and the veterans -- it is tough, because it is changing now. would you talk veterans, i think about when i first came to the police department and the chief was there and world ii. my dad was o aa world war ii vetran. it will be hit and is with the new people coming out from the afghan and the conflict in iraq to see how that will work out. that is another whole our gambae we have to address with mental health people there. i did the government will adopt, but we have to look and see at that point. still dealing with the old veterans that have all the stress-related things. we had an individual that was

mental health and several buildings that cater to them. we broke to windows and pulled the fire alarm at a facility that was another one. we have it go with the psychiatric liaison with sergeant ramsey to see if they could work with that. again, it becomes a subject -- public safety issue with some of these individuals we have to take action. it becomes an issue with kids or seniors in the area and sometimes we cannot control that. >> capt. garrity, good evening. your presentation was terrific. lots of good material in it, and i appreciated getting get ahead of time as well. a few odds and end questions, and then some more substantive ones. on the fapage where you list

this, you have the the id officer. bid officer. what is that? >> business improvement district. we have that five days a week. central has a two days a week. it encompasses the upper union square a lower union square, but we are the main focus. the sergeant helps coordinate that with the union square bid, the director is karen flood. linda jones there before. we work with them on quality of life issues and issues in that area and information with the ambassadors of there. officer does that now. he works with the area on that. we are pretty tolerant down here. intervention and prevention

enforcement, but when we went with the promise month that went in there, we had one every year and were released it, because it is aluminum and audi was the sponsor of that so everyone could enjoy it and not being overtaken by a peddler. we were struck on that because it is a safety issue. that area is very congested. the street is very narrow. they took up the parking lanes and had to make sure they got there safely. any kind of special events around union square, we tried to work through that. >> good, thank you for that. that is very instructive here yet on your crime charged, you show rates have gone up, but the numbers are 5-7, so 40%. in terms of numbers, it is two

more. then of course the robberies have gone up. on your arrest chart, you are showing three arrests and rape. and 49% jump iin a arrests and robbery. i am curious whether you are trying something new or different approach around this. >> you have to follow up on these things. sometimes i get criticized and officers do not do delegate. my feeling is you do nothing and do know -- do nothing wrong. we tried to follow up meticulously with the community. maybe video or citizens. i had questions about the shooting on monday night. the inspector called the mother and i called the guy's mother because something was not right. the one heard anything that was

suspicious. i think that is important. some of these things cannot control. the citywide problem, a lot of it is economic with the economy. we try to address that. if we try to get the buyers who are selling those things also in the area with the retail theft program. we're working with the da's office. right now we have that -- not done one in a few weeks because of staffing and other issues, but i have met with macy's and apple to get what is new and fresh. robberies are somewhat drug- related, and we're working on that. we have to be very diligent in keep our nose to the grindstone. we have to try to keep follow-up on this in keep following up

here yet to g. >> i am curious about the arrest figures. is there a person that has committed several? >> these are different ones, commissioner. there is no pattern. several of them the victims were not cooperative. there were a couple of days old or a situation like that. i will not go too much into the rapw issue because some have e issue because some of them have not been called. the sex crimes unit will follow up on that. we look at everyone. does not matter what we think or perceived, but we have to go by the facts involved, and we follow up with that with the victim. commissioner kingsley i: i

was listening to the whole problem with prescription drugs, and 60-80 percent are coming in from the outside. are there some principals or community activities so m.j. is not out there on her own doing photographs or some application around the arrest in the recovery area? >> there is a tie with the drugs and robberies. two-thirds are in the trade of narcotics. i spoke to a lady about showing me an e-mail. the lady was talking about this, and i follow up on my self on this. and we need to get more people out on the street. we cannot tie them up. and i think the pills -- the problem with the pills is a different animal altogether.

laws have not changed to address some of the problems on the pills. there is a stigma with needles now, so i think -- i will not go in that there is a plan where we will partner with the agency. i will not go into particulars now, but to address that, the pill problem. and we have done as much as we can do at our level with the vrt and narcotics level, and the liaison with the dea, but we're working on something to address the pill prescription level. the outside influences and where they're coming in from. some of them it is not the individual with the pain management programs. it is someone bringing in a lot. it is a very lucrative business. >> i understand that.

very heartening to hear there is a larger plan attacking this. the safe passage program is so impressive, and safe in general that it seems it would be terrific to get more community involvement in keeping eyes open as to who is new in the community that is coming in. and > it is a group project e a cheap getting better nation'ir the -- he makes fun of me because i have said slide in my pocket. i'm going green. it is important to realize you have to stretch these resources.

kelly more donating paid for the project. a lot of it has to do with the groundwork that the community members gave up. and it is important to realize you have to work with us. it does not take one person, but a lot of it has to roll into one. commissioner kingsley: one final question. i may have missed this in the presentation, but you did address the community justice center, and you have this impressive number for a new program. it the ultimate impact on your job and on the job of your officers, how has that changed? >> i would like to see more. hopefully we will be a little bit under from last year, but we

have the community neighborhood courts that are trying to get more over there that work in conjunction. >>there is a difference. they are non-traffic. there is a little bit of an overlap, but not much. we're trying to funnel some there. what is important is officers see it. we have had the community advisory board. i help on the committee, along with commander mike deal, and we tried to see what they progress with the various providers for mental health or public health issues. they provide cover for roles. there is a bigger turn over for them. they did the suspect into the system, whether than have them flounder and disappear in a

follow-up. >> good. thank you. >> commissioner marshall, you make me feel like i am a quick date or something. >> i have to say, i am a new commissioner, and when you are a new commissioner, people want to tell you their opinions on a lot of things, and your name has come up quite a few times, all very positive. i want to tell you that your leadership at tenderloin is noted around the city from a lot of different places. so, i really want to thank you for your leadership and ago what commissioner chan said. i want to say your presentation, there were a lot of buzz words around policing and one of them is community policing. i really felt like watching that

presentation, it is like that is what it looks like. i have also heard from a number of officers that we have been doing them for a long time, and i think your career probably demonstrates that. the police bit in to try to create a thriving neighborhood and address problems as they come up but participate in the solutions as much as anything. >> thank you, but it in san francisco police department is a little bit different. wind always done community policing here yet your police station was your neighborhood. i think that is important. and try to get involved. that is the way it is. you get embalms. >> to that point, to the young people who spoke, i do not know your name, but i want to tell you that the number one fear

everyone has over dying is public speaking, so you please tell all your friends and young people that that was incredibly brave and courageous, that that was a good opportunity to take advantage of and tell us what you think. my request to you is that you go through, live your life, and find some how were you will have a microphone and be able to make decisions, because growing up in this neighborhood will allow you to understand things that a lot of people do not understand, which means you have an obligation to make a difference. to >> i know data points -- you talked about the mark twain reference. just to follow up on the commissioner kingsley reference, in six months there is seven rape calls, 3 arrests. aggravated assaults, 146 and 81.

and with having the team here and inspectors at the station and great collaboration, have you found having the inspectors and investigators your help to investigate and clear those cases? is there an improvement and the clearance numbers, and if not, what do we need to do more to help you with that? >> it is in flux on what you want to do at the station level. it is good to have the contact. they can follow up with the victim better. that is why our number of arrests are 41%. we can follow up with the victim more. my little brothers and inspectors -- he had to go down the hall. that is a daunting task for someone to leave the area and go down the hall. now we have the centralization

where they can follow up with the station and go out right away. they can get up to the victim quicker. i know when m.j. had her arm injured the first time. she sent me the e-mail when she was at the station. we did a follow-up right away. it gives you a little more quicker edge to a follow-up faster with that. can it be better? it can always be better it can always be better in the situation where you always have to have more to do that, but we do not have that luxury right now. a lot of people wear different hats. we have made them put the pedal to the metal. we have to wear different hats at the stations to make these things work.

>> there is 294 incidents of violent crimes reported in the six-month time. he said there are 10,000 residents -- 20,000. this could be a question for the cheap another time, but is there a sense of per capita crime happening to someone living in the tenderloin for someone in the sunset? -- vs. someone in the sunset? >> if you are talking about the corners it might be a difference for people walking by. but traffic for people in certain areas. -- foot traffic for people in certain areas. there are transit lines coming through. busy area. unfortunately we will have our

problems for people that do not live or work in the area that cause crimes. that is a big issue for us. we are near transit and the dancer area. -- and denser area. the community as for it when they started tenderloin task force, they needed a focal point. there was not really a downtown station. it provides more of a function. i cannot say if it makes a difference or more of a chance to be a victim here than anywhere else. depends on what your awareness is. i think a lot of it has to do with the people in the area. you cannot have a cop on every corner. i would like to, but you cannot. >> my last question is, there are not narcotics arrest members here. to m.j.'s point about crack

smoking. >> we were higher than the average. we have dipped down below that. we are between 4 and 6% from last year. we're down a little bit because of staffing. it spikes if we do an operation. we are lucky enough to get a grant, capt. murphy. we are funneling that. i am a little frugal, so we tried to use that to get the most bang for the buck. we have some overtime we are using this weekend. i thought it would be more appropriate to upgrade the security baseline. we will use it with foot patrols. i asked officers if they thought it would be better to have foot

patrols in certain areas for uniform visibility. we have a luxury with some of the lieutenants that will come down. they will come and check with the station and check with me, officer cortes, and they will say what areas we want them to hit. we cannot have the same planes close guys because they get to recognizing them. -- plain clothes guys because they start to recognize them unfortunately they moved to different areas in the district. that is problematic for us. >> ok. commissioner marshall: this is a comment, and i do not know if this question can be answered, but i will throw it out there

anyway. since i have been on the commission, we have had several meetings here at tenderloin. it seems to me that the challenge of the tenderloin and self is drug-dealing and that the perception and i guess reality that it is a place where drugs are dealt, and i guess the question i am really asking is how much of that is true? let me give you a parallel example. for years the baby was looked upon as the gang area of the city. it really is not. that is how people looked at it. gang violence was down a lot. a lot of factors happen to make

that happen. neighborhoods were changing. people are slowly coming to realize this. even though there are other things that have happened here, and families are moving to the tenderloin and all of these things, how much of that -- how accurate is that? i can say to people it is not like that. i can show statistics even, but how much is that perception still a reality? again, i am not blaming the police department, because a lot of factors go into creating this, but i go to the tenderloin, that is where it is. how much of that is still you feel that is what is happening here? the reputation sometimes does not equal the facts in front of the stories so to speak.

i think it is that outsiders who do not live and work in the area that cause the problems. the tender line by its name or reputation, you mentioned bayview they figure tenderloin has the problems. turning over the buildings. the problem still continues to be the outsiders bring in drugs into the area. it has gone better. we can ask inspector monroe from his days down here. it is -- i understand what you're saying. 80% of the problems are narcotics-related down here. and it is tough to go through that. you cannot lock everybody up. the thing is, we try to get to

the point. we're getting to the point with labor courts for looking at different programs. we are getting to the point where some things you try to intervention them and prevention them to a certain point, but there are still crooks out there. >mcommissioner marshall: that seems to be the central issue with the tenderloin, that this is the place where it is going on. it is less of it, then say that. it just seems to be until we get the feeling that that is something that is corralled or going away or being lessened, that people feel that way. that seems to be the central bank facing this district. i could go anywhere and mention the tenderloin, and they will say -- it is a stubborn problem, and i just want to feel like we're

getting a handle on it so that it becomes less identified with the tenderloin. >> we have gone through this comstat model, and it is a good model. look at the model. traffic deployment and proper tactics. you have to look at this and have more officers that do more with less. we have probably gone from a d to maybe a c + but we are not on the dean's list yet. we're working on it. i think we have to do a better job of that. i think we of come along way in the community. i understand that. this has to be measurable and done fairly so people come down here. it is a problem for the outsiders to keep coming in here. it really impacts the

communities, kids, and seniors that are in here. >> report cards. c- is good. i know it is a long way to get there. that is good to hear. president mazzucco: thank youl . the next item will be adjournment. the san francisco police department had a big loss this week. we lost harold butler. there will be services for him this week. he died much before his time. in the email i forgot to say, the e-mail traffic between myself and former prosecutors who had worked with him was incredible. from assistant u.s. attorneys to assistant u.s. district attorneys. when we adjourned tonight, i would like to adjourn in honor

of carol butlharold butler. >> can we also adjourn in honor of the young people that spoke here? president mazzucco: i think he would appreciate that. so moved. all in favor? thank you very much, everybody.

>> good evening, everyone. thank you for joining us here in little saigon. my name is naomi kelly, city administrator for this city and county of san francisco. about three months ago, i had the honor of being on a san bruno avenue with mayor lee when he announced invest in neighborhoods initiative, a program to strategically deployed city resources in our neighborhood commercial corridors more effectively. since then, mayor lee, jennifer from the director of the mayor's office of economic and workforce development, and myself launched the invest in a neighborhood working group, and part of that working group is a committee of representatives of key city departments to my community and business leaders, and technical experts to provide feedback and recommendations that have guided

the development of the invest in a neighborhood program model. as you know, in san francisco, we have many programs, many departments, many neighborhood nonprofits that all such our neighborhood commercial corridors. in the past, that we may not have all been on the same page. the invest in a neighborhood initiative was created to corral all the programs departments in neighborhood nonprofits together so as to better leverage our resources, provide focused customized assistance that meet the specific needs of san francisco's neighborhood commercial corridors. invest in neighborhoods will ensure the strategic deployment of our existing city programs such as the revolving loan front -- funds the dpw cleaning program, community investor program, arts in storefronts, community challenge grants, grants for the arts, and so much more. the program will also offset the program will also offset some of the neighborhood