entertainment in the form of our house band and saloon-style music. they conduct sound tests. the purpose is to establish an appropriate limits such the neighbors are not disturbed. the applicant took an additional step of having a noise review conducted. the results of the review are included in the materials. communications about neighbors concerned about sound are also in the pack of. there are neighborhood associations, and i will let the applicant tell you about his business. good >> i am marsha garland, here to represent gold dust lounge, which got a lot of media attention when it was forced to -- relocate, and its search for

an appropriate location, and it sounded on jefferson. the space is 3000 sq. ft.. the business is a 47-year-old family business. it is iconic. it is nationally famous, and the owners have proven over and over again they know how to manage a business, how to manage people, and how to manage noise. they have a solid plan but has been reviewed by the police department. we have conducted extensive research, and that includes community business district and the bid, and the tenant alliance coalition, which wants to make sure no attendance are disturbed, and there aren' no residents, so there are no concerns, and also the

fisherman's wharf association. we did hear a few weeks ago from the tenant of stairs, the business sense name -- who from the tenant upstairs. we talk with them, and the owner hired a sound consultant to go in and do sound tests, and we have tried to assure the tenants of stairs it is pretty much oldies and goodies and soft jazz and dixieland. there will be a house band, and the application has met all of the requirements. the application is still not in its entirety. the building is sound. goothey already were handling security on powell street, so they are familiar with how it is

done. most people are supportive or remained neutral. the tenant of stairs was also concerned about garbage and smoking, and all of those are covered in the lease. the new tenant will abide by those conditions. this is the founder and owner of the gold dust lounge. >> i want to thank you. i am sorry, but i was not prepared. we have to view your permit. >> i will be 65 this year. do you offer it senior discounts? if not, i would like you to

consider that. >> jim, who you want to add anything? >> my name is jim, and we have worked with the bovis family before, and our goal is to keep a safe environment and to do what we have to do. as far as our officers, any location is certified by the state, and they are all insured. >> i have one question. i have no doubt this is going to be run as a great business. the guy upstairs is talking about ambiance around -- ambient sound going out onto the street. is the ceiling the floor of an apartment upstairs?

>> it is not an apartment. it is a business. >> the house band will be what kind? >> approximately 8:00 in the evening. we do have a sound technician here. >> i am good with it. >> do you want to hear from him? >> we will have a public comment, and if you are finished we will hear from the police department. if they want to enter into this. >> good evening. as far as the gold dust, central station does not oppose the permit. they have a 47-year record of performing real well. i even spoke with officer torres, and he says we are really sorry to see them go, so

i think it is a good fit. i have spoken with snake about the concerns i could come up with. -- with nick about the concerns i could come up with. one is noise, and they have assured me they will bethe otheg about and they are agreeable is the smoking issue. one of the things i was thinking about, you have a lot of different venues out there. not bad news but you have ripley's believe it or not to the west. if your family, you will want not want a bunch of osbournpeope smoking at the end of this sidewalk. it is a hard one. i was trying to brainstorm to see how we could make it work and one of the things we talked about is having their staffing, which talked-about having

science. encouraging people to go across the street if they are smoking in large numbers. they have agreed to that. i do not know of that -- if that is conditionable. we are -- to promote that with customers. that we do not have a big smoke cloud. >> it is a big parking lot. so that is perfect. >> is not enforceable but the smoking code says you have to go to the end of the curb. there is no way we can force them to do otherwise. sometimes being a good neighbor and encouraging patrons, there will be compliant. other than that, we're happy with the move. >> any questions for officer mathias? let's hear from the public. are there people from the public who would like to address this permit? your welcome. >> here is a song for the new

gold dust. i wrote the song. >> did anyone tell you if you look like stacey slaughter who works for the giants? >> she does. >> you have a twin out there. >> here we go. ♪ in san francisco's fight to save the historic bar ♪ ♪ it was the 23rd of may but we are packing up the pieces and moving to the bay ♪ ♪ where the gold dust settles, where the gold dust sines --

shines ♪ ♪ this olindo will keep swinging until closing time ♪ ♪ the lamps and the tables and red velvet booth, the old wawood bar ♪ ♪ where the gold does settle, where the gold does shine ♪ ♪ the van will -- band will keep on singing until closing time ♪ ♪ take a cable car ride to the waterfront or the fisherman docked on jefferson ♪ look for that old marquee and

lights, invite your friends for some old good times ♪ ♪ go where the gold dust settles, where the gold dust shines ♪ ♪th the whiskey will keep on pouring until closing time ♪ ♪ where the gold dust shines ♪ [applause] >> thank you. that is a tough act to follow. >> my firm did the noise study for the gold dust blount. -- lounge. we are identifying weak links in

the structure. if the duct ran from the first floor to the second four, we would want to identify that prior to the facility and would have to handle the noise. -- analyze the noise. when we did our transfer test we found the standard isolated -- with no obvious weaknesses. we measured the ambient noise and there is an adjustment is made to minimize noise. the process that they go through acoustically is the realize that all buildings have an acoustic limit and they have the ambient noise and for commercials and that is with the gold dust lounge needs to abide by to meet the code requirements and not disturb the neighbors and be a good neighbor. so that is the work i have done so far, and in addition helping

the gold dust lounge limit their noise -- i envision helping the gold dust lounge limit their noise and be a good neighbor. i will answer any question you have. >> is the existing ceiling a normal office insulation? is there anything that you can put extra insulation there? >> it is not -- we have not really addressed the need to increase the sound isolation. my understanding having quantified the noise reduction being normal is the music noise can be moderate. given our mathematics and expectation of the music noise level, we do not expect an upgrade should be required. >> in some cases depending on the group, there is different musicians. they might play louder than the other. when you do these tests, do you

play any amplified music and go up to the guys upstairs and just listen? or have your sound meters? for this test, or this is only ambien? >> what we do is we test using broadband, a steady noise. the problem with testing music is to test with one sound, you get one answer and another you get another answer. the sound levels differ over the place. we did was the standard objective sound isolation test that allows us to settle -- set a limit. but to your point, after we set the limit of music noise in the gold dust, we checked upstairs to make sure that the math works out. it is not a matter of acoustical engineering testimony. it is a matter of performance and the gold dust lounge -- knows that because i have discussed this them.

>> any other questions? the tremor was not applicable since we were asking -- timer was not applicable since for asking questions. thank you. yes, sir, welcome. >> commissioners, hello and good afternoon. my name is richard young and i have been the band leader at the gold dust for 14 years. it is a house band. your concerns for different bands being different does not apply. we have been the entertainment and music in the gold dust for a long time. for about eight years in the gold dust itself, we had a professional decibels meter on the bandstand in front of the band. the ambient noise without the band playing was somewhere around 40 decibels. when the band was playing, we sent the meter at 90 decibels and kept it below that.

the inside the building, the douzable level never exceeded 85 -- decibel level never exceeded 85 decibels. we were the band that transition to from dixieland to pop and rock and roll. the reason we acquired that meter was to transition so the numbers -- neighbors were not offended, the people in the neighborhood were not bothered and so business could be conducted without the waitresses and bartenders having to shout at each other to be heard. i wanted the commission to be aware that a long time ago we addressed sound issues within the structure and we have found a successful way to manage them over a long period of time. >> thank you. any questions? any requests? >> we do take requests.

public comment. >> good evening. i am here tonight in support of the gold dust lounge. they did perform community outreach regarding this project and other projects as well. we've been good to our neighbors and it used to be one of my hands. we support the goal best lounge on fisherman's -- gold dust lounge on fisherman's wharf. >> good evening. i do want to add to this. we want to keep our musicians in play. during the afternoon, there is a brisk business in fisherman's wharf during the day. these are people who are looking for san francisco attractions and the san francisco experience. we will have some low amplification and soft jazz as the band leader said, some

dixieland and later, at different parts of the day, we played different types of music and during the daytime you played something lighter and more relaxing just to keep the vibe going. i want to thank the groups that we did contact. a lot of them felt we had -- they had learned about it in the press. what they wanted was -- some people wanted us to stay in union square because of the years there. going to fisherman's wharf i think is going to be a nice fit there, too. the gold dust is alive and well and you hope that -- we hope that you will support us. thank you. >> thank you. any additional public comment? seeing none, the matter is with the commission. we have a motion. >> i am pleased and honored to move to approve this permit. president newlin: do we have a

second? >> commissioner joseph, aye. commissioner tan, aye, president newlin, aye. president newlin: all right, good luck. >> thanks for that song. >> thank you. it was really nice. item six d, dba, the armory club. 1799 mission. permit application. >> this is category from the armory -- cattycorner from the armory. the applicant plans to make it into a lounge. it is a small space with no

dance floor. we have received no letters of support or protest. i will let the applicant tell you more. >> good evening. this is an 1800 square-foot space. we're trying to create something where we have a social atmosphere. we chose to not support lauch -- a large speakers. we would like to have the option to book a bj when we would like. so now -- a dj when we would like. our price ranges from $7 to $12. we're hoping to add a higher and choice. we're working with security services. not only will we have a security guard at the door, we will have

a back a security guard to use that we can pull in case there's any big issue. it is my first time doing this. if you have any questions. >> are you going to use outside promoters or are you going to keep this in house? >> my intention is to keep this in house so it keeps the neighborhood feel. if i did choose to use an outside promoter, there will have to fit this loungey feel. >> i have seen the gutted building. can you tell the commission a little bit? you are developing the second story downstairs. what is going to be there? >> originally the downstairs was about 900 square feet. we decided to dig out the basement so it matches the upper floor, 1800 square feet on both floors. one-third of the space downstairs is an unfinished room

and we do not know if we want that to be a public space in the future, or if we're fortunate enough to possibly purchased the lot next door to have that as supplemental storage for that. right now it is not open to the public. the other two-thirds of the basement of our employee storage, my office. >> do you intend to serve food? >> no. >> ok, thank you. questions? we will hear from the police department. welcome. >> good evening. officer buckner. i guess i cleared the room. with regard to the armory club, i want to commend christopher bridlemere is -- ramirez on the

work they have done, there proactive outreach -- their proactive outreach to the police department and residential apartments that are above them in the building. and just their communication with us. it has been a very good relationship working with them. i had an opportunity to tour the space. i am very impressed with all the work they are doing there. he did not mention that day, aside from making the improvements in their space, they have gone not to their residences and put in double pane windows and done other things as well. it reminds me of one of the old lion pub in the 1990's, it was a very loungey fireplace -- atmosphere with a fireplace. it will be very challenging.

there was a stabbing incident in the front of the space which is boarded up and under construction. it is kind of one of those areas that is right close to 16th and mission. you have the eerie alley club so there are people walking through. it seems like there's something missing, the night -- lights need to be turned on, i guess. we definitely do not oppose the issuance of the permit. we did submit to the commission some conditions and the only thing that is different in my conditions has to do with this guard card thing. the result of the wonderful meeting we had yesterday. i learned some information that is relevant about guard cards. we need to change our definition to something more of a pso, a

specified trading that professionals at night clubs get. it will raise the bar on our professionalism with regard to security. that is the only thing that is different. other than that, we hope you will approve the permit. president newlin: any questions? thank you. we will open it up to public comment. if people would like to address this. >> good evening. i am not here to support peter atworth until i saw he was on the calendar. each and every project he has got involved in he has handled in a professional manner.

a request to support the permit. president newlin: thank you. anyone else? seeing none, the motion is with the commission. move to approve with police conditions. >> i second that. >> i just have -- patrons must be visually and audio recorded as they enter, is that normal to have audio recording as well? >> i did it when i had my club. my cameras had a mic on them at the front door for sure. >> i never heard of it. >> most dvr will have an audio and video component to them. it is helpful. if something happens and they need to refer back to the video, it is not about trying to spy on people.

if a major incident occurs, it is good to go back on the video and review that information for the use and evidence of whatever might have happened. it is good for the venue owner as well from a liability perspective. they can show there were pro- active in their security or whatever it might be. >> i had never seen it. >> the only camera that has the audio on it should be the one on the street. there is no expectation of privacy walking a public street. the internal cameras should not have audio. >> ok. >> i had clarification from staff. for the first condition. i understand what the officer is trying to communicate. my concern is going forward, if the permit holder decides to change to in-house security, i

am going to struggle with how to keep them in compliance. i am wondering if you can change the wording a tiny bit so there is some ability for that to occur as opposed to requiring outside security which is something we have never done. so i tend to agree with you that when -- if they decide to go in house, there would have to certify the place, correct me if i am wrong. >> it does not matter to the police department with a have outside security that is licensed and properly insured or if they're using internal security officers. as long as they have complied with the pso certified requirements which is a little higher level of training that you would get from a guard card type thing. >> ok. just change it to -- outside

security or in-house security staff should have a pso certified or guard card. >> a friendly amendment to your motion. item number one, permit holder shall hire, we take pso out and say guard card certified? >> mike concern is the language be clear. -- my concern is the language be clear. >> either. >> can we switch higher to the permit owner shall maintain

security? >> shelle have a motion and a second with the amendment on the security issue? commissioner hyde, aye, commissioner joseph, aye. commissioner 10, aye, commissioner , aye. -- newlin, aye. >> item 6e. >> the owners of the building itself far applicants for this place of entertainment permit for a venue called fame. the new space will feature exhibitions, music, and other performances. the space will serve pastries, coffee and dessert during the day and ser