend 75 to 18. -- 75,218. a total savings of 107,412 instead of 182,434. on page 222, we would advidse

attrition savings to 5-- a total savings of 698,017. and on the outyear 2013-14, we would revise the savings to -- i'm sorry. what is that number? 531736, a total savings of 715,868. those are our recommended revisions. supervisor chu: thank you very much. supervisor cohen? supervisor kim?

supervisor kim: what does this total up to in terms of recommended reductions for 2012- 2013? >> it would be roughly $850,000. i can give you a more exact number if you want, but roughly $850,000. that is 12-13 excluding the reserve of an additional $125,000.

supervisor kim: the reserve is within the materials and supplies line-item? >> correct. did you want a more precise number? supervisor kim: that's fine. supervisor chu: do we have a motion to accept the amended recommendations? it would change the attrition on page 21 and changes the attrition of all -- tdo we hav e that motion? we can take that without objection. there are just a few items that will come back with some additional information that we will follow up on in the coming

day. we have exhausted the departments but i would like to ask the comptroller's office as well as the mayor's budget office to answer a few quick questions and the dates for us. whether you have an updated information on the state budget situation? >> i have an initial update for the committee. we currently are estimating the impact of the actions of the state thus far at approximately $10 million. the majority of the actions that the legislature has taken relating to child care deduction is about 6.7 $5 million in reductions that we know of at this point. the next biggest group of state

actions related to the department of public health, mostly on the mental health side. there continues to be some uncertainty. and what we don't know is what the full impact of the cut may be. those are likely to have a very significant impact on our budget. and finally, i think there continues to be uncertainty with respect to redevelopment. as late as last night, we were hearing the legislature was going to take action than this morning they said they weren't and then i heard that they have taken action. as you recall, we have $15 million in our state reserved. at this time, we think there are

at least $10 million of the impacts and there are some uncertainties. supervisor chu: think you for the update. questions? to the comptroller's office, i think one of the questions is whether or not there are any changes or increases in revenues that we can anticipate. >> we are finishing up a review of for revenue changes that might have occurred since we submitted the budget and i expect to have written information within the next two hours. we have one final meeting to go through with final numbers, but i will have an update this afternoon. supervisor chu: if there is better than expected revenue, the mayor's budget does not propose any additional fund balance right now. any of the new information is not anything that is part of the

budget and things you would have to ask the mayor's office to grow? >> of the charter requires the mayor to grow the size of the budget if there are changes in revenues. hsupervisor chu: any other questions for the controller for the mayor's budget office on revenue at this time? we will get an update from the comptroller's office with regards to any revenues and we will see an update once we have been able to process these recommendations and to get a sense of where the committee is at -- i propose we recess this meeting until tomorrow at 1:00 p.m.. if not, we are in recess.