people away because they don't have any place to stay. so before you tow everybody, figure out who is living there and come up with a solution to tell them where they can park their campers. thank you. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. i will call a couple more cards. [ reading speakers' names ] >> hi good afternoon i'm amanda and representing the 47th avenue neighborhood watch group. our watch group does support this register although i support this. we have personally witnessed in our neighborhood on our block,

garbage dumping, and drug deals and i have seen children leaving in these areas. we have all as part of your group made calls to dpt and the police department. i'm in favor of designated

areas if some places could be designated. that would be my suggestion. thank you very much. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hi, my name is celia and i'm the building manager at 111 rhode island in the san francisco design district. we're a light industrial area. so we have kind of similar issues in terms of you expressing it very well. our issue is that we at night-time pretty much it clears out. the businesses, workers, customers go home. so we are particularly vulnerable to having large groups of people in vehicles taking up a lot of our street space for our workers and our customers. so it's very difficult for our small businesses. we are all small businesss in that area to make a go of it. so we have worked actually very

closely with officer lavin and the sfmta to clear up some parking for our area. as i left on my way here, there is one bus-sized suv that has been there for over a week. the tires are marked and there is some effort to get it moved. i don't think anyone is living in it. i think it's just abandoned. shuttle buses and vans and that is on the north side of our building.g so the occasionally car-parking there and occasional rv is one thing, but we're absolutely inundated with these vehicles. again our tenants are very much in support of some kind of relief, some kind of teeth, so that the mta and the police department can work with us and try to come up with some solution.

it sounds like obviously the better solution is to find a place for these people to go. so that is it. i do have a letter from one of our businesses. they couldn't be here, but they wanted me to present this on their behalf. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon land use. i want to say how are you supposed to find some parking in town when your vehicle is large and bond and i can't even find a job on broadway. on broadway. how are you supposed to make parking in town, when i can't even find willie brown? is he on broadway? on broadway? i would sure like to park that big old car and i

want to park that big old car -- help that one supervisor mar. i would like to park that car. there is a parking place and bus for us, a bus and place for us, parking there, and no parking tickets to care. parking where ever there, somewhere. some way, some how, we'll find a parking way of living. we'll find a parking living of forgiving. somewhere, some way, we'll park it okay? >> thank you. next speaker please.

>> buenos tardes. margarita

[speaker not understood] gracias. >> me name is margarita lemon. i am a member of the coalition of homelessness. because we don't have any housing. we don't have any permanent housing. we don't have a space in the shelter for families and singles. the police bother us and take our vehicles, our cars.

the cars we use it in to sleep in with children. thank you. >> thank you. so now my name is miguel. and i work for the coalition of homelessness. when you are explaining the one-side of the picture or the

legislation and the other side of the picture. what you don't see, and this really hard. what we're seeing, we're seeing a permanent solution. you have a house to move the homeless people in housing, i can support your legislation. when we see something positive that can be different -- when -- what we're seeing right now affects the homeless people. i know what mrs. chu is saying, all the problems that the city is facing. but it's affecting the homeless

people. it's homeless families living in these places and it's the last choice that they have because they don't have enough beds to move in the families into a shelter. the city don't have permanent and real housing for the families with needs. please first think of that before this legislation is passed. because we have to resolve first the problem that we have in the city, housing. we have to work together and resolve the problem. thank you so much and have a great day. >> can i ask a question? i know jenny freedonbach talked earlier, but do you have any idea of how many people live in their vehicles? i know one fact show the from the

coalition says the homeless population from the 2001 data shows it's at least 6500 homeless in the city and 2.5% live in their vehicles. so that would be 162 people minimum. but do you know? >> it's more than that. >> is that growing? >> she will give you the answer. thank you very much. >> so the way -- yes, from the homeless count, those are the percentages, but the homeless count is known to be a really strong undercount. so i would consider that a minimum number from 2011. based on anecdotal information is seems that the numbers have risen again and this correlates with the number of people in shelters. so the way that they do it, they just basically

eyeball the vehicle from the outside and determine from an exterior look whether or not there are people inside and they assume there is two people in every vehicle. so they don't knock on the door or engage in a conversation. that is how they get the numbers just to give you an idea. >> that is helpful. thank you. i know supervisor chu and cohen's legislation is targeted at-larger vehicles. i'm just trying to get a sense of how many human beings are living in the larger vehicles, but if it's somewhere of a fraction of 162 minimum i'm guessing. >> it would be more than that. >> i am just trying to get at -- i know one other person recommended perhaps finding a place where people can have a designated area to park.

i'm trying to find a way to address the safety issue that many residents brought up, but this is really helpful the testimony. i'm sorry to interrupt. >> thank you. and then also in there are other speakers who would like to speak, if you could line up along the wall. we don't have cards. >> good afternoon, supervisor mar, a founding member of the police advisory board. public safety has been a concern of mine for many years. he was a commissioner on the recreation and park commission. i believe that this legislation is the right move in the right direction to make our neighborhoods safer. fulton street as recently as just last week saw a stabbing that happened out by the beach

chalet. right along fulton, there have been numerous complaints regarding safety concerns and regarding the oversized vehicles that are parked along fulton. i urge you to pass this legislation onto the full board. it's the right move and i urge you do the right thing. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hello supervisors. my name is john gallagher and i'm the new human rights organizer at the coalition on homelessness. i have been there a month and a half. i have heard two supervisors say you have been working with the coalition on homelessness. i never heard a word about it until the end of the work day

on friday. in that time i have called all of the agencies that help homeless people that i could think of in order to get people here. it seems to me at the very least if you do pass this, you should give us some more time and look at it later. how did i say that wrong? don't pass this or put it off so we have time to consider it and let more people know what is going to happen. saturday i spent the day in outreach, handing out flyers to people living in their vehicles along golden gate park and the ocean. there sure seemed to be a lot of them. i did see some commercial vehicles. i also urge you to limit it to commercial vehicles and not people's homes. i have heard on the phone were making some proviso that people could have their vehicles in someplace, and treasure island, while they are waiting to get into city services. i know -- i just spent hours

and hours in a saw meeting, shelter access work group. people can't get into shelters. if you take away their vehicles they will be homeless and hungry. don't kid yourself in thinking that they will move into some services. that night, children or not, you will make the children in those campers i have heard of homeless that very same night. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker. >> hi, my name is nick and i'm here as a resident in eric mar's district. the reason i'm speaking out against this legislation is because your arguments are very flimsy. you said it was based on the safety of vehicles and hindering bicyclists and i hear your arguments. you are saying that the

72-hours is ineffective. so that is an enforcement issue. it's not an issue of people living in their cars. you came here saying that vehicles are the main concern. every testimony that we have heard today had to deal with people and the behaviors and the guy living in his trailer brought up a good point. this legislation has no affect because it's only at night when pedestrian traffic is the least. they are basing it on people speaking out against people and against behaviors and not against vehicles. the only one who spoke out against vehicles were speaking against commercial vehicles or in favor of parking commercial vehicles in spaces. so basically your arguments are that it's based on vehicles, but no one here is saying that. it should be limited to

commercial vehicles like john was saying. and i don't think it should be based on the perception, my fellow neighbors on their perceptions of fear, which in my mind are irrational. i can't say that the crime rate has significantly come up in a year like the previous woman said from the laplaya association. i'm not afraid to walk in my neighborhood and i would say vote against this legislation. your arguments are flimsy. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker. >> i'm just an old person who was born in san francisco in 1949. i had a house. and then i didn't. and i was on the streets. and now i'm in a van on fulton street. you have an overbroad vague and

brought legislation.jd you want to talk about safety? you know why i'm in a van and not a shelter? drug dealing, violence and oppression in every shelter i have come close to. you want to talk about what it really is? it's envy that some people are getting off the street. you are willing to hammer those who are trying to better themselves. this is not right. safe management of people, we're not commodities. we're human beings. and we have our freedom and we have our right to try to survive. and you are not giving us any help in that.a matter of fact i was told i couldn't get help from the city because i would have to say i was incomponent.

being poor makes you incompetent in this city. i don't get a single thing from this city. i'm too young to retire. i'm too old to get a job in this city. you have made a nimby attempt, not in my backyard. we're in everybody's backyard and we have to learn to live together and watch out for each other and we're part of your safety net, yours and ours. we watch out for a.m. and make sure the kids are safe and make sure the vehicles are safe and make sure that the pedestrians are safe. we are part of the community, accept us. >> thank you, next speaker, please. >> good afternoon members of committee. i am not homeless or unemployed, but a tax-paying citizen. my parking would be impacted by

this bill. me home is not in danger today as it is for many people that are most targeted by this bill. i do have a large vehicle, which i use for work of the it's sometimes in storage and sometime it's used and parked near where i live. i heard the question earlier that many are storage and i can tell you that most of them are  used by homes, but due to harassment by law enforcement, they are careful to hide their home situation. i didn't know that i would suddenly become neighbors with this group of people that started with meets over your rig, but continued from there. i have met many people who live in rvs in the city and heard many of their cities. these are not people committeing crimes. these are human beings that do not now how to represent or

protect themselves. maybe are trying to hold on to a job or temporary out of work. the city is often battling these members of society and pushing them out of society and this is where i get lost and confused. if they lose their vehicles they will ended up on the sidewalk a burden on society. if even though this legislation is supposed to be limited to some areas, that is going to push vehicles in other areas that will become overburdens. disregarding whether we're worried about the social burden, i'm confused how a progressive city like san san francisco can suddenly dismiss part of its community? >> in thank you, next speaker >>

>> [speaker not understood] these are some of the vehicles that i work by when i walk my dog and there are a lot of school kids in this neighborhood. there are four different schools near me. little kids, high school kids. there are bicyclists. there are joggers. i'm strictly here to talk about the impact on the residents and not to get involved in the politics of the homeless advocates.el calling 311, the 72-hour thing does absolutely no good. we have tried. we have done it. nothing has happened. and this one vehicle that you can't really see here has been parking in this spot for off and on for ten years. it belongs to a group of

gardeners who don't live in the area and dump their debris in the truck and after two weeks will dump the debris somewhere else. i am very much for this legislation. we have waited too long for it and i will do whatever i can to support it. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker. >> hi me name is mike smith and what i would like to say, i didn't realize this would be a homeless issue, but i can certainly say there are a tremendous amount of people that are living in trailers in and around where i live. and i have noticed that when they leave the area, they leave behind a lot of waste. i have called dpw several times

and they promptly go out there and clean up after them? we're dodging the issue here, because many of these folks want a place to go live. that is called the trailer park. that is called a car park. the people who -- >> excuse me, let's let the speaker finish. >> people who pay for those car parks and trailer parks are people like me, who pay a serious amount of property taxes. we work very hard to stay employ ed it's not easy for us either. i would like to see these laws really enforced over here, supervisors. i don't see it being enforced. i don't know. it's just not. the purpose for me coming here is actually wasn't to complain about this, but it is a serious

problem. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker. >> how are you guys doing? any name is jabori hicks and i had a notice on my rv this morning that this meeting was going down here. i just bought my rv in june and i love it and my kids love it.

i use it because i go to school on the evans campus and i go to schooldae day and night. so i'm going school 11 hours a day. it's convenient for me to spend the night there and go home on weekends. i'm like this guy with the ponytailwho said just having a big vehicle made him meet a bunch of people. i understand what the other people are complaining about with drug deals and trash being thrown. but i have seen that from the bayview to the sunset. people walk trash from the garbage to the corner and dpw comes and gets it. so nobody is innocent as far as i'm concerned. i'm just concerned what do i have to worry about? because having my vehicle parked right in front of where i have to go to work or school, like the people with the small business

out in rhode island. if people there at night and the business is closed at night, i mean, if you guys say you can't have big vehicles parked here in the daytime, i think you should just try to really fine tune this thing. pushing everybody in one spot, because that is making me travel from one city or putting my vehicle across town or some town. you will have everybody bunched up. when i first got there, they said look out for officer lavin, who was officer lavin? i heard about that already. thank you. >> thank you. i believe that is all the speakers. >> public comment is closed. supervisor chu. >> i want to thank everybody who came out on both sides of the issue. like i said, it's not an easy

one. there are some genuine and real problems with oversized vehicles that are being stored in our city streets. this is absolutely a fact that we have seen in vehicles that are not even parked within a quarter mile of where they are registered. this is something had a we know is happening. we absolutely understand there is a human factor associated with this. i don't want to discount that and i hear what you are saying and i know that is something that we have to be cognizant of. some folks spoke this won't solve the issue of drugs and this is a parking ordinance. we have to deal with our police officers to deal with illicit activities that happen in the city. so this was never what this legislation was intended to do. there was some conversation about this being a duplicative