permitted by us. >> i was there. we appreciate how they come together and cross fertilize ideas, so for you to be able to do that is wonderful. there was a breakout for open street entertainment and outdoor entertainment. do you know what kinds of ideas came out of that? was there anything interesting? >> between all of them it was basically a breakout of outdoor events producers, and i know there were some challenges. i do not know if they came up with anything groundbreaking. >> i would sum it up like this. people are frustrated with the city putting on the events.

they are frustrated with dealing with multiple departments, so we may have requirements, police, fire, etc., so i think from their perspective it can be frustrating to deal with the city. there are land use challenges with san francisco. some is court, some is rec and park, a lot of different land owners, so from our perspective we get familiar with rules and it becomes second nature, so especially for an outdoor event it can be challenging, so there was a lot of frustration expressed and a general suggestion we have more carrots and sticks, but we have not thought of good terrorist -- good carrots.

it is hard to save money. that was the main take away. >> i know our stuff is limited, but to the degree we can help streamline the process, it would be profitable. there were different land use issues. i would be interested to craft together a one stop shop so you can get all the permits you need to know. >> that would be awesome. >> more outdoor events. >> on the owners and breakout session, most of the issue has been we do not want to be hitching -- bitching about things anymore, but i thought maybe next year we should have a table, one for social media, one

for live musicians looking for gigs, and the other one for hospitality and also for tips. we can sign up people, so it is becoming for the industry, kind of like las vegas. >> you can go to las vegas. 5 i understand what you are saying, and i certainly could think of how to do that. it is a little tough for agencies and city government to say yes, you can sign people up for this, and it is a profit- making business. it is a little difficult, but it does not mean we cannot do it. what we do is say, here is a table. it is open to anyone, and put your information down so there

is quite a bit of information, an interesting tredrink app, whatever, and we can certainly work on that because we have a good year to plan. >> any further questions? any public comment on the executive director and sound technicians report? no public comment? we will move to item 24 -- now on to item #4. >> i want to start by saying a lot of officers attended the summit. it was nice to be able to network and talk about problem-

solving. it was very well organized, and we got a lot out of ipsit/ i am not going to go into a lot of things as far as what is going on. there was a lot of activity. we are happy are violence reduction teams came and really assisted. there were fights all over the place. i am not going to go down a laundry list of all the different things. i am going to talk about one thing specifically, and that is jones, and i know we are coming off the summit. it is a feel-good thinning. i have gotten so many phone calls and e-mails regarding the venue from last week where they had a one-night entertainment permit, and i had one lady who

was not happy, and she was definitely venting. she was furious because her whole neighborhood was completely disturbed, and one of the things i talk about was a onetime entertainment permit, and i likened it to the fact -- the fact that you had any news, it was exceeded. i did get numerous females, and it's basically amounted to a rock concert, -- i did get numerous e-mails, and it

basically amounted to a rock concert. i want staff to get an idea of what it looked like. i am not going to read verbatim all the different e-mails are received, but one of them was from a local hotel asking what can we do. "the noise is getting ridiculous. it is getting difficult to run a hotel with all this racket going on. what exactly can be done about all this? i have to say when we have issues they can be receptive. there are things we tried to improve, but this was so over the top.

they had another e-mailed. some people did not want their names to be given out. some people did not have a problem with eighit. this was a description. good where was a major noise disturbances do till -- there was a major noise disturbances. my residence is crown towers. the music was at such an extremely high level i cannot hear my television at normal sound level. because the neighborhood has a kenyan-like sound context to to the high rise in -- a canyon- like sound context due to high rises, i notice my glasses and vibrating. i told the police this was not

emanating from an apartment, but that it was like an open-air concert. i made another phone call to inquire about the status of the investigation. she had already received many phone calls regarding this disturbance. the music continued, and i phoned the police yet again. i was asked if i was complaining about the noise disturbances. this meant they were receiving many other inquiries. i was informed it was under permit and would shut down at 9:00. it did not shut down at 9:00. the music could still be heard as late as 9:30. i was disturbed to learn that a permit had been given for a rock concert in a residential neighborhood. i asked for whom this was granted. i was told she did not have this

information but i could forward the inquiry to an officer. they talk about how it was unacceptable, which i completely agree with. >> i am looking at the pictures, and one of the pictures says this is a private event and it is going to end at 9:00. did it end at 9:00? >> it ended after that. i think the neighbors had really had its, and one of the e-mails expressed it was the breaking down of the sound equipment, and they said people were intoxicated and breaking down sound equipment. >> can you turn this mic down? what i am seeing is a stage and a sound system and a band facing away from the street into that

canyon, but i am not seeing a lot of people. this picture does not show a lot of people, and may be the operator could be talked to about dampening the sound, because i am sure it does reverberate off the building. >> the entertainment commission issued of permits with the intention of permitting the event indoors. the application was given to us, and the implication and description was that this was a microsoft the event. it was a midweek event. it was early, and this was a restaurant, and it has no permit, so we issued a permit for indoors. >> i see. this was not a sound permit. >> this was not an amplified

sound permit, so the rest of it was somewhat irrelevant, because after we issued a citation, and we receive many females as well, but the situation was -- many emails as well, and the decision was made that they would come before the commission. >> i was wondering, do we know who the promoters are? >> it was the microsoft's private event a. >> they are exempt from the fines? >> we cited them for violating a whole bunch of things. >> anybody else? >> in conclusion, i think i am asking the same thing jocelyn is asking. if they do go for another one

day permits that the commission go over that, and that would give the public the opportunity to voice their concerns, because i have a lot of people who are extremely unhappy and rightfully so. their home was invaded with this. we have had conversations that this will never happen again, but i am still dealing with the aftermath. >> thank you. any public comment concerning the police report? yes, sir? >> i am owning the venue on broadway, and i am next to atmosphere. i do not x of this, and i never

will -- i do not accept this, and i never will. people are buying drinks, and they are so drugs they cannot walk to the bus. he said, and they cannot walk because they are to draunk. but went out of their hands, and you do not see broadway. there are people in handcuffs and stuff like that, so i think if we can eliminate party bosses region -- party buses, we have to have a license to sell a drink. party buses do not, and they do

whatever they wish. i know a lady was killed, so eliminate party buses, and you are going to have a nicer environment. good >> thank you. i do not know if you are correct, but we will allow you in the name of free speech to talk about party buses, . we will go to item number five, discussion of an action to amend the bylaws, and we covered this last meeting. we discussed it. and we continued its four commissioner perez, and basically we are looking at

extending it for three years with an election every year and eliminating the requirement they alternate the president from one of the industry'ies, one of the sectors of the commission is free to elect whomever they feel is the most appropriate person to be president, and that the down by that stipulation. -- be bound by that stipulation. is there anyone who would like to discuss further? >> i would like to say i am not in favor of just moving forward with that. i think there are a lot of things that go into creating bylaws. i do not think there needs to be -- i think if someone wants to be president for a third term, there should be special

requirements that should be met by that person as far as how many votes they get, and i think it is good to keep voices rotating. i think it is set up to get as many voices as possible heard on the commission, and i understand on this commission there would be many good reasons to continue with the leadership and we have had, but i do not think this is something i would be in favor of changing straight out i as stated. >> even with the changes it would be of to the commission to alive whoever they want. it is not bound by any -- it would be up to the commission to elect whomever they want.

>> each one of us commissioners can speak our mind at any time. i think the presidency is the ability to conduct a meeting in a concise and a efficient way. that is what the presidency is about. not all of us have that still, and we want to have the meetings move on in an efficient way, so to be able to elect somebody who can do that, and that is what the presidency does. the presidency does that and helps with the agenda, but the staff sets the agenda, so the presidency is not a power position or anything like that, so that is why i added the sector part, because not everybody in all sectors has the ability to conduct a meeting well, so that is my reason for having that, and i think we should eliminate that qualification because we each

have a chance to talk. you do not have to vote that person in. you can vote that person out. this is democracy, and i move that we pass -- i would like to make a motion that we change the bylaws to have the presidency three years and eliminate the sector diversity's stipulation. >> up to three years? we have a motion. is there a second or any further discussion? >> i know last week we have some reservations about not rotating between different sectors, not so much with the three years, but part of it was my understanding of how the process works. today i feel confident in extending it to three years and actually allowing the chain so we do not have to switch back

and forth between -- allowing change so we do not have to switch back and forth between sectors. it is being able to run a meeting. i like to be able to a let the chair every year. -- to elect the chair. i thing it is billed in each year, so to me that makes me more comfortable about who is the right person at the right time. i think john has been a great share -- chair while i have been here. good >> i want to add that a person should bee here for of least a year. good i move --i move that the

commissioner should be at least one year. >> that is fine. but i will be long gone, but the one concern i make about that requirement is we might end up with the situation where -- now with a forum we have somebody -- with a quorum you can have everybody that has not been here a year. it is unlikely, but why limit yourself to a rule where you will be incapable of conducting a meeting? i think the commission is more than capable of putting someone in there. if someone is uncomfortable, the rest of us are here to help. we all have our strengths, and i think it would not be a problem by leaving that out.

>> i set it my motion. >> i will second audrey's motion. -- i second my motion. >> [calling votes] >> item #6, hearing and possible action regarding applications for permits under the interests section of the entertainment commission. a, henry hu milo lounge, 1706 post, a place of entertainment, and maybe we can discuss this before we approve this. i know they had a laundry list of things we were supposed to accomplish before we decide this. >> this item is continued from

the july 24, 2012, meeting. the purpose was to allow the application to complete additional outreach and to pay citations. citations have been paid. they have conducted at least one cultural orientation in japantown. i do believe the first set of proposed conditions you received several weeks ago when they first appeared were when concerns were at their highest and they were recommending denial, but since then, the applicant and the northern station has come to an agreement. now they are recommending approval. i will let them speak. >> gentleman? >> at the last hearing you requested three items.

the first is the ticket. we take care of that. the second is security. we of state security -- we updat -- upped security for the weekend. good second is the bartender, and third thing is we have a meeting, so we showed them the venue. we took them to the venue and walk them through the plans, and he is ok with it. i left the card for nicklaus, so you are welcome to talk with him. >> before we hear from the

police department, to the commissioners have any questions for the applicant? >> i have a question for staff. you included in the binders petition for contacts, but the application was not here? >> it was only for saving the paper. i am happy to show you whatever you want. i have the whole file right here. >> how about these conditions? >> there are no specific conditions, but i will give you the first set as a starting point. >> you want to read them off for us? >> you are going to hire a security company? >> we do.

>> can you describe the process of your community outrage and maybe some of the things you learn to hearing that? >> -- you learned during that? >> we have about a two-hour meeting with him, so basically something like that. >> you feel like you learn something from their experience over the years with the other owner? >> so far there was one shooting and one got murdered, which was a couple years ago, so we want to keep it a safe neighborhood.

>> how many residents did you talk to? i see that you talked to lots of businesses, but just one guy from japantown? is that it? >> there was only one resident apartment, so most likely the next door business owner. >> there are several community groups in the area around japantown. >> he was out on vacation, so we left a message. we talk to the secretary, and she does not know when he is coming back, but we left a message. as soon as he comes back, we will contact him. >> maybe if you will just have a

seat, and we will let the police department -- is there somebody here from the station? >> good evening, commissioners. goowe would like it clearly stad they have a police two personnel while they are doing karaoke, anytime they are doing business. they did show me the of grated video surveillance and were going to provide it, maintain its 430 days. we would also like that as a condition -- maintained it -- maintain it for 30 days.

we would also like that as a condition. nobody contacted me in a negative manner, so that goes well. the main thing we are looking for is security officers at all times and maintenance. >> may i ask a question? >> you came in here denying this permanenit? >> yes. >> i am wondering why you changed your mind? when were the grounds? >> the objectived their obtainig a permit because they have outstanding citations, which we wanted adjudicated. also, we