>> that is right. [laughter] it never does. >> well, thank you. we had a lot of information to cover in a fairly short time. a lot of the points that the commission is looking to for clarification may be slightly ahead of where our analysis is. we may be slightly at of the meeting it internally. -- i have the meeting internally. it makes it challenging. this was a bit of a tougher one to get through because it was more of a conceptual discussion than the -- then something the treatment plant has broken. this is a little more difficult. we definitely do appreciate your direction. we will be revisiting the levels of service. i.t. people, can you put that --

thanks. we will be revisiting the levels of the strategy that were discussed today. and at some point where the greens -- green kind of overlap. -- the green/green kind of overlap. >> did you have any suggestions for that overlap? >> somewhere in between, i like maximize and integrate. >> i like maximize. it is a noun. what are we maximizing? >> i would even go for maximize green infrastructure to manage storm and minimize flooding. i know your concerns. i heard them earlier around what the implications of that are. >> we are not that far off.

we typically do not get into maximization processes. we do not usually have that option. we do trade-offs. one of the more useful tools that we are in the process of developing to make those trade- offs is the bottom line analysis. i would welcome language that basically says something to the effect that in the meeting of the goals that we set for ourselves that we would use a triple bottom line announces -- analysis to do something. >> whenever language we use -- whatever language we use, it will not be legally mandated anyway. it is all aspirational. >> and we do have five weeks to figure that out before the next meeting. >> we will not try to have options for you. >> -- we will try to have options for you.

>> and something different than the double bottom line. i hate to put out an additional goal, but i think this green infrastructure piece, i think it has great potential. it ties in with the technology policy. it ties in with the csp numbers that we're talking about. it ties in and makes it very dynamic and a current program. and with a lot of other added benefits. i thought maybe we could leave it to the staff. >> and my guess is that we will have lots of chances for both of us to interact with staff in the next five weeks. >> we will be inviting you over for meetings. i think it was a really good discussion. i definitely appreciate your leadership and guidance. the next workshop is going to be on the 28. hopefully, we have an early time

slot that day and can get through this and start moving toward implementation thank you so much. i think we can probably get through that discussion in two hours with the homework that we have committed to doing between now and then. >> commissioners, any other thoughts or comments? public comment? mr. pilpel had asked for public comment. >> i want to start off thanking staff and consultants. i know a lot of people here have spent a lot of time on this and have done good work. i wore my greyish green shirt today because i thought back i wanted -- i wanted to highlight that it is not gravers is green. >> it needed to be washed.

-- it is not great verses green. >> if needed to be washed. [laughter] >> thank you. i thought it was a good discussion about using the vip projects for validation -- the eip projects for validation and so that we are sizing that appropriately. the southeast project is the signature portion within treatment. it is what i call the channel tunnel, although staff tells me i need to refer to it as the central based hudson improvement project. it is this significant project within the collection system. but i also think the ip -- eip a segment of the green project is just as critical. i am hopeful that the two big projects, plus the eip program

will be looked at separately for project-level environmental review, which may result in an eir, what ever is the appropriate environmental clearance so that we can move those projects as soon as possible. they really do inform the program going through. you did get a cac resolution as part of your communication. news of what the cac has recommended as part of the c i p. the west side project needs a better title than just 70 or 100 mgd. a title is significant and important, both from an occurrence and volume standpoint. we will talk next time about the rate impact.

i'm assuming we will see the rate charged over 30 years and what the percentage is and how that rolls up. at some point, we will see a list of categories within the programs, within the overall -- there are a lot of ways to roll this out. i really support the staff recommendation. i believe this is ambitious. this is necessary. we have really gotten to a point where we need to move the critical project ahead and see how this all plays out. thank you. >> thank you. mr. acosta. >> commissioners, when i spoke to you the last time and we had a workshop at pier 40, i spoke to you about some issues and i will repeat them again.

when two men, two white men came here may be too moderate 50 years ago, lewis and clark -- maybe two hundred 50 years ago, lewis and clark, and they saw that everything was most pristine. today in the year 2012, we need developers who are on this project -- and i briefly worked for one gentleman who is a consultant to tell us in the year 2012 in a forum like this what is best for this great city and county of san francisco. on the one hand, we have the city. they are not capable of looking after our trees, some 26,000 trees that we have not factored

into this equation. we do have the ability to work on what i call repair and projects, which i have always that -- already brought to certain people in sfpuc to look at nine months ago. looking just to inform you, to give our young people a chance to work on a nursery, eggplant, work on -- of plants, work on repair projects and have the ability to maintain the trees that the department of public works and the city has neglected, or is going to neglect. i look forward to all of the good people that are talking about whatever is green, to work

with our work force to train and somehow -- they are going to do it. so they can participate in the year-end projects for the next five to 20 years. that being said, we need a steady to know how healthy lake merced is. when we talk about our peers that have not been mentioned, we need to get empirical information to know how to fix them. i will be participating slowly and steady -- and steadily on the practical aspects. >> thank you. is there any other public comment? >> i just want to say that the mexicans were here first before lewis and clark. [laughter]

>> thank you. and with that, thank you to the staff and all of the consultants that have contributed to this. this has been helpful. and we look forward to the wrapup session in five weeks. we are about to go into closed session. is there any public comment to be discussed in closed session? seeing none, if we can start that process of clearing the room. >> item 16, pursuant to code, section

>> the public utilities commission is back in session. regard and abiding past -- item 16, the commission unanimously approved a list of candidates to be sent to the mayor. the commission will not release the names or the number of candidates. could i have a motion regarding whether to disclose? >> disclosed the action? >> this is a motion whether to disclose. >> i moved not to disclose. >> second. >> ok, that carries. is there other new business? do we need to open the doors? [laughter]

>> david is out there. [laughter] [inaudible] >> this meeting is adjourned.

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