ton of sense to approve these limits when we're approving the plan, so the plan has some certainty in getting implemented, so i'm very supportive of the motion. >> president buell. >> i have a couple of questions and some comments. i guess the first question is i received a letter today from the telegraph hills dwelling association and an action by our commission to increase absolute cumulative limits to accommodate these significant impacts is inconsistent with the plans of the eir and will be in violation of 295, i want the city attorney to weigh in on that, i don't want to be in violation of those sections. >> john from the city attorney's office, if i could

have a minute to review the letter which i just received and then i could respond to it. >> great, thank you, then let me ask staff for a minute and this would be the joint powers group, the rec and park department has a genuine concern about what ultimately happens with the open space and recreation facilities in the project. i know you can't answer that definitively today, i know we've had outside conversations about it, but i would like the record to reflect, if you can arrive at any conclusions about your recommendations about the disposition of those properties, you would come before our commission with that information. >> commissioner john ram with the planning department, we would certainly be happy to do that and we'll certainly have many discussion ins the disposition of those property ins the years to come. >> thank you very much, let me just make a couple of

observations, i'm encouraged by the fact that a long planning process that had some very sound reasoning behind it has met with so much community support and i mean by that the environmental implications of what we're doing. i was pleased at the beginning of the presentation to see how many thousands of tons of carbon would be saved by this kind of planning and putting jobs in transit and housing in some proximity to itself. i'm singing to the choir here, but the idea of seeing any real fundamental change in bringing to a level of 350 parts per billion carbon in the atmosphere is going to come primarily by conservation and changing the way we live, whether we do lots of solar or lots of wind or evolve to nuclear, whatever else happens, the only thing we can do is what we can do here, expecting the federal government or even the state to answer this problem has become increasingly

problematic, so acting locally and doing something about it is just enormously important, so at the expense of some, what i think are minimal impacts on parks, and i really love the work you did about the use in those parks because that's enormously helpful to us, i think that the general outcome of this is a very, very positive message to everybody. having said that, i share the concern that you're proposing lifting the allocations based on maximum height and bulk of these other buildings, but i asked the question, what happens when you come in with specific designs and they may be less than maximum, can we reduce the number? can we reduce the allocation to reflect the real design? >> joshua switzky, planning staff, you would only be allocating the amount necessary for any individual projects, and as the proposed amend *f amendments to the motion would

not let buildings outside the plan area avail of those unused allocations, so those two scenarios, the unused allocation goes unused forever or the commission could act to reduce the allocations again in the future if there was a real concern about unused allocation. >> i think that concern was expressed today and so i think it's a real one. and i think it actually ends up rewarding development that follows the path of what's been done here and really seriously looking long term on how and when we want growth and what we can do to get it. it doesn't need to be done today but it needs to be done as we jointly and individually look at projects and impacts on parks. >> john from the city attorney's office, i've had a chance to review the letter and

i would just like to make a few points about that. the first is that the letter sort of co-mingles what are common terms that are used both in the environmental analysis and ceqa process as well as in section 295, this is something the commissions grapple with. every time a shadow decision comes before it, but the terms of what's considered significant and insignificant under ceqa or adverse impacts under ceqa are different decisions, different analysis, different factors come into play. when those sixes are decisions are made in the process of 295 analysis prop k, so i wanted to point that out. i think the staff memo that you received does touch on this briefly as well.

i did also want to point out that commissioner sugaya raised another city attorney opinion, i just wanted to point out that addressed sort of a different question than the issue that is are before you today, so i don't think that that has bear -- bearing on today's decision, but i wanted to point out something about the 1989 memo that are raised in this letter and raised another city attorney opinion on the very issue that's before you. so, your action today does not violate the charter in any way, it doesn't violate prop k in any way, it doesn't violate section 295, and i think the staff presented in the beginning of the hearing how we got do the point we have with what we refer to as the 1989

memo which was an out growth of prop k and the authority vested in these two commissions to think about shadowing and parks in san francisco and to implement the intent of the voters and what the commissions elected to do in 1989 is adopt a memo that looked at certain parks, it created criteria, it created certain budget's limits of new shadowing on some of those parks and imposed on others said the no new shadow would be allowed, that was something -- prop k didn't spell that out to you, that was something that you decided as commissioners on how to implement prop k. you could have come up with an entirely different method, that's what you come up with, it's not set in stone, it's something that's flexible like the question that you raised earlier of how do you define

what's an adverse impact under prop k, those are questions and sixes that are left to the authority of the commission to decide case by case, you could adopt definitions, you haven't done so, you have left the flexibility as you go through the future to decide them as you see fit. so, in the same way that under the 1989 memo, you created criteria in the first place, you have the ability to change those criteria, and i want to read to you from a memo that the city attorney prepared, a public memo and i think i presented this to the planning commission when you consider the transit district center plan in may and this goes to the question of setting the limits that you've set, the acl's for certain parks and

changing them, the original careful cumulative limit and qualitative factors may prove sufficient, this is in reference to the 1989 memo, however, if new information and experience prove that the criteria are unnecessarily restrictive, or are in effective to protect parks from shadow or shading, then as commissioners have the implied necessary power and indeed a duty to change them. that clearly recognizes that the commissions have the ability to restrict at any time those parks that have shadow, they could allow for less if that's what their determination or they could allow for more when they think about the city and they think about the prop k and balance that in your decision-making. >> thank you.

>> planning commissioners, there's a motion on the floor for approval, the motion has been amended by the request of commissioner borden and it's been clarified by deputy city attorney, john mall march, he read into the regard, grammatical change tos the resolution on page 3 and page 4 and he read into the record some language to address the concerns offered by commissioner borden that basically states that the increased limits could not be used by projects outside the planned area, on that motion for the planning commission only, commissioner antonini. >> aye. >> borden? >> hao*i. >> hillis? >> commission cheerer moore? >> no. >> commissioner fong? >> aye. >> the commissioner passed 5-2 with commissioners sugaya and more voted against.

it also was to adopt ceqa findings. >> recreation and park commission. >> yes, i would like to make a motion on attachment 7 and i would like to read it into the record. joint resolution with the planning commission to amend the section 295 implementation [inaudible] adopted in 1989 to one raise the absolute cumulative shadow limits on 7 park properties, union square, st. mary's square, portsmouth square, maritime plaza, willie woo woo wong playground and boeddeker park, and two, incorporate additional quantitative criteria for 9 parks, the previously listed 7 parks plus woh hei yuen park that describe the quantity coverage area sdraition times of time and days of year of new

shadows and to adopt fiemdbacker findings under the environmental quality act with the amendment that i would ask the city attorney to read in. >> certainly, deputy city attorney, so the amendment would be the same amendment made by the planning commission, it would be on page 7 of attachment 7, and it would be on the first be it further resolved clause, at the end of that clause, the following would be added, and would not be available for buildings outside the plan, so the entire clause, be it further resolved, the increases in the acl specified by this resolution are limit today the general shadow profile tos the cumulative new shadows that could be cast within the central plan as define ined the eir defined for the plan and would not be available for buildings outside the plan. >> second. >> it's been moved and seconded, all those in favor?

>> aye. >> opposed? hearing none, it's unanimous. >> commissioners, we now need a motion for item number 2. >> i will make a motion to approve attachment 8 which is adopting findings to one recommend the planning commission that the net new shadow from the proposed project at 101 first street will not have an impact on union's square, mary's park square,..[reading].. and boeddeker card as required by section 295, the sunshine ordinance to allocate net new shadow at 101 first street at union square, st. mary's square, portsmouth square and

adopt the findings. >> moved and seconded, all those in favor? >> aye. >> aye. opposed, hearing none, it's unanimous. thank you. >> there being no further business before the joint bodies. >> we would entertain a motion to adjourn. >> moved. >> seconded. >> all moved and seconded on our side, so moved. >> so moved. >> second. >> meeting adjourned. >> thank you.

>> this lodge is home to some of the best fly casting pools in the world. these shallow concrete pools don't have fish. this is just a place where people come to practice their fly casting technique. ith was built in the 1930's and ever since, people have been coming here to get back to nature. every year, the world championship of fly casting is held in san francisco and visitors from all over the globe travel to be here. >> we are here with phil, general manage of san francisco rec and parks department at the

anglers lodge. what do you think about this? >> it is spectacular, travis from oregon, taught me a snake roll and a space cast. >> there are people from all over the world come to san francisco and say this is the place to be. >> yeah. it's amazing, we have teams from all over the world here today and they are thrilled. >> i flew from ireland to be here. and been practicing since for the competition. all the best casters in the world come here. my fellow countryman came in first place and james is on the current team and he is the head man. >> it's unique. will not see anything like it where you go to compete in the world. competitions in ireland, scotland, norway, japan, russia each year, the facilities here

in the park are second to none. there is no complex in the world that can touch it. >> i'm here with bob, and he has kindly agreed to tell me everything i need to know about casting. i'm going to suit up and next, we're in the water. >> what any gentleman should do. golden gate angling has free lessons the second saturday of every month. we have equipment show up on the 9:30 on the second saturday of every month and we'll teach them to fly cast. >> ok. we are in the water. >> let me acquaint you with the fly rod. >> nice to meet you. >> this is the lower grip and the upper grip. this is a reel and a fly line. we are going to use the flex of this rod to fling away.

exactly as you moved your hands. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> i'm a natural. >> push both arms forward and snap the lower hand into your tummy. push forward. >> i did gave it a try and had great time but i might need some more practice. i met someone else with real fly casting skills. her name is donna and she is an international fly casting champion. >> i have competed in the casting ponds in golden gate park in san francisco. i have been to japan and norway for fly casting competition. i spend my weekends here at the club and at the casting pond. it's a great place to learn and have fun. on a season day like this, it was the perfect spot to be. i find fly casting very relaxing

and also at the same time very challenging sport. takes me out into the nature. almost like drawing art in the air. and then i can make these beautiful loops out there. >> even though people from across the globe come here to compete, it's still a place where locals in the know relax and enjoy some rely unique scenery. until next time, get out and play!

>> here we are at the embarcadero. we are standing at one of locations for the street artists. can you tell me about this particular location, the program? >> this location is very significant. this was the very first and only location granted by the board of supervisors for the street artist when the program began in 1972. how does a person become a street artist? there are two major tenants. you must make the work yourself and you must sell the work yourself. a street artist, the license, then submitting the work to a

committee of artists. this committee actually watches them make the work in front of them so that we can verify that it is all their own work. >> what happened during the holiday to make this an exciting location? >> this would be a magic time of year. you would probably see this place is jammed with street artists. as the no, there is a lottery held at 6 in the morning. that is how sought after the spaces are. you might get as many as 150 street artists to show up for 50 spaces. >> what other areas can a licensed street artist go to? >> they can go to the fisherman's wharf area. they can go in and around union square. we have space is now up in the castro, in fact. >> how many are there? >> we have about 420. >> are they here all year round?

>> out of the 420, i know 150 to sell all year round. i mean like five-seven days a week. >> are they making their living of of this? >> this is their sole source of income for many. >> how long have you been with this program. how much has it changed? >> i have been with the program since it began 37 and a half years ago but i have seen changes in the trend. fashion comes and goes. >> i think that you can still find plenty of titis perhaps. >> this is because the 60's is retro for a lot of people. i have seen that come back, yes. >> people still think of this

city as the birth of that movement. great, thank you for talking about the background of the program. i'm excited to go shopping. >> i would like you to meet two street artists. this is linda and jeremy. >> night said to me to print them -- nice to meet you. >> can you talk to me about a variety of products that use cell? >> we have these lovely constructed platters. we make these wonderful powder bowls. they can have a lot of color. >> york also using your license. -- you are also using your

license. >> this means that i can register with the city. this makes sure that our family participated in making all of these. >> this comes by licensed artists. the person selling it is the person that made it. there is nothing better than the people that made it. >> i would like you to meet michael johnson. he has been in the program for over 8 years. >> nice to me you. what inspired your photography? >> i am inspired everything that i see. the greatest thing about being a photographer is being able to show other people what i see. i have mostly worked in cuba and work that i shot here in san

francisco. >> what is it about being a street artist that you particularly like? >> i liked it to the first day that i did it. i like talking to mentum people. talking about art or anything that comes to our minds. there is more visibility than i would see in any store front. this would cost us relatively very little. >> i am so happy to meet you. i wish you all of the best. >> you are the wonderful artist that makes these color coding. >> nice to me to. >> i have been a street artist since 1976. >> how did you decide to be a street artist? >> i was working on union

square. on lunch hours, i would be there visiting the artist. it was interesting, exciting, and i have a creative streak in me. it ranges from t-shirts, jackets, hats. what is the day of the life of a street artist? >> they have their 2536 in the morning. by the end of the day, the last people to pack the vehicle probably get on their own at 7:30 at night. >> nice to me to condemn the -- nice to meet you. >> it was a pleasure to share this with you. i hope that the bay area will descend upon the plaza and go through these arts and crafts and by some holiday gifts.

>> that would be amazing. thank you so much for the hard work that you do.