long wait. the budget in hud, for example, has been dropped more than $45 billion per year. biggest drop occurring between 1980 and '83. it's more criminalization of poverty, when there are bigger criminals that need to be talked about and whose damage to society should be examined more and resisted more. i have lived in the sunset. >> thank you. >> and i think this is a reflection of the attitude in general of the neighborhood. >> thank you. >> i just want to encourage the last speaker to stick around for item no. 3. we're going to be discussing foreclose penalties. trust me, we haven't forgotten about the banks. >> i will call a few more names. [ reading speakers' names ]

>> hi, jennifer, director of coalition on homelessness. we strongly oppose this legislation, because we believe would negatively impact many families, elders, disabled people that have no other choice, but to reside in their vehicles. it's not uncommon for people in san francisco to invest in a large vehicle or camper and move into it and it's common for people to save up for a camper as a means to get off the streets and out of shelters. we do regular outreach to people who are residing in their vehicles and receive frequent reports that they are already being harassed by the police. they report having to move every 72 hours and being careful to keep a low protile and living in constant fear. if this legislation would pass it would be duplicative and result in another layer of

finds that are receive. you have to move it already citywide 72 hours. if the resident cannot pay the ticket, they not only could face jail time when it goes to warrant, but the very real prospect of losing their last asset when it gets towed and they copyright pay the fines of it's important to understand that people are not choosing to resident in their vehicles. there are concurrently more than 40,000 households waiting for affordable housing. there is not enough spaces in these programs and fining people and eventually towing their vehicle and jailing them because they are too poor to

pay rent is simply wrong. thank you. thank you. next speaker. [ applause ] >> if we could ask folks to hold their applause so we can get through public comment. >> good afternoon, supervisors, we're here in support of the legislation. we live in a quiet residential neighborhood in supervisor chu's district and our concern is primarily with the commercial trucks, some of which are as big as the houses on the block that we live in. we recently did do the 72-hour call on roofing trucks that were there for about three weeks. before i called they were using their trucks to operate their business from the drive-in and pick up tools and drive away and leave the trucks parked there. this is the kind of direction i would like to see the

legislation provide enforcement for. in addition, the safety issues, they sort of block off the parking lot that locals can drive into and conduct various activities. they have a nice private club in a parking lot that wasn't there before. so we see that as a safety issue. >> sir are you in the laplaya area of the sunset? >> no. outer park side. >> okay. >> so it's generally a family neighbor, with lots of soccer on weeks and that kind of thing. thank you. >> thank you. >> good afternoon, my name is robert davis and live in the bayview. i'm here today to support supervisor cohen's ordinance to limit parking on certain main

streets by installing these signs, no parking 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. and no parking vehicles over 6' tall. they have done a lot to improve the quality of life. we have gotten a red of a lot of other little problems, people living in their rvs, namely litter, illegal dumping and blight, but what i would ask that we do not enact any legislation that we cannot enforce. code enforcement at the mta level is not that g. good. just to tell you the truth i will tell you about the 1400 block of mandelle plaza, between oakdale and palu off of 3rd street in the bayview.

of the 130 complaint they wrote five tickets, which is about 4%. code enforcement is the problem with the mta. again, if you are going to pass a law, it's got to be enforceable and it's got to be enforced. thank you. thank you, next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i am gwendelyn westbrook and ceo of the homeless resource center located in bayview hunters point. i am on both sides. i understand where you are coming from with the code enforcement and it does sometimes lead to crime in the area and i'm very strict about campers parking along the shelter, because i know it can be a place for them to start dealing drugs, using them, whatever. but when my workers come to

work in these campers are towed, it's a problem. so i would like you to come up with a solution where people can park those campers in our neighborhoods. if it's candlestick park, not a residential area, something rather than tow; because a lot of people out there who are homeless and live in their campers, a lot of them are ill. this is the only place that they have to go at night. and it's a problem. it's a big problem when they are being harassed by the police. they are law-abiding citizens. so you need to come up to the solution to where these people can park their vans and be safe that won't impact the bayview hunters point community. i really do understand where you are coming from with campers. they are big and you can't see one way or another. i understand that. but everybody is not a criminal.

some people have fallen on hard times. and they do need these campers to stay in. we can only allow 48 people to stay in our shelter -- in our resource center at night. and many times we're turning people away because they don't have any place to stay. so before you tow everybody, figure out who is living there and come up with a solution to tell them where they can park their campers. thank you. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. i will call a couple more cards. [ reading speakers' names ] >> hi good afternoon i'm amanda and representing the 47th avenue neighborhood watch group.

our watch group does support this register although i support this. we have personally witnessed in our neighborhood on our block, garbage dumping, and drug deals and i have seen children leaving in these areas. we have all as part of your group made calls to dpt and the

police department. i'm in favor of designated areas if some places could be designated. that would be my suggestion. thank you very much. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hi, my name is celia and i'm the building manager at 111 rhode island in the san francisco design district. we're a light industrial area. so we have kind of similar issues in terms of you expressing it very well. our issue is that we at night-time pretty much it clears out. the businesses, workers, customers go home. so we are particularly vulnerable to having large groups of people in vehicles taking up a lot of

our street space for our workers and our customers. so it's very difficult for our small businesses. we are all small businesss in that area to make a go of it. so we have worked actually very closely with officer lavin and the sfmta to clear up some parking for our area. as i left on my way here, there is one bus-sized suv that has been there for over a week. the tires are marked and there is some effort to get it moved. i don't think anyone is living in it. i think it's just abandoned. shuttle buses and vans and that is on the north side of our building.g so the occasionally car-parking there and occasional rv is one

thing, but we're absolutely inundated with these vehicles. again our tenants are very much in support of some kind of relief, some kind of teeth, so that the mta and the police department can work with us and try to come up with some solution. it sounds like obviously the better solution is to find a place for these people to go. so that is it. i do have a letter from one of our businesses. they couldn't be here, but they wanted me to present this on their behalf. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon land use. i want to say how are you supposed to find some parking in town when your vehicle is large and bond and i can't even find a job on broadway. on broadway. how are you supposed to make

parking in town, when i can't even find willie brown? is he on broadway? on broadway? i would sure like to park that big old car and i want to park that big old car -- help that one supervisor mar. i would like to park that car. there is a parking place and bus for us, a bus and place for us, parking there, and no parking tickets to care. parking where ever there, somewhere. some way, some how, we'll find a parking way of living. we'll find a parking living of

forgiving. somewhere, some way, we'll park it okay? >> thank you. next speaker please. >> buenos tardes. margarita

[speaker not understood] gracias. >> me name is margarita lemon. i am a member of the coalition of homelessness. because we don't have any housing. we don't have any permanent housing.

we don't have a space in the shelter for families and singles. the police bother us and take our vehicles, our cars. the cars we use it in to sleep in with children. thank you.

>> thank you. so now my name is miguel. and i work for the coalition of homelessness. when you are explaining the one-side of the picture or the legislation and the other side of the picture. what you don't see, and this really hard. what we're seeing, we're seeing a permanent solution. you have a house to move the homeless people in housing, i can support your legislation. when we see something positive that can be different -- when -- what we're seeing right now affects the homeless people.

i know what mrs. chu is saying, all the problems that the city is facing. but it's affecting the homeless people. it's homeless families living in these places and it's the last choice that they have because they don't have enough beds to move in the families into a shelter. the city don't have permanent and real housing for the families with needs. please first think of that before this legislation is passed. because we have to resolve first the problem that we have in the city, housing. we have to work together and resolve the problem. thank you so much and have a great day. >> can i ask a question? i

know jenny freedonbach talked earlier, but do you have any idea of how many people live in their vehicles? i know one fact show the from the coalition says the homeless population from the 2001 data shows it's at least 6500 homeless in the city and 2.5% live in their vehicles. so that would be 162 people minimum. but do you know? >> it's more than that. >> is that growing? >> she will give you the answer. thank you very much. >> so the way -- yes, from the homeless count, those are the percentages, but the homeless count is known to be a really strong undercount. so i would consider that a minimum number from 2011.

based on anecdotal information is seems that the numbers have risen again and this correlates with the number of people in shelters. so the way that they do it, they just basically eyeball the vehicle from the outside and determine from an exterior look whether or not there are people inside and they assume there is two people in every vehicle. so they don't knock on the door or engage in a conversation. that is how they get the numbers just to give you an idea. >> that is helpful. thank you. i know supervisor chu and cohen's legislation is targeted at-larger vehicles. i'm just trying to get a sense of how many human beings are living in the larger vehicles, but if it's somewhere of a fraction of 162 minimum i'm

guessing. >> it would be more than that. >> i am just trying to get at -- i know one other person recommended perhaps finding a place where people can have a designated area to park. i'm trying to find a way to address the safety issue that many residents brought up, but this is really helpful the testimony. i'm sorry to interrupt. >> thank you. and then also in there are other speakers who would like to speak, if you could line up along the wall. we don't have cards. >> good afternoon, supervisor mar, a founding member of the police advisory board. public safety has been a concern of mine for many years. he was a commissioner on the recreation and park commission.

i believe that this legislation is the right move in the right direction to make our neighborhoods safer. fulton street as recently as just last week saw a stabbing that happened out by the beach chalet. right along fulton, there have been numerous complaints regarding safety concerns and regarding the oversized vehicles that are parked along fulton. i urge you to pass this legislation onto the full board. it's the right move and i urge you do the right thing. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hello supervisors. my name is john gallagher and i'm the new human rights organizer at the coalition on

homelessness. i have been there a month and a half. i have heard two supervisors say you have been working with the coalition on homelessness. i never heard a word about it until the end of the work day on friday. in that time i have called all of the agencies that help homeless people that i could think of in order to get people here. it seems to me at the very least if you do pass this, you should give us some more time and look at it later. how did i say that wrong? don't pass this or put it off so we have time to consider it and let more people know what is going to happen. saturday i spent the day in outreach, handing out flyers to people living in their vehicles along golden gate park and the ocean. there sure seemed to be a lot of them. i did see some commercial vehicles. i also urge you to limit it to commercial vehicles and not people's homes.

i have heard on the phone were making some proviso that people could have their vehicles in someplace, and treasure island, while they are waiting to get into city services. i know -- i just spent hours and hours in a saw meeting, shelter access work group. people can't get into shelters. if you take away their vehicles they will be homeless and hungry. don't kid yourself in thinking that they will move into some services. that night, children or not, you will make the children in those campers i have heard of homeless that very same night. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker. >> hi, my name is nick and i'm here as a resident in eric mar's district. the reason i'm speaking out against this legislation is

because your arguments are very flimsy. you said it was based on the safety of vehicles and hindering bicyclists and i hear your arguments. you are saying that the 72-hours is ineffective. so that is an enforcement issue. it's not an issue of people living in their cars. you came here saying that vehicles are the main concern. every testimony that we have heard today had to deal with people and the behaviors and the guy living in his trailer brought up a good point. this legislation has no affect because it's only at night when pedestrian traffic is the least. they are basing it on people speaking out against people and against behaviors and not against vehicles. the only one who spoke out

against vehicles were speaking against commercial vehicles or in favor of parking commercial vehicles in spaces. so basically your arguments are that it's based on vehicles, but no one here is saying that. it should be limited to commercial vehicles like john was saying. and i don't think it should be based on the perception, my fellow neighbors on their perceptions of fear, which in my mind are irrational. i can't say that the crime rate has significantly come up in a year like the previous woman said from the laplaya association. i'm not afraid to walk in my neighborhood and i would say vote against this legislation. your arguments are flimsy. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker. >> i'm just an old person who was born in san francisco in 1949. i had a house. and then i didn't.

and i was on the streets. and now i'm in a van on fulton street. you have an overbroad vague and brought legislation.jd you want to talk about safety? you know why i'm in a van and not a shelter? drug dealing, violence and oppression in every shelter i have come close to. you want to talk about what it really is? it's envy that some people are getting off the street. you are willing to hammer those who are trying to better themselves. this is not right.

safe management of people, we're not commodities. we're human beings. and we have our freedom and we have our right to try to survive. and you are not giving us any help in that.a matter of fact i was told i couldn't get help from the city because i would have to say i was incomponent. being poor makes you incompetent in this city. i don't get a single thing from this city. i'm too young to retire. i'm too old to get a job in this city. you have made a nimby attempt, not in my backyard. we're in everybody's backyard and we have to learn to live together and watch out for each other and we're part of your safety net, yours and ours. we watch out for a.m. and make sure the kids are safe and make sure the vehicles are safe and make sure that the pedestrians are safe. we are part of the community, accept us. >> thank you, next speaker, please.

>> good afternoon members of committee. i am not homeless or unemployed, but a tax-paying citizen. my parking would be impacted by this bill. me home is not in danger today as it is for many people that are most targeted by this bill. i do have a large vehicle, which i use for work of the it's sometimes in storage and sometime it's used and parked near where i live. i heard the question earlier that many are storage and i can tell you that most of them are  used by homes, but due to harassment by law enforcement, they are careful to hide their home situation. i didn't know that i would suddenly become neighbors with