>> well thank you for explaining that. >> you're welcome. >> commissioner chan. >> commissioner chan: thank you for your report. i wanted to ask about the -- it looks like five on here, of officers failing to collect traffic data and these officers being admonished. is that -- seems like a lot. i'm wondering, has that, from you and from the chief, what's happening on the ground with the officers? are these abhoritions, is there an increase, his decrease? twha's happening with the collection of traffic stop data? >> so as i've told the commission before, on a first offense it's an admonishment on the second offense it's a reprimand on the third, it's a day off, suspension, and on a subsequent offense the officer is reaferred to the police commission.

>> it's not just a catholic mass but for members of the public. we had a rabbi, a methodist minister. and it's to celebrate the lives of the police officers and fftion who died. it's an interesting lesson that dovetails in terms of what the occ is doing. there was a sermon about accepting people for who they are and welcoming no matter what they looked like. it was a perfect lesson for those there and it was a an excellent event. i want to thank the commissioners and director hicks who was there with the police commission and police department command staff. the officers appreciated it. i would like to see more officers there in the near future. that's one commentary.

but in addition to that, i want to thank the commissioners for the work on the report we've been working on wrerches reference to the less than lethal. that's all i have to report this evening. commissioners, anything to report? let's move on to line item d. >> line item d, commission announcements amounted scheduling of items identified for consideration at future commission meetings. >> commission chan, i think there's an item we both discussed that we'd like to add chngeddle >> commissioner chan: i wanted to defer to commissioner turman to explain. >> commissioner turman: yes. at the i think two commission meetings ago we discussed -- sorry, the last commission meeting, we discussed firearms review board procedure, and we are currently looking at the

dgo's that accompany that particular procedure, as well as we've had some discussion about the commissioners' role in it as well. and in understanding and trying to ferret out exactly the problems we think it would be helpful to have a presentation, not just to the commission but for the public to hear about exactly how that process works. sort of a tutorial on when that process is initiated, and for what reasons, and how the end result. so we'd like to schedule that. we're hopeful we can do it on -- i think october 17, that that time slot is available. and from there, it is not -- >> october 17, commissioner, will be in the district, the community meeting. >> october 10 and october 24, how are we on those days? >> good on those days. >> okay. >> commissioner turman: we want to give the department time enough to be able to

prepare, with october 10. >> october 24 -- >> supervisor farrell: >> commissioner turman: would the 24th be in the community? >> 17th is in the community. >> commissioner turman: okay. so then october 24th it seems like it would be a preparation. is that doable, chief? is. >> sure. >> commissioner turman: okay. from there, we can further refine our knowledge of exactly how that process works, and give us an education on what we're looking into these issues as we've discussed previously. >> and with the two dgo's that we mentioned, actually both of them, one is in the works -- ready some changes on the firearm review board, and our suggestions and thoughts that we have after talking with katy porter our city attorney we're going to put in red line format. prior to this meeting we're going to our gel l

is to get it to the commissioners for your feedback and have the presentation from the department where step by step we can -- the public is explained whaption after an officer involved shooting, the review that takes place, for us to ask questions and understand what's happening a and for us to provide feedback to some of the suggestions we have for making the firearms discharge review process clear to us as commissioners. that's what we're going to do and get the chiefs and director's feedback on our suggestions. so that would be a decent sized agenda item and it would be helpful for the project to know what happens after an officer involved shooting. >> one item i would like to add on the agenda is we had one evening the review and determination by the commission to hire certain patrol special officers and there was concern amongst the commissioners about how can we hire these officers because they report to the commission, how can we hire them without seeing

their background packets. there was objection from patrol special officers about having us see the packets. and i think it was pretty much unanimous amongst commissioners that well we can't responsibly move forward without seeing what's in their background packet because unlike the police department, the police department does the background checks for the officers. so we've spoken to the head of patrol specials, and we've also talked to katy porter deputy city attorney. deputy city attorney katy porter has given a framework and we'll discuss at the meeting when we assign this for us to actually review the personnel files, and protect the privacy interest of the officers, who were applying for patrol special officers, and giving us basically a full evaluation of what we're about to hire as patrol special assistants. and just to give you a brief idea, for example, the commissioners will not see -- it will be redacted, their social

security numbers. that's not relevant to whether or not they should be hired as patrol specialist, one exmp. so we have a legal framework for that and hopefully the patrol specials will bring those names forward to the commission in at near future to consider those applications. >> one more data i wanted to add to our calendar, the data report-back from director giffen we we we suggesting the -- i was wondering if november 14 would work. great. so november 14 it is. it's the second -- that's the second wednesday. i always forget we're not meeting the second wednesday. perhaps november 24 or november 7. we can wait to see what works best for the director and circle back to this. so hopefully november 7 will work, and if not we'll figure it out. for now we'll see you

november 7. >> great. i think we have one commission announcement to make. i think it's regarding our meeting that was scheduled for the end of the month. inspector monroe ingeddle due to the observance of the religious holiday we will not have a meeting on september 26. that was going to be a scheduled community meeting which we'll change to october 17. >> thank you. >> that's the september meeting. i was going ask ask if we were going to be here. the october community meeting since october 17 takes us to the september meeting date. >> we were going to have the september meeting on the 26th but -- so we switched that date to october 17. >> so when is the october community meeting? >> well we haven't scheduled -- >> that's why i'm aski

asking. >> now, ladies and gentlemen, we're ready for public comment regarding line items 3a, b, c or d. please come forward. >> chief, and director hicks, ray hartz, director san francisco open government. i had come prepared to talk about another part of this item. however, it's just too great an opportunity to pass up. i can't figure out whether we're sitting in a time warp back to the 50's and 60's or whether we're sitting in arizona. if what i'm hearing is correct, since members of the public weren't given access to this information, it was not visible on the screen, where you could read it, it would seem very convenient that if i'm an officer in arizona, and i don't want anybody to know that i happen to be stopping a lot of illegals, i can simply put them down as other, or white.

and as a result, it is underreported. now i've addressed this before in prior commission meetings. the reality is, part of the problem with justice in this country is the fact that mechanisms are in place which allow people to manipulate the system, and do illegal actions, and get away with it. these five officers who did not report traffic stop data, why is that. do i not want you to know that all of these officers fall into a pattern of citizens that i stop? so i simply report them as other? and if you're saying that the department of justice, and the state of california, don't have a category for latino or hispanic, what does someone whose great grandparents were all latino, whose parents are latino, and who consider themselves to be latino, think, when

they're stopped by the police officer, is reported as white, or other. is it an honest, i'm a police officer and i don't have any choice, or is it i get to cover up what i'm doing, which is illegal, by simply using the system in place, which allows me to do it. and this going back and saying, well, you know, it's been up 'til now, that doesn't cut it. are you telling me that it just all of a sudden dawned on the san francisco police department that it is really odd we don't have any hispanic or latino arrests in the city of san francisco? nobody on the police commission noticed this prior to tonight? everybody on commissions in this city wants to take credit for everything that they do right, and deny responsibility for things they do wrong. the bottom line is this shows that the san francisco police

department has been historically underreporting certain categories of arrests and interactions with citizens of this city, and as a result, have told the public things which are not true. do you want to call them lies? you can. it's how i think of th them. >> next speaker. >> once again, my name is maria balle, i live in the tenderloin district. crime comes in many colors and cultures. it's all bad. it need to be stopped. i'm going to stay that narcotic and string operation needs to be done. that comes in all colors and all cultures as well. you also have a problem with people doing food stamp crime. and that comes in all districts. now i'm going to say, as i've said many times to all of you and i'm repeating myself once again, which you know upsets me.

there's a lot of crime e tenderloin. all crime must stop. there is a major need for sting operation to stop drugs and prostitution. law enforcement needs to come in with tough, hard action. no more being nice to criminals. all right. it needs to stop. while the rest of the law enforcement also needs to soldier up to stop all crime, make the tenderloin district police get tough on crime. with undercover action, high volume of drugs in some dealers have small amounts on them, they are turning over big money, they reup in the area. i am getting really angry in repeating myself constantly, not the only to narcotics division but to law enforcement because i see a lot of weak action. nobody's coming in tough. the tenderloin has been labeled bad news by government, and active duty military for years

and years. and that fuels my fire. it does. you need to start getting tough. because somebody's running the district, they're pulling a lot of money in through drugs and prostitution. and they're intercekd interconnected with the commission district as well as all other districts that are crime. a lot of money is being made. you need to get an undercover sting operation going so they can connect with who is -- up and even dealers who have small amounts on them in the street, like i said they're right next door, in the buildings, in hotels, down the street, the turning lots of money. i work on the federal level with dea and f.b.i. who is busting a lot harder criminals. if we pull together and work as a team, law enforcement on all levels can crush crime. now, i want everybody to get tough and serious with law enforcement. and you know that's a

fact. i want everybody to sink their teeth in, get a big bite out of you crime. i'm going to give you this paper here. i want a sting operation now. not next week, not tomorrow, right now. >> thank you. next speaker. >> trying to get this other person -- video is still up here and i'm trying to play my -- >> you want the computer? >> yes. her thing is still up there.

>> it plugged in? turn it off? >> no. you asked me to press the button and i did. >> we'll take the next speaker while you work on that. ms. brown, do you mind? next speaker please. >> good evening, commission. good evening, chief, director. tonight, a report apparently has been submitted by the chief of police to the commission, as regards

less lethal options for arming police officers in the city and county of san francisco. there's also been casual mention of the fulfillment of a conditional review that was instituted in february of 2010, and part of that involved community consultation. of course earlier, we heard a report about the use of racial categorization, racial categories. these are wonderful instruction. what i'm here to speak about tonight which is the people's own information gathering, and consensus gathering, and discussion of the issuance of tasers to san francisco police department. and we are compiling a lot of data on our own. i have packets for the six present commissioners right now. this is one set of data

that we're working with that lists 180 taser related deaths since 2009. we're compiling other data. also, i wanted to make a comment that the community reserve the right to determine the parameters of community consultation. and we're in the process of working out our methodology and working out what we feel would constitute a representative community group to have a political position expressed in chambers such as this. and we would like to request from the commission permission to present this methodology and this proposed community consultation paradigm at the next police commission meeting. finally, i'd like to just following the same theme, i'd like to point out that if we have -- yes, there was the article that came out last week, there was a

rebuttal tonight. obviously, through the discussion, and just the confusion events by the interaction between the director, the chief, the commission, with such inconsistencies, in it the data such inconsistencies in the reporting, and widely acknowledged trends in disproportionate policing, and use of force based on race, and ethnicity among other key factors, i think that moving ahead with any kind of a new issuance of weapons or increased enforcement before clearing up any of these factors, is a wrong-headed move. thank you. >> thank you. >> if i could introduce these documents for the six commissioners, please.

>> move to the next

speaker while ms. brown is working on that. next speaker. >> good evening, commissioners, chief, director hicks, members of the community. i hope i misheard, i heard commissioner chan say that 53 errors were reported under asians. i misheard. very good. i'm glad. however, i want point out that in my neighborhood alone, in bayview hunters point, i see arrests that are being done by the -- by the gang injunction unit. and i can tell you right off the bat that there's way over 316 arrests of latinos or -- hispanics as you may want to call them. so that's grossly underreported. i hope that that is

something that the department can attend to. also i wanted to let you know that while preparing an extensive comprehensive document for the next police commission session, about comparative study about cost of litigation and lawsuits that are generated by taser related death or taser related injuries. that the taxpayers are incurring. so i will submit that to you at your next open session. and -- has prepared this report that has been submitted for your review today, about the recent things that -- 2009. this was actually produced by aclu. thank you. >> i just want to make a comment before you begin, ms. brown.

i think it will be best if you brought the comprehensive document, which we are all very interested in seeing, to the next subcommittee meeting, rather than the police commission. tasers are not going to be on next week's agenda but we are going to be having a subcommittee where i would be more than interesting in seeing any information or anything you have to present as well as commissioner chan and commissioner loftus. >> excellent. -- for bringing it to our attention. >> thank you very much. next speaker. ms. brown, are you ready yet? take your time. >> i'll just do it on... >> okay.

>> these are all the children that are being murdered in san francisco. well, we can just watch the video. you can just tell from

the pictures there. and i'm showing this because these cases haven't been involved yet and our children are still killing each other. and they're unsolved homicides. >> crime and violence in unsafe neighborhoods -- [inaudible] >> this is an organization called the healing circle, which i a member of, senior

advocate and office/administrator. and i also want to show pictures of other young men that have been murdered in san francisco. take that off and --

>> thank you, inspector monroe. thank you, ms. brown. next speaker. hi. my name is rebecca and i work with the -- foundation. i want to thank

ms. hicks for the report of the citizens complaints. so there were a few notable things for me going on. one was that police weren't taking calls of domestic violence seriously. they weren't getting full information in traffic stops, most notably what we heard about is not getting racial category information. there are a few things to give -- refusing to give people badge numbers when people have complained about their unprofessional behavior, their declining to go to mediation with community members, and as i heard the last time i was here, they haven't followed through with the mental health training that was agreed upon. so with all that going on, now we're talking about giving them even more weapons, talking about giving them tasers. so it's always upin