perhaps this is something where the interpreter -- >> i understand everything you are saying. >> is it your testimony that you have never considered divorcing your husband? >> that is asked and answered. >> stained -- sustained. >> have you seriously considered divorcing your husband? >> asked and answered. >> you have an answer. she said no. >> alright. >> you executed a declaration in this case? >> hold on one second. you have something? clarify. did you respond that you talked about divorce but never made a decision about it? was that your answer? >> yes. >> ok, thank you. >> thank you.

you have talked about divorce but you have not made a decision whether to divorce. >> exactly. >> ok. you have discussed the potential for divorcing with people beside your husband? >> i am sorry? >> have you discussed the possibility of divorcing your husband with friends? >> i think what i did was -- in which position i am, if we decide to get divorced. >> you discussed with your friends with the consequences of a divorce might be. >> if we decide together to get divorced, which one are my rights and how was the legal

situation in the divorce? like looking for information, that is what i did. >> you have looked for information about what would be your rights in the case of a divorce. >> yes. >> ok. one of the issues that would, in the case of a divorce from her husband -- >> actuate -- >> let me finish my question. >> one of the issues that would come up in a divorce would be with the custody arrangements would be for the zeroo. -- for theo. >> yes. >> if there were to be a divorce, the current arrangement you have regarding the custody of theo would change. >> i am sorry. i am a little tired. could you tell me again? >> if you feel too tired to understand my questions,m+&nm[ze say so. >> ok, try again.

>> if you were to get a divorce, the arrangement you have right now where you are in venezuela with theo in your custody could change. >> i am not looking for a divorce right now. >> i am going to object. that calls for speculation. >> i am going to overrule it. can the interpreter interpret the question? >> i do not know. >> ok. [laughter] you realize in the united states

that -- when there is a divorce, the family court makes an order regarding the custody of children in the marriage? >> i do not know. >> ok. you have never -- -e we did not make a decision. i was looking for information. >> have you ever sought out any advice about the consequences for custody? >> that was the information i was looking for. we were talking about ivory madison, of course. >> i am not. >> that is my only friend. she is a liar. that was the information i got. i was looking for, sorry. >> i will ask about your conversation with ms. madison

later. >> maybe we can shorten the period. >> we need the question answered. the court would determine who gets custody of theo. you were very concerned about what would happen in regard to the custody of theo. he was born her in the united states and he is in american citizen? >> yes. >> you have permanent resident status? >> yes. >> when did you obtain that status? >> generate, i think. -- january, i think. we started the process last year. >>!pjój+e got your green card in billing >> in january.

-- you have got your green card in --lhy5én >> in january. -- i am a citizen. >> you are still a citizen of venezuela. >> yes, of course, and i will be forever. >> you will never relinquish or venezuelan citizenship? >> never. >> objection, relevance. >>you can have two or three citizenships. >> ok. >> if there were a divorce between you and your husband, do you expect your husband to consent to having custody of the zero in venezuela? >> it goes to state of mind and

bias. >> overruled. >> i do not know what his position could be. >> i'm not asking about what his position is. i'm asking what your expectation is. >> i am sorry. >> one at a time. if you could wait for the question and for her to finish before you start your next one. >> based on the arguments, discussions, conversations you have had with your husband in the past, would you expect him x to you hay of theo in venezuela in theu hay event you divorced? >> i think we have to work on

that. if we get divorced in a year or we get divorced in 25 years, i do not know. it is completely different. i do not know. get divorced, i am working here and i do not need to go back to venezuela. i do not know. but i think your point is like in the same way, we do not want to take my son from his dad at some point, some hypothetical point, i do not want anyone taking theo away from me. as a family of all is, we have to be together making the decisions together.

what is the best for theo. i am sure i will expect and i am sure ross will agree with me. >> your husband has told you in the past that he thinks you're trying to take theo away from him. >> yes. >> you are concerned that your husband is a powerful man who is powerful enough to take theo away from you. >> i think that after all the research i have been doing, i think that he being an american and me being not american, an immigrant, he is in a better

position than me to gain if he opposed, if i have to travel, i do not know. he is in a better position than me. >> ok. than me. >> ok. but what she= pertains to your husband's status as an american citizen. >> yes. >> ok. was there a time when you saw his status as the sheriff made him powerful so he could take it away from you? >> no. >> you never thought that? >> as a sheriff, know.

as an american, yes. >> let me finish my question. you never thought his status as an elected official gave him power that he could use to take it away from you. he said that to you, hasn't he? >> no. >> you say your husband told him -- told you he is a powerful man. you told that to williams. were you lying? >> no. the problem is that i had this conversation, it not that we discussed every day we are going to get a divorce. we had that conversation twice. one in march 2011 end of that

conversation we were talking about divorce and how my position and all of it was about 45 minutes and some my conclusion after all of that was that]zízo:( he is more powerfuln me. so when he said he is powerful, my conclusion in all of that conversation. >> you were expressing your conclusion that your husband was a powerful man and could take it away from you. >> yes. that was not a nice conversation and i got scared that maybe i would lose custody.

scared. >> now, you also told by every madison that your husband told you he is a powerful man. >> it was exactly the same thing. my conclusion was that conversation, i am not going to explain the 40 minute conversation but he said he is more powerful than me. he is in a better position in this country than me. i just saw a family court hearing ruling against a woman taking the son away from her because the court said puerto rico is dirty and save so it is

better to be here and california -- unsafe so it is better to be here in california. so i felt scared. >> even now you feel scared that she would lose custody. >> absolutely. i am scared of all this madness. b>> even nu >> i am scared about all this process against us and this same thing about the court is taking away his mom because they think that it is a no good place for a boy. every person from other countries in a horrible

>> i want to make sure that i have an understanding of how you came to this conclusion that you expressed to callie williams ñ]h were an elected official? >> do any of the commissioners to feel the need to hear the answer to the question? i think the witness hass it. let's allow it. e8r in march 2011. he was not even thinking at that point. >> man, i was asking about your

conclusion about the power that your husband had. >> that was more than a year ago so he was not even thinking of running 3 it >> he was an elected member of the board of supervisors. >> he was not in his best moment at that moment. he was not the president of the board of supervisors. with all of this movement, it was not like i am so powerful and i am going to take theo away from you. it was not in that context. >> ok.

didn't you think that as an american and a politician your husband was a powerful man and if he wanted he could take custody of theo? >> objection. >> sustained. >> as of january 1, wasn't it your view that your husband was a powerful man and could take custody of theo if you wanted to in the case of a divorce? >> that was my conclusion of the conversation in march 2011. >> also on january 1? >> as an american he is in a better position like i already said. >> what about as an elected official?

>> objection. already answered. >> commissioners, i would like to read from her declaration, page 2 of the declaration -- >> tell me what part. >> paragraph 7. the inconsistent statement would be 13-15. i am happy to read the paragraph so we know the date we are talking about. >> that is not how you impeach a witness. i do not feel like i should teach this gentleman how to properly impeach a witness. ask her if the -- ask her if she made that statement. you do not read it out loud like this. >> this is the right way to in

peach a witness. -- impeach a witness. >> can i have the last question and answer? >> what about as an elected official? the answer is no. >> i think you should establish more foundation, mr. keith. >> you had a conversation about what might happen regarding the custody of your son. on january 1.

>> yes, that was the beginning of our conversation. >> your conclusion and your own experience was that as an american and a politician, your husband is a powerful man and if he wanted he could win custody of theo. >> when i went to talk to library, i was ascared about losing my situation if we get a divorce. what is my decision and in a family court. and after our conversation, she made me feel even more scared because she also said, it she

used the word all boys' network and they will cover for each other so you have to make evidence and you need something to protect yourself and fight in case you get in a custody dispute. so she told me that of course my concern was right and she used that word old boys' network. >> i move to strike everything after yes as not responsive. >> overruled. please, we need to keep it down in here.

>> your husband has told you he is a powerful man more than once. >> i think that has been asked and answered. >> overruled. >> are you asking me if he said that more than once? no. actually, he never said that. that was my conclusion. he never said i am a powerful man. that was the conclusion of the 40 minute conversation. he said he is a part -- he is more powerful than me. that was my conclusion. he never said i am a powerful man like a sentence. >> did he ever say he is very

powerful? you said in the video that he said he is very powerful. >> yes. >> you do not want your husband to take theo away from you? >> i do not want him taking my son away from the in the same way i will never take theo away from him. >> to you have concerns for theo's safety with your husband being the primary caregiver? >> objection. >> sustained.

>> have you made an agreement with your husband about what would happen regarding the custody of theo in the event of a divorce? >> never. >> on december 31, your husband offered to take you out to lunch for pizza. >> that was the plan. i said i am not going to cook. we will have to go out for lunch. [laughter] >> you are saying it was your decision? >> yes. >> everybody got into the van. while in the van, you try to have a civil discussion about

going to venezuela. >> yes. >> the discussion you wanted to have was about visiting with theo. >> yes. >> you try to be polite in bringing up that subject? >> i am not sure if i was trying to be polite. i was just saying what i wanted. >> at the time that you raised this issue, he knew that was a sensitive subject for your husband. >> yes. >> when you raised that issue, it your husband was not respectful in response. >> he was nervous, yes. >> he started yelling at you. >> yes, a little bit.

for ross to yell, his voice is so strong he does not have to do too much. he is too loud all the time. >> you have had the experience of someone yelling at you in an angry way. >> i do not think he was yelling. he was not happy with that. >> your husband was not yelling. >> he was talking with his voice. but he was not happy at all. >> he told ivory madison that your husband started yelling profanities at you. isn't that what happened? >> yes. >> so, he was yelling profanities at you. >> how i recall is that he said

profanities' but just one thing was the only thing he said. i said do not talk to me that way. he apologized but he was not happy. >> ok. this was happening with your son in a car? >> yes. >> ok. how did your husband's yelling in the car affect your son? >> objection. relevance. >> overruled. >> i have to answer? yes, theo was -- it was his nap time. so, he was sleeping in the car

seat. and i don't not recall he was crying in the car until the very end. because we were having a discussion, not that he was yelling. we were having a discussion. not a friendly one, but he was watching. he was fine. >> your son did cry during that discussion, but not until the end of it. >> during the discussion he did not cry. >> so when you told ivory madison he cried in the car -- >> he cried after he grabbed my arm. >> after your husband grabbed her arm. >> i got angry and i said stop. it was my reaction that scared

my son. >> answer the question. >> at this point in the car, he is not crying. >> did you ever say to your husband during the course of this discussion, argument, stop, look what you are doing to our son. do you know wwhat this is going to do to him? >> we are now in the car, right? at this moment he is not crying and i did not say that. >> so in the course of the fight to never said those words. >> when he grabbed my arm i said stop in a very hard way and when we came inside i said, stop, right now. i am going to cook lunch for theo.