in addition, this went through a planning -- there seems to be a breakdown with respect to law enforcement and the planning department. not sure for requires a notice on the building are not. i am not sure where the breakdown happened. we can investigate how and why they were just notified. this is not our protocol. >> it gets mailed to a pretty wide area of residence all the way round. if they had concerns, it would do -- there was a hearing at the planning department before it came here. the planning department said

this business was allowed. that was easily 30 days. are posting after that is 10 days. >> i am telling you what my understanding and i am expressing our concerns regarding this permit. one of them is obviously security because there open late at night. lighting in the area because in that particular location, there is a back alleyway between where the child care center is and the billiards hall. i do not know -- they said they would do cameras inside the business. >> [inaudible] >> i am wondering if there are any plans for lighting in the back alley. somebody said criminals like the dark. we want to make sure their

patrons are safe. this is more of a community impact. it could be a law enforcement impact. that is something with a worry about on a later date. the community impact is a concern. we want to make sure people are safe. and the business is running efficiently. >> there is a concern in that area to find businesses that can stay open. when the greatest concerns i hear from the business community is that there isn't anything that is open later to keep the street accessible and more well lead and to keep people in these businesses and using these businesses. they have had a hard time keeping businesses open, right? >> i cannot speak to that

directly. i do not know what the history has been with the permit applications in that area. i cannot speak to that, but i would imagine. 24 hour fitness -- >> is 24 hours. >> there are restaurants that are open later. >> that is it, though. >> the walgreen's is open. >> commissioners, any more questions for the police? thank you very much. i'm sorry? >> [inaudible] >> ok, we will hear from the public. is there something else? any members of the public who want to address this

application? ok, in terms of the lighting issue, before we take it over to the commission, do you guys have any objections to putting in some illumination? >> there will also be -- are sign will be box lighting. it'll be pretty bright. i am pretty sure there will be pretty good lighting as a result of the box lighting. >> would you be agreeable to work with the police department? >> absolutely. >> based on problems in the area? ok. all right. >> would to be willing to put a light in the alley? even if it was a motion detector? >> we can work something out, definitely, yes. >> all right. the matter is with the commission.

you said you had some kind of a neighborhood meeting more something -- or something. was the police invited to something? >> that was during the public hearing. >> there is no liquor, right? what is your policy if someone wanted to bring their own? >> no way. >> you would have a security guard or a doorman? >> yes. >> do you have any age restrictions? >> we do not have an age restriction yet. >> do we have a motion? >> somebody else. >> we have a long list.

there is nothing to go by. do you want to itemize it? i move it with the lighting conditions, the security plan -- a >> that is in there. >> they already have their neighborhood outreach. >> no glass bottles. >> with those conditions, unless there is anything else, a motion to approve it. >> i will second it. >> [roll call vote] >> it is going to be an improvement, i think, to the

whole quality of life. thank you, good luck. henry hu, milo lounge. >> you may recall, i am not sure if it was our last meeting, the item was continued. to allow for more outreach to the neighborhood. as well as making sure that sfpd was comfortable with the application. at last check, they were recommending approval of the permit i was told the inspector might have some additional information to add. i will let the applicant speak

and report on what you instructed them to do. president newlin: ok. >> we have a stack of neighborhood association and businesses -- also, we stopped by the northern station. he approved it. >> the last time you were here, we ask you not to operate karaoke until you got a permit. i see that you were cited for operating without a permit. >> we have the karaoke system on, but there is no one singing. >> ok.

have you paid your citations? the one from june 12? >> not yet. >> not yet, ok. for july 10, you had your system on, but nobody was using it? >> i want to clarify one thing. i do not have a horse in this race. they asked what was permitted and what was not. they came by because they wanted to know if playing their system or their music was ok because there is still a screen. as long as there is no person with a microphone singing, that is not karaoke.

if you are playing music and you have the accessory of the words. >> is that what you did? you were just playing music and the words were on the screen, but there was no singing? >> we unplugged the receiver of the microphone. >> ok. on your security plan, he said you would provide security on the weekends. >> yes. >> what are you going to do during the week? >> the owner. >> on may 8, 2012, there was an assault at your place. i believe that was a tuesday. >> yes. >> how did you handle that? >> we called the sfpd first.

>> that is how you handled it. did you guys tried to intervene and tell the police got there? you just allow the assault -- did you allow d.s.l. to go on? >> it was a quick fight. less than 10 seconds. >> ok. thank you. >> those for your neighborhood outreach? >> yes. >> did you sit down in any neighborhood groups and talk to them? >> we had one community meeting coming up this month. that will be our first meeting. >> what community meeting is that? >> it was a business neighborhood meeting. >> ok, have you reached out to any community organizations

other than businesses? most of those are business people. when you have someone who is having assault, it is important for them to have good ties to the community, to the people who live there, not just the other businesses. have you done outreach to community groups that are not businesses? >> also, we have a president support. >> individual residents who might be your friend? but not a group of people? do you know, but i am saying? i want to make sure you have done all agree to the community, to people, these groups will be a lot able to support you. >> we will work on not in the future. -- we work on bats in the future.

president newlin: now we will hear from the police. >> good afternoon, commissioners. the applicants did come and meet with me regarding their security plan. i reviewed it with them and it seemed to be an upgrade from what they had and it seemed to be acceptable. during that meeting, they did neglect to tell me that he was cited for karaoke. if they have on adjudicated citations, and they do have one, and now this is the second one, i do not know how this can be approved at this time. president newlin: we can condition that. >> their surveillance system is

also very good. >> lieutenant, anything to add? >> have any of view ever of this -- have any of you observed them checking ids, bag checks or anything like that? it's the only security guard is the owner, -- did they have other employees decide the owner working there? >> i do not know. >> you guys have never observed them during their operations? >> we have that officers in there.

>> have you observe them during your visits? >> i have not observed them during operations. i've never seen pat-downs or bag checks. it was not until i reviewed their security plan that i knew that that was part of their operation. >> did they serve alcohol? >> they do. >> i've not observed them during the week. i have seen them on fridays or saturdays. >> one of the victims -- when

asked how they got into the establishment without showing 90, their response was, nobody was at the door checking id's. >> thank you so much. president newlin: i am assuming there is no public comment since there is no public left. i will take that step and say that the matter is now with the commission. >> how long would it take you to pay your fine? can you pay your fine? >> we can pay today. >> ok. ok. i give the honor? >> yes. >> -- are you the owner it? >> yes. >> are there other employees decide you? -- besides you?

you have a waitress and you? >> we have a bartender, two waitress, and a janitor. >> and a janitor. how come nobody got id'ed? the police report said nobody had id on him. >> our waitress did check him. he is a regular, too. >> i would like to see the commission looked at possibly conditional approval with a six- month oversight. it seems like they're getting their act together, but i want to make sure they're on top of things. >> having to security guards is needed.

they really should establish a door policy. a waitress is not going to be doing -- corners usually do not have time to be -- owners do not usually have the time. i think the condition with the police -- it should be included in this. >> two security guards? >> the owners, they all have card cards? >> i do have a guard card. >> what about the other people?

>> i also trained. >> they need to be certified. from the state. >> you will have to get them trained as well. >> without going outside in hiring somebody, if you want to use inside staff, that is fine. >> everybody? everybody who serves alcohol? >> yes. we'll that certificate. -- we all have that certificate. >> let's make sure we condition that on the permits. >> i want to voice my opinion and say that i am very

uncomfortable letting this permits be forwarded. >> that is why i think we should limit it to a time. . >> -- a time period it. >> we were told the story when the police came in and questioned who was in charge and everybody denied it. i said i wanted community outreach in writing to community groups. a couple of neighbors and some businesses signed a very short sentences. to me, i do not see the sense of commitment that running a well- run establishment -- i do not feel well about recommending this permit. >> can you, within two weeks, a

pail of your fines, do community outreach, did everything up to snuff? do you think he can do that within two weeks? >> yes. >> there is an organization of residence and they are all politically connected. you need to reach out to them. if you have any issues, i am sure they will come back to us. it is better to take the responsibility now and do everything that we ask you to and be responsible owners said that you will not have problems. if we could do this in two weeks and get this all solved, maybe the police will feel more comfortable, and we could have written conditions from the police a summary. >> i move to continue this to the next meeting.

>> august 7. 5:30. >> next meeting, august 7, 5:30. show up with all their stuff in order. pay your fines, do your committee outreach. -- community outreach. >> we do have security guards. >> only on the weekends. >you have to make us feel comfortable. that is my motion. >> coppin if you are asking for them to get their house in order, can i make a friendly suggestion that we have some kind of written proof? we can file its and we haven't in our staff filed so that we

have it on record? >> it is important for us as commissioners, we have the public safety, we have to take care of. it is important for us to do the public justice by making sure that you did the right thing. at the end of the day, it is going to help you as well. >> you will be required to work with staff to show them you have the proper security, proper training, and the proper committee outreach to the residential neighborhood groups as opposed to a few letters from we do not know who. ok? >> you have to do it this time. >> this is sink or swim and time. >> my motion is to continue. >> i second. >> [roll-call vote] president newlin: item 7,

commissioner comments and questions. commissioners? item eight, new business request for future agenda items. >> there was a meeting change in the bylaws that says we have to meet on the second and fourth tuesdays. >> the bylaws were meeting with me mad on the first and third tuesdays. somebody changed it. " we will change that back. we. met the first and third. >> if you are in a club and they have the music and the screen, but you are lip-synching, is that a violation? [laughter] >> all rights, that concludes the july 24 meeting of the

entertainment commission. thank you. >> you probably think you know all about the exploratorium. but have you ever been after dark? did you know there was a monthly party called after dark? science mixes with culture and adults mix with other adults. no kids allowed. every week there is a different theme. to tell us about the themes is

melissa alexander. tell us about some of the previous themes we have had. >> we have had sex ploration, sugar, red, blue. many things. >> what is the theme tonight? >> rock, paper, scissors. we are having a tournament tonight, but we have also used as a jumping off point to explore lots of different ideas. you can find out about rock, paper, scissors as a game as a reproductive strategy. you can interact with a piece of art created by lucky dragon. you can get your hair cut from a cool place called the public barber's salon. they use scissors only. you can find out about local geology, too. >> that sounds like fun.

let's check it out. >> this is the most common rock on the surface of the earth. interesting thing is, most of this rock is covered over by the ocean. >> error congested a cool presentation on plate tectonics. tell us about what we just saw. >> we wrapped up a section of a lesson on a plate tectonics, here at the exploratory and -- exploritorium. >> are you excited to see people here having fun and learning about science? >> the people that come here are some selected to begin with, they actually enjoy science. i teach teachers to have fun with their kids. the general public is a great audience, too. they're interested in science. >> we have a blast every time.

they have different names. >> they have a bar and a cafe. everything i need. we are excited for the speaker. >> it is nice to be in the exploratorium when there are not a lot of kids around. >> before tonight, i never knew there were major league rules to rock, paper, scissors. i am getting ready to enter into a competition. sarah's here to give me some tips. what do i need to do to win it? >> this is a game of chance, to a degree. one of the best ways to bring it home is a degree of intimidation, maybe some eye contact, maybe some muscle. it is a no contact sport. sheer i contact is a good way to maybe intimidate to see if you can set them off, see if they throw something they did not mean to. >> i am going to see what happens.

>> i got kicked out in the first round. [applause] >> given up for sunni. the rock, paper, scissors champion. >> what are you going to do now? >> i have been having so much fun. i got my tattoo. before we go, i want to thank melissa alexander for having us here tonight. how did you know san francisco needed a night like tonight? >> thank you for coming. everybody loves the exploratorium. we are reluctant to push the kids out of the way in the day, so i knew we needed to create one evening a month just for the rest of us to have a good time, the adults. >> absolutely. where can we find out what is where can we find out what is coming up after dark?