i'm mainly talking about my child. i'm talking about me. how long am i going to suffer. how long -- and i'm not blaming anybody but how long do we have to suffer as parents that our children are being murdered. don't say take care of your own because when you do that, when we take care of our own and you kill there's a rippling effect and people continue to die every day. >> president mazzucco: thank you. next speaker. >> my name's -- bowler. so we live in a gun culture. i don't go to movies. but i know -- and i don't have a television. but i know that gun violence, it goes on all the time in front of our

faces. it's embedded in our culture. and i say that partly because of the prior speaker. i wanted to comment on something that i saw in the paper recently, which had to do with muni having -- i don't think it's the police. i think it's people that they hire to check to see if you've paid your fare. and i read that the intention is to have them carry guns. the idea of people carrying guns on muni with the risk that they might be used in crowded -- on a crowded bus, with people in the way of the bullets, is

unacceptable. i don't know if this is the appropriate place to say that, but i would -- if it the police are on the bus with guns, that would also not be an acceptable practice, in my mind. i was on a bus once when some undercover police began acting out, doing -- forcing somebody off the bus. i don't think that's a good idea either, because the person witnessing it does not know that these are undercover police. what they see is an act of violence being committed for unknown reasons. and that is not an acceptable part of social living, to my

mind either. so thank you for listening. >> president mazzucco: thank you. next speaker. >> good evening, again. german miller with the -- foundation. it occurred to me that last night, i asked a question to a captain of the bayview precinct, captain sullivan. asked him a question and i didn't get an answer to it. i was just sitting here thinking, i was wondering how ready these answers would be from precincts across the city. and the question that i asked him was i said, well, hey, how many cit officers are working here in this precinct. and, you know, we got -- you know, he addressed a couple other questions, and i will grant that it

was a public setting so he may have just glossed over it. but i recognize that when we have come here and heard reports about the progress, or lack thereof, of cit in san francisco, there hasn't been much specification. there's been well we've had these classes and x amount of officers, you know, ali's name comes up as a model but that's what we get. we don't get solid information as to if we live in this neighborhood who can we look for that has allegedly gone through this training, who can we look for when something is happening, who can we look for on the street and how would you address the situation, who can the community look to when we're trying to assess the physical reality of cit and the impact to our neighborhoods. is this information

broken down by which precinct these officers are working out of, and is that information public, and can that be presented to the public because i think that's very vital information for the public to have. thank you. >> president mazzucco: thank you. any further public comment on items not on the agenda? >> you're about to go into closed session, and for me, i'm wonder when do those records become available, and when will i be able to get a copy of those? i just feel like -- the other thing that i'm concerned about is these officers, they got this little black stripe, and it seems like they're covering their badge numbers. i'm just concerned about that. i went to a protest, and it seemed like they got sunglasses on, these hats, and then they got their badge numbers covered up. it just feels like they're just hiding out.

i mean they're packed, and they got a big group of people, and they're hiding out from the public. >> president mazzucco: thank you. any further public comment? it's now closed. in response to your questions the officers are wearing the black stripe over their badge in mourning for the california highway proffer who we honor in our meeting. it's customary for all law enforcement agencies to do that. they're not trying to hide their badge number. what becomes public record we're about to go into closed session regarding california supreme court ruling, the officers personnel matters are confidential. however we do in fact provide statistics on a pretty frequent basis about what the results of our case is, and what the dispositions are. again that's why we do it because the officers have, like any employee of any company there is privacy rights.

if we can call line item no. 4. >> line item 4, public comment on all matters pertaining to item 6 below, closed session, including public comment on vote whether to hold item 6 in closed session. >> that's what i just discussed, these are private matters protected and privileged to public comment. do i have a motion? i move that we move into -- >> commissioners, ray hartz, director of san francisco open government. as i spoke previously regarding this very issue at the very first commission, session which i attended in which you adjourned in the middle of a agenda item, went into closed session for four hours and as a result denied a number of members of the public opportunity to comment on the item because you came back after the four hours, finished up the agenda and said is there any other public comment and i was the only person

sitting in the room. i'll be honest with you, given that i also talked earlier about the problems i've had with your legal division, chief, regarding not following the sunshine ordinance, the california public records act, i think for me, i will speak solely. i have a hard time believing, when you claim an exemption, whether you're being honest with the public about the basis for the exemption. to be very honest with you, once you're lied to by certain people, once people tell you something that you know is not true, and that you know they know is not true, you begin to question everything they tell you. and when they then expect you to simply take them at their word, when you know in some cases their word is no good, that's not unreasonable in my mind. i stood up at this commission a few years

ago. and i wanted to talk about that adjournment, and the subsequent denial of public comment, and i was told point blank, you can't talk about that, you can only talk about agenda item a, b and c. and i said in response and that is a violation of my constitutional rights. and then i was forced to drag you, this commission, to the sunshine ordinance task force, which said i was right. and yet there has not been a word, an acknowledgement or apology or anything else. very frankly, what i said about the police department's legal division not feeling any compulsion to follow the california public record act or bract holds true for this commission. i have witnessed myself. as a citizen who sees know your rights under sunshine on your agenda and then is under the extra burden of having to take you to court -- to a hearing before the sunshine ordinance task

force, which the person who did it won't even bother to attend, is i think really egregious. we will follow the rules if it suits our purpose and if it doesn't we'll simply ignore them. then when people question our honesty, we will act like oh,, he's just a crum pi old man that has nothing to do than come here and make it hard on the police department. believe it or not just because you say something negative doesn't mean you're trying to hurt somebody, it may be that you're trying to help. >> president mazzucco: any further public comment on whether or not these matters should be in closed session for personal matters. please come forward. >> german miller of the -- foundation. it's very interesting, public comment period right now because i don't know that i recall ever having a public comment period about closed session but i'm very grateful for it. >> have it every week. >> you have that every week? >> yes, sir. >> excuse me. i had not noticed that

procedure of yours. this one in it particular, i want to say that on principle, i am definitely opposed to this matter being discussed in closed session. i'm very cognizant of the applicable laws of the applicable supreme court decision as was referenced. i understand the legal basis. however, myself and many others that i'm in communication with, have never accepted the philosophical and ethical rationale of those laws. it seems to me that in evaluating -- performance evaluation of the chief of police is a prime example of the public's business. i think the public has a right to know how the review process of the

command staff or the police department is proceeding, and what the critiques and rebuttals may be approximate likewise, and this is quite more serious, another issue that is to be addressed in closed session is the review of findings and decision to return officer to duty following an officer-involved shooting. as you all are well aware we've come before this body many times with serious critiques and questions about officer involved shootings and one of the things we've brought up is that we find it to be an inherent hazard to the community when officers who have been involved in officer involved shootings are returned to the community to patrol armed while questions linger about their responsibility in these acts. to have such an activity returning officer to duty take place, with the review of such to take place in a closed session is against the public good, flat out.

and i'd like to thank you for this opportunity to present that view and i assure you it is not mine alone and wie are constantly working to open this process up for the safety and protection of the public. >> any further public comment on this? hearing none, public comment is closed. do i have a motion? all line item 5. >> whether to hold item 6 in closed session. action. >> do i have a motion. >> exwr so moved. >> second. >> all in favor? >> aye. >> thank you, ladies and gentlemen. >> thank you. all the commissioner are present. we're on line item 7, whether to schoas discussion held in closed session. do i have a motion? >> move not to close. >> second?

>> second. >> all in favor. >> aye. >> line item 8, which is adjournment. >> line item 8, adjournment is zl as i stated at the beginning of the police commission agenda weed like to close and adjourn in memory of california highway patrol kenyon youngstrom, age 37, who will be buried tomorrow who died in the line of duty last week serving the state of california. we send our sympathy to his family and his cohorts, and retired san francisco plaintiffs inspector art fobs who died last week after serving the police department for more than 40 years and my father's former partner. may he stop at the pancake in the sky before going to -- that was his daily routine. we'll miss you, and officer kenyon youngstrom, thank you for your service. we have a motion. >> so moved. >> second. >> all in favor?

>> aye. >> we're adjourned.

>> hello, my name is jamie harper. in this episode, we are featuring the park locations in your very own backyard. this is your chance to find your heart in san francisco with someone special. golden gate park's largest body of water is this lake, a popular spot for strolling and paddling around in boats, which can be rented. created in 1893, it was designed foreboding and -- for boating. it is named for the wild strawberries that once flores. a pleasant trail follows the perimeter past huntington

falls, 110 foot waterfall. two bridges connect the trail to the island. the climb to the hills summit, the highest point in golden gate park at more than four hundred feet. you can get quinces of the western side of the city through -- glimpes of the western side of city through a thick trees. the lake is ada accessible. it has a peaceful atmosphere where you can enjoy a warm day. walk along the lake and watched many ducks, and swans, and seagulls. it is a tranquil spot to stroll, enjoy each other's company, and sail away. many couples come here to take a ride around the lake, floating under the bridges, past the pavilion and waterfall. for a quiet getaway, it makes

for a memorable and magical experience. located on 19th avenue, this grove is the place to wear your hiking boots, bring your family, and bring the dog because it has so much to offer you and your loved ones. it is a truly hidden gem in the city. the part is rich with eucalyptus trees. long paths allow you to meander, perfect for dog walking in a wooded environment. >> i enjoy this base and the history behind it. the diversity that exists in such an urban city, the concrete, the streets, cars, we have this oasis of a natural

environment. it reminds us of what san francisco initially was. >> this is a section for dogs and plenty of parking. transit is available to get you there easily. and the part is ada -- park is ada accessible. there is also a natural lake. this is your chance to stroll and let the kids run free. it also has many birds to watch. it is the place to find some solitude from the city and appreciate what you share with a wonderful breath of fresh air. , an experienced this park and enjoy the peoples, picnics, and sunshine. this is a lovely place to take a stroll with your loved one hand in hand.

located in the middle of pacific heights on top of a hill, lafayette park offers a great square a of a peaceful beauty. large trees border greenery. it features tables and benches, a playground, restaurants, and tennis courts. there are plenty of areas for football, frisbee, and picnics. it is very much a couple's part and there are a multitude of experiences you can have together. bring your dog and watch the mean go with the community or just picnic at one of the many tables and enjoy all of the park has to offer. many couples find this is the perfect place to put down a blanket and soak up the sun. it is a majestic place you can share with someone you cherish. it is located along the 1 and 10 buses and is accessed from the

47 and 90 buses. it is ada accessible. for more information about reserving one of these locations, call 831-5500. this number is best for special events, weddings, picnics, and the county fair building. for any athletic fields and neighborhood parks, 831-5510. you can also write us. or walking in and say hello at old lock cabin, golden gate park. and of course you can find more information and reach us at sfrecpark.org.