year. that is the root of the problem. we need opportunities. we need better schools. we need -- police got so much money, how about you put some of that money toward city college? maybe we will not have so many killings and murders and robberies going on. use and all these police out. you hire all these new police and the murders get salt. what is it doing? -- and no murders get solved. what is it doing? wasting our taxpayer dollars. that is what i see. >> [inaudible] >> commissioners, good evening. i want to reiterate something i brought up two years ago.

this city, on top of multiple murders, has a high unsolved murder rate. it relates to murders taking place today. they go on the books. unsolved to this day. i know the police department's this still be short 18-25 investigators. there -- we have murders and we have multiple unsolved murders. it compounds itself in the city. the man who spoke before me talking about the disparity of the community or somebody makes $10,000 a year and a police officer makes $150,000 a year. do is arresting who?

it is a major problem. the various weapons systems that you want to buy comes back to the same issue. the police department is a very effective force. investigations of murder go on warranted. they are not even discussed 60 days after they take place. the community at large is sick of that. i am sick of that. i have been a resident of the city for 44 years. i want to take place in the newspapers. the families are still there. the victims are still there. thank you for your time. [applause] >> i am bringing up again about the unsolved murders.

you cannot heal the people and the children. you're talking about making things look better. you are putting a band-aid over it. until the unsolved murders are getting solved -- there are still retaliation going on. these people remember and they see the people who did it and they're killing again. how long are we going to lead our children die? these people, these children have brothers and sisters. innocent kids are being murdered. this is a mental condition. we carry that with us every day. the kids are not learning because they are writing essays about their murdered family members. what do we do about this? we need to do something about

this. we should not have to go out and put our pictures and hang them up for people to tear them down. we need help. i do not know how many times i can say this. it has been five or six years since my son was murdered. he died saving someone else's life. i put him in catholic school. i did everything i was supposed to do as a mother and his life is gone. you have children. i know you do.

you have nieces. it is not as people of color. it is everybody. we need to do something. i am tired of crying. i am tired of looking at the news every day and seeing people die. give us a little bit of closure. just a little bit.

something. so that we can close our eyes and go to sleep at night. >> thank you, mrs. brown. next speaker. >> the police are talking about community violence with any kind of authority. historically, the sfpd have exploited committed to violence in order to justify your own violence in our communities. it is ironic that the police would have the nerve to come into our communities and teach conflict resolution, right? i think you guys need conflict resolution. i think it would be an incredible use of resources.

the overspending that we do on law-enforcement and san francisco could be beautifully spent on some type of conflict resolution training, some kind of sensitivity training. you are talking about having our kids not use guns on the street. i'd like to see the san francisco police do that. what you are seeing in our communities is what happens in any low income community. when you destroy the financial infrastructure, people start fighting over crumbs. that is what is happening. we are lacking services. this is not a problem the police can solve. i would like for the police to go home and focus on the violence that you bring into our communities instead of asking us to solve it. >> next speaker.

>> i will have to go back and check the tapes. maybe six times, president has praised the hell had of the chief of police. the idea that this body is objective with that kind of behaviorit is an abuse of your , and were it not for the oversight, this commission would not exist. thank you >> i am a tenant

organizer. they come in their hostile. a lot of people have mental issues. they come in grabbing their guns, and people with mental issues automatically get hostile spirit of our walk around in those neighborhoods. they do not approach those people the same way they approached me. if i am walking around the street, they put their hand on their guns. as soon as they see a black male

or a brown mail, automatically their hands go for the gun. they need the police department in the black community or the ground community to sit down and talk. you do not need another weapons system. gooat the end it is going to be another dead body on the street, and you have more high-tech weapons and the crimes are still unsolved. we need to talk. >> public comment is now close. i halves a quick question. we would like to solve every

homicide, but i think the solve rates have improved. like>> is 58%. it is twice what it used to be. >> let's call the next item. >> line item 3, discussion and possible action, presentation on energy devices, discussion to approved a pilot program were to take other action. >> i want to give a little background. the chief has the right to ask the things be put on the calendar for public comment period is up for discussion, and the timing is because the chief said he could not go any longer without addressing this issue,

so this is an issue we need to address tonight. i hope we have good conversation about what is right, what is going to save more lives, and i appreciate no comments from the audience. if you are interrupted, if it is not helping others, but we are going to hear from the community, and the chief wants to know if we are going to do this pilot program. he says he cannot wait any longer. i am going to turn it over for the introduction. >> i did want to state my objection to having this agenda item heard tonight, and i want to explain why. last wednesday we had a commission meeting, and we had

our usual agenda, and we had a commission items for different meetings. i was waiting to see if anyone was bringing up the issue. i was surprised nothing was brought about all. good -- brought up at all. when i received the package on friday, i happened to glance at it, and i know this the only item was of programs for energy devices. it has taken a lot of my time. i have been upset this is happening so quickly without public input, without notice this is happening. normally we tried to be more organized about scheduling.

normally there is more discussion. lastly i want to point out we passed a resolution, and i was among the people who supported this resolution, and the resolution was supports the region was approved in february of last year, and it -- and the resolution was approved in february of last year. i believe it was a six-one vote. it was an overwhelming majority of the commission that wanted this done, but i want to consider whether we want this done given the lack of notice to the broader public end to the commission. our resolution is to authorize the chief of police and to members of the police commission -- two members of the police commission for use of force and the equipment and to investigate and evaluate hazers

-- tasers and all other less lethal weapons based on research and development of a program. further, to develop the proposals in communities of color, lgbt, and other members of the community, and to set forth costs and other factors of the plan. gooto report back to the commisn within 90 days, also to direct the chief of police to make recommendations on changes to tactical training regarding the use of force within 90 days. this is subject to prior approval by the commission. we have never met.

to my understanding, there has been no consultation with any in the community outside of of few phone calls asking to support tasers. there has been no discussion of whether it would be a good idea. there has been no research of other less lethal weapons. i reached out to a competitor because they had contacted me and asked if they have ever heard from the department or received a response, and i have e-mailed proves they have not responded to deliver information, so i am concerned we are moving forward without having done any homework. i would like to moves to remove this agenda item tonight. is not affected?

-- is that a second? >> second. i was not a member of this commission in february of 2011. i joined this commission in june. i have not even had the benefit of reading the resolution i am bound by, and if i am bound by it, and the rest of the commission is bound by it. good behold a duty to the public -- we hold a duty to the public, so before we begin to debate whether we can have a pilot program, i think the virtue of good government is patience and consideration that is fully and form -- fully informed, and i do not feel fully informed. >> before we vote, we will hear from the cheese. >> i understand -- we will hear

from the chief. >> i understand, but i am also concerned about the resolution itself. i had no idea this would be today. it is monday. every time we have talked about it, we have been informed. the community has an opportunity to put their input in, and this last time we set a protocol in place. there are steps they would like to take to consider this but have not been done. i understand why it was put on very quickly. we put a process in place, and i think the process should be done and now and the public should contribute to? . >> -- should contribute to that.

>> the chiefs wanted to move forward and put this on the agenda of. we talked about how we voted 6-1 last year to look out weapons other than legal force for who -- lethal force. it is my understanding with the chief likes to do here is a very limited program. and only our officers with required mental health training the involved with this. what i will do is turn it over to the chief for his explanation before we have a vote over whether or not we should proceed with this this evening. >> thank you. immediately after the davis and washington shooting, which i cannot tell you how badly i feel about its, and i would like to

say i am sorry we did not have a different solution at our disposal, but we did not. i told commissioner chan that as my time as chief we have not used lethal force. >> you need to hold it down back there. >> [inaudible] >> i understand. [inaudible] >> to that end, we advise the department only when the person is a danger to themselves. we have not used legal force in

those instances. where there have been aggravated assault, officers gave many blocks over 10 minutes, at which point an officer contacted him to keep him from moving to a more populated area while still in possession of a weapon and could be a danger to others. >> please let him finish his statement. >> when turned on by the suspect had no other option at her disposal other than legal force. good -- lethal force. would a taser have made a difference? i honestly believe in that instance as with other instances, having a less lethal option would have made a difference. in canvassing all the other

police departments, they all have tasers. memphis, tenn., as of 2011, has gone to tasers. i believe out of respect for the commission to make policy for the police department, that at least the discussion should be made. i referenced the discussion of the police commission meeting, but out of respect for the public, and having suffered 10 homicides in june, and knowing this would be a heavily debated topic, i did not want to call it a taser, to add to that discussion. however it goes, i will respect of discussion, community input, however it goes, but i think it would be irresponsible for me to not ask for something that would allow the officers

something short of using the taser. i volunteered to be tased and suffered no lasting effects. there was no desire to do anything less than promote a public conversation with regard to the issue, because it has been said many times during my 15 months as she's at this podium -- as chief at this podium, why are we having this discussion? we have 74 officers trained. i am not asking for tasers for the entire police department. i am only asking for those who complete training, and i will submit it. >> i appreciate your comments.

my concern is the training is to help mentally ill individuals, and many have not committed a crime. if i had known it was coming, i would have thought for a legal opinion whether we could say we are going to use a taser against some of but no one else, just as group of specially trained people for mentally ill who -- specially trained for mentally ill people, like if we were going to say just for hispanics, it would be a violation of law, so i am going to ask for an opinion of that, and the other thing is i know we are asking for less lethal options, and i

know we have a shotgun that has been dogs, but how old is that technology -- the has beanbags, but how old is that technology? i am not seeing anything about the alternatives other than lasers. i am really concerned about the legality of singling out a particular group of our citizens, and the legality of saying we are going to ignore the protocol. as i am not singling out a demographic of people it might be used on. i am singling out officers. they would be using it as a trained and prescribed in policy. >> are believed that it nauseous the lights people in mentally ill situations -- i believe

that it is for mentally ill people. 5 they have concern for everybody. >> the last thing i want to say, why is it taking so long to get up and running? if the leadership is fine the -- behind the cit, why are we trying to drop a solution without weapons? >> we are not. this is on top of. >> i have a question, because i was not on the body when this resolution was approved, and i just have a copy of it now. it appears we already are in violation of ipsit, given that t says we were to get a report on the less legal options in 90

days -- less lethal options in 90 days. i do not know if you were the chief when that happens, so there may have been miscommunication, but that would be something. 18 months have gone by, so i would be curious if there was any insight on that. i could ask commissioner sachanr president marshall. i just elevated you. perhaps he was in charge of the first one. gooaxe commissioners, -- >> commissioners, we have got a pecking order, so i will speak and when it is my turn.

>> i can appreciate the chief coming to the commission with the proposition of going forward on taser is at this point given what has happened recently and overti time that nd may not have been front and forward in your agenda, and perhaps that is one reason why the buyer from study did not happen because of transitions and so on, -- why the background study did not happen because of transitions and so on. we do have a couple of new commissioners who need to be brought up-to-date on this, and and i understand the concerns of the community and commissioner chan as well as turman, and i

would like to propose if the other commissioners would agree that we at least here the presentation that has been put together with the understanding that it will give us some more insight on what they have in mind and agreeing not to vote on any action items tonight but to reschedule so the community does have an opportunity to have input in the pilot, to have an opportunity after they have given the initial presentation, to get our initial impact and then to go forward at a later date that is perhaps more in compliance with some of the factors