not see -- it will be redacted, their social security numbers. that's not relevant to whether or not they should be hired as patrol specialist, one exmp. so we have a legal framework for that and hopefully the patrol specials will bring those names forward to the commission in at near future to consider those applications. >> one more data i wanted to add to our calendar, the data report-back from director giffen we we we suggesting the -- i was wondering if november 14 would work. great. so november 14 it is. it's the second -- that's the second wednesday. i always forget we're not meeting the second wednesday. perhaps november 24 or november 7. we can wait to see what works best for the director and circle back to this. so hopefully november 7 will work, and if not

we'll figure it out. for now we'll see you november 7. >> great. i think we have one commission announcement to make. i think it's regarding our meeting that was scheduled for the end of the month. inspector monroe ingeddle due to the observance of the religious holiday we will not have a meeting on september 26. that was going to be a scheduled community meeting which we'll change to october 17. >> thank you. >> that's the september meeting. i was going ask ask if we were going to be here. the october community meeting since october 17 takes us to the september meeting date. >> we were going to have the september meeting on the 26th but -- so we switched that date to october 17. >> so when is the october community meeting? >> well we haven't

scheduled -- >> that's why i'm aski asking. >> now, ladies and gentlemen, we're ready for public comment regarding line items 3a, b, c or d. please come forward. >> chief, and director hicks, ray hartz, director san francisco open government. i had come prepared to talk about another part of this item. however, it's just too great an opportunity to pass up. i can't figure out whether we're sitting in a time warp back to the 50's and 60's or whether we're sitting in arizona. if what i'm hearing is correct, since members of the public weren't given access to this information, it was not visible on the screen, where you could read it, it would seem very convenient that if i'm an officer in arizona, and i don't want anybody to know that i happen to be stopping a lot of illegals, i can simply

put them down as other, or white. and as a result, it is underreported. now i've addressed this before in prior commission meetings. the reality is, part of the problem with justice in this country is the fact that mechanisms are in place which allow people to manipulate the system, and do illegal actions, and get away with it. these five officers who did not report traffic stop data, why is that. do i not want you to know that all of these officers fall into a pattern of citizens that i stop? so i simply report them as other? and if you're saying that the department of justice, and the state of california, don't have a category for latino or hispanic, what does someone whose great grandparents were all latino, whose parents are latino, and who

consider themselves to be latino, think, when they're stopped by the police officer, is reported as white, or other. is it an honest, i'm a police officer and i don't have any choice, or is it i get to cover up what i'm doing, which is illegal, by simply using the system in place, which allows me to do it. and this going back and saying, well, you know, it's been up 'til now, that doesn't cut it. are you telling me that it just all of a sudden dawned on the san francisco police department that it is really odd we don't have any hispanic or latino arrests in the city of san francisco? nobody on the police commission noticed this prior to tonight? everybody on commissions in this city wants to take credit for everything that they do right, and deny responsibility for things they do wrong. the bottom line is this shows that the

san francisco police department has been historically underreporting certain categories of arrests and interactions with citizens of this city, and as a result, have told the public things which are not true. do you want to call them lies? you can. it's how i think of th them. >> next speaker. >> once again, my name is maria balle, i live in the tenderloin district. crime comes in many colors and cultures. it's all bad. it need to be stopped. i'm going to stay that narcotic and string operation needs to be done. that comes in all colors and all cultures as well. you also have a problem with people doing food stamp crime. and that comes in all districts. now i'm going to say, as i've said many times to all of you and i'm repeating myself once

again, which you know upsets me. there's a lot of crime e tenderloin. all crime must stop. there is a major need for sting operation to stop drugs and prostitution. law enforcement needs to come in with tough, hard action. no more being nice to criminals. all right. it needs to stop. while the rest of the law enforcement also needs to soldier up to stop all crime, make the tenderloin district police get tough on crime. with undercover action, high volume of drugs in some dealers have small amounts on them, they are turning over big money, they reup in the area. i am getting really angry in repeating myself constantly, not the only to narcotics division but to law enforcement because i see a lot of weak action. nobody's coming in tough. the tenderloin has been labeled bad news by

government, and active duty military for years and years. and that fuels my fire. it does. you need to start getting tough. because somebody's running the district, they're pulling a lot of money in through drugs and prostitution. and they're intercekd interconnected with the commission district as well as all other districts that are crime. a lot of money is being made. you need to get an undercover sting operation going so they can connect with who is -- up and even dealers who have small amounts on them in the street, like i said they're right next door, in the buildings, in hotels, down the street, the turning lots of money. i work on the federal level with dea and f.b.i. who is busting a lot harder criminals. if we pull together and work as a team, law enforcement on all levels can crush crime. now, i want everybody to get tough and serious

with law enforcement. and you know that's a fact. i want everybody to sink their teeth in, get a big bite out of you crime. i'm going to give you this paper here. i want a sting operation now. not next week, not tomorrow, right now. >> thank you. next speaker. >> trying to get this other person -- video is still up here and i'm trying to play my -- >> you want the computer? >> yes. her thing is still up there.

>> it plugged in? turn it off? >> no. you asked me to press the button and i did. >> we'll take the next speaker while you work on that. ms. brown, do you mind? next speaker please. >> good evening, commission. good evening, chief, director. tonight, a report apparently has been submitted by the chief of police to the

commission, as regards less lethal options for arming police officers in the city and county of san francisco. there's also been casual mention of the fulfillment of a conditional review that was instituted in february of 2010, and part of that involved community consultation. of course earlier, we heard a report about the use of racial categorization, racial categories. these are wonderful instruction. what i'm here to speak about tonight which is the people's own information gathering, and consensus gathering, and discussion of the issuance of tasers to san francisco police department. and we are compiling a lot of data on our own. i have packets for the

six present commissioners right now. this is one set of data that we're working with that lists 180 taser related deaths since 2009. we're compiling other data. also, i wanted to make a comment that the community reserve the right to determine the parameters of community consultation. and we're in the process of working out our methodology and working out what we feel would constitute a representative community group to have a political position expressed in chambers such as this. and we would like to request from the commission permission to present this methodology and this proposed community consultation paradigm at the next police commission meeting. finally, i'd like to just following the same theme, i'd like to point out that if we have --

yes, there was the article that came out last week, there was a rebuttal tonight. obviously, through the discussion, and just the confusion events by the interaction between the director, the chief, the commission, with such inconsistencies, in it the data such inconsistencies in the reporting, and widely acknowledged trends in disproportionate policing, and use of force based on race, and ethnicity among other key factors, i think that moving ahead with any kind of a new issuance of weapons or increased enforcement before clearing up any of these factors, is a wrong-headed move. thank you. >> thank you. >> if i could introduce these documents for the six commissioners, please.

>> move to the next speaker while ms. brown is working on that. next speaker. >> good evening, commissioners, chief, director hicks, members of the community. i hope i misheard, i heard commissioner chan say that 53 errors were reported under asians. i misheard. very good. i'm glad. however, i want point out that in my neighborhood alone, in bayview hunters point, i see arrests that are being done by the -- by the gang injunction unit. and i can tell you right off the bat that there's way over 316 arrests of latinos or -- hispanics as you may want to call them. so that's grossly

underreported. i hope that that is something that the department can attend to. also i wanted to let you know that while preparing an extensive comprehensive document for the next police commission session, about comparative study about cost of litigation and lawsuits that are generated by taser related death or taser related injuries. that the taxpayers are incurring. so i will submit that to you at your next open session. and -- has prepared this report that has been submitted for your review today, about the recent things that -- 2009. this was actually produced by aclu. thank you. >> i just want to make a comment before you begin, ms. brown.

i think it will be best if you brought the comprehensive document, which we are all very interested in seeing, to the next subcommittee meeting, rather than the police commission. tasers are not going to be on next week's agenda but we are going to be having a subcommittee where i would be more than interesting in seeing any information or anything you have to present as well as commissioner chan and commissioner loftus. >> excellent. -- for bringing it to our attention. >> thank you very much. next speaker. ms. brown, are you ready yet? take your time. >> i'll just do it on... >> okay.

>> these are all the children that are being murdered in san francisco. well, we can just watch the video.

you can just tell from the pictures there. and i'm showing this because these cases haven't been involved yet and our children are still killing each other. and they're unsolved homicides. >> crime and violence in unsafe neighborhoods -- [inaudible] >> this is an organization called the

healing circle, which i a member of, senior advocate and office/administrator. and i also want to show pictures of other young men that have been murdered in san francisco. take that off and --

>> thank you, inspector monroe. thank you, ms. brown. next speaker. hi. my name is rebecca and i

work with the -- foundation. i want to thank ms. hicks for the report of the citizens complaints. so there were a few notable things for me going on. one was that police weren't taking calls of domestic violence seriously. they weren't getting full information in traffic stops, most notably what we heard about is not getting racial category information. there are a few things to give -- refusing to give people badge numbers when people have complained about their unprofessional behavior, their declining to go to mediation with community members, and as i heard the last time i was here, they haven't followed through with the mental health training that was agreed upon. so with all that going on, now we're talking about giving them even more weapons, talking about giving them tasers. so it's always upsetting

because as a community member i know that the complaints that are filed, even though there's hundreds of them, they're a fraction of what's going on in community because generally people don't file complaints. generally people are afraid to file complaints against the police. so i just wanted to highlight the kind of -- the gross incompetence with the san francisco police department. i think the gentleman who got up here and talked about racial profiling had a lot of good points because i mean if we look at it, if we're not talking about -- if we're not counting hispanic arrests, latino arrests, chicano arrests, we could be allowing a lot of racial profiling to take place. either that is gross incompetence or a serious manipulation of the public. and i'm inclined to say it's the latter,

honestly. though i think there's a combination of the two happening. but i wanted to ask, again, that the police go through with the mental health training that was required of them, that we talked about in the last meeting. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> michael -- san francisco gray panthers. this whole business about this kind of shadowy introduction of tasers is very puzzling as to what's going on. but san francisco gray panthers wants to say that we're firmly against any kind of introduction of tasers. the former police chief argued that tasers would reduce officer-related shootings by as much as a third. this is a false argument. if police officers are

generally in danger by an armed suspect, they're going to use a gun, even if they have tasers. aclu research shows that 80% of tasers used against unarmed individuals. police officers are adequately trained and willing to use their training, they can handle non-compliance subjects without tasers. psych techs do it every day. tasers are not non-lethal. and -- international has counted 257 taser related deaths in the u.s. as of early 2011. when police tase someone they have no way of knowing whether or not they're particularly sensitive to this. i feel strongly about this, having had a triple bypass myself. the other thing is that we can't depend on the courts to protect us

against abuse of tasers. there's a case of a seven month pregnant woman in seattle, a black woman pulled over or alleged speeding and she refused to sign the ticket thinking it was an admission of guilty and she didn't get out of her car and was tasered three times. worse yet the court ruled that the police acted reasonably. this introduction of tasers to the police force in san francisco, given this huge background of racial profiling of the gang injunctions, of the incredible sweeps through the police -- through the buses in the mission district and in bayview, you cannot introduce tasers against that background. >> next speaker. >> good evening. my name is slena -- and

i am representing the juvenile -- justice today, a nonprofit based in san francisco. we provide direct services, technical assistance and data-driven policy analysis. we've been monitoring, analyzing and reporting on san francisco's arrest trends using data made available through the department of justice for the past decades. we issued reports in 2004, 2005, and moft recently in april of this year. documenting a 40 year history of racially drim in aatory crais practices against african-american residents. the latest report was presented to the san francisco human rights commission, but it was also distributed to this commission and to the chief of police as well. upon commission loftus has indicated interest in examining the findings more closely and i would be happy to come back another time to present on those. i'm here today to express the full support for efforts to address the limitationses of the

sfpd basic arrest collection system. there is increased urgency to assure accurate data is examined. unfortunately san francisco's arrests were also severely underreported in 2010 due due to a technical glitch in the data system which means there is no way to know how police -- impacted residents that year. i know it is lab orous task to backdate the -- but it would be extremely helpful and provide an accurate baseline for measuring public safety measures under realignment. if you could do just a year or two years prior to realignment being implemented it would be useful i think for san francisco. i would also encourage chief and this commission to examine the data sfpd collects once the system has been upgraded and to analyze it in the context of policies and practices of the police department. we recommended it in

april in our report and would still support adoption of the plan to report -- of drug arrest practices specifically and again i would be happy to provide more information on those trends at a later date. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> good evening. so this was kind of a side note. one, i'm just wondering if there was a category for earthling, just off the top of my head. anyway, so what i've run into, here in the last year and a half, i've done a considerable amount of research, one on youtube, punched in police brutality and believe me there's over 500 videos on there. obviously we're dealing

with the worst case scenarios. you know, if the -- if something dramatic didn't happen, and nobody's going to put it on youtube, if it it wasn't a problem there would be no incentive. so most of what i've seen is just a negative. i realize that there's a great deal of police activity that doesn't go into the brutality where it's unwarranted. now with that said, i see young people being tasered, i see a tremendous amount of smashing people's heads into concrete, you know, this face-down, take down. around the tasers aren't being used instead of a gun. they're being used because people won't comply, they won't put their face in the gutter. it's bizarre when it goes bad. like this gentleman just mentioned, there wasn't