walker. >> hello barry corngold. i think that this is going to cause a lot of problems in loss>d$ of parking places and these -- icgl#sb forget what you call them, the balls or whatever, is going touuñ(y slow down traffic, it makes it harder to drop off people on the corner, whichh/r is cab drivers a big concern. i think hayes street:o is a block away. there's not really a big hill on hayes street%b9 uut ñ5pp scott and baker. and !çc okay, on page maybe, but oak and hayes are like a block away.÷/d why can't they just go down to hayes street. and addressing the cyclists,$qtmñ i heard comment about being concerned about climate change and peak oil and'n it is going to cause cars to drive aroundp?: a lot longer

looking for a parking place and this needs to be considered. i also wonder if would take part in critical mass consider all the pollution they're causing b9kxwl forcing hundreds of cars to wait, you know, at stoplights or wait forbaevñ them to get through the intersection idling, and for cyclists that seemi@4y to resent cars or think we don't need them, how do the parts forcgje their bikes get to the stores or the food they eat get to the stores if not by oil-burning products. i'm allï/f alternative energy but we have"xb to deal with reality. san francisco doesn't have any freeways going through the city. we havefej lights that i thajz are verysjájc important to move traffic during busy hours, oak and page are like, youww9:çomwrv know, parking lots. so i'm all for using hayes streetzl/d instead of fell street and page when possible, instead of"ñsw()ypse

there's no -- after divisadero going >> chairman nolan: next speaker. >> barry toronto, followed by andrew wateto95fx and then ann ferris. >> good afternoon.=?m chairman nolan. irzc nam not going to attack the plan because there had to be some solution created because this.tóx issue has been festering for a long time. and i want to applaud the traffic engineer4t< the work he had done to this, to try to come up with solutions. and i don't thinkwytjw this could be anything under what is requested, anything better could have been presented]%# having a separate lane could create problems j:jz terms of cab service. you are basically mak &w it difficult to drop off and pick up in the middle of those blocks by eliminating theqm?z parking -- or availability for cab drivers to drop off and pick up and there are people inç5'om the community that

are not here, more disabled and seniors, who -- and also people8qcjç who are moving, a lot of people move from that area, move into that area, ay)r71@q lot of transitory, a lot of people who have groceriesóó5q who don't have cars with families you need to drop off in front of theow8t-áuáq who can't walk a block with a lot of groceries. so thereífh are a lot of issues. also remember there is no freeway from the east side to the?çmn west side of the city so a lot of people who work and live in different parts ofk4%sze city or different parts of the bay area use that area toaj get where they need to go.qq&/ and that is a compromise considering there is no 'lp freeway. valencia street, get the cars offj valencia street and get them on guerrera or dolores and that works but!xcv you can't do that with fell and oak for obvious reasons. also i'vew agreed, i think there

should have been an environmental study done occurring how many losssof parking is going on. this is amazing how much parking has been0!p2z lost. their lot when they'ref3 closed. there]j is a lot of parking that is available. bank of america offers that after hours. thank you. >> andrew waters, anù=o] ferris kathy cora. >> good9.84 afternoon. my name is andrew waters i'm here representingvte÷ cabrio, we've recontributely obtainedókçav permits to operate outside the port of san francisco. i wanted to go through a few points iqxu- are relevant issues. i live atio lyon and mcallister and have a kid that i walk around the block so i have,e0 unique perspective on this. i'm for the plan. i think there's a couple big'ekz'

picture things that might be kind of -- the people that oppose this might be forgetting big picturotzc things here. city of san francisco has a transit first policy, that means$r; obtaining rights for anything other than the private automobile which includes bicyclists and we know thatg:n plan. the point is if you're eliminating parking as a reason that it's not good forkl8sn cars you've got to realize sfmta has reached out to create a newm÷ parking program for residential parking in the area, there's a lot of free and easy parkingkug in my opinion because i can find parking for a suburban that i use2

gasw÷÷óy uses a pedal connected to a3y3!3 big 3ty.ne. we can't just rip around in cars all day. geography will make this a@0ñ legacy issue. parking will be sorted out by new permits and there may be new issues thatup=y?t be oversought to think about signage in the panhandle to create ways that pedestrians>x side, bicyclists on another. that's an issue that might be overlookedz at wellgi3÷ pj making signage for private cars that connect÷ést the dot as well. thank you. >> an h ann s ferris, kathy core. >> goodh q afternoon, ann ferris. i live at the corner of broderick and page onu6dty page side. i have a concern about the bulbs that are going to go+ broderick and fell. or broderick an oak, excuse5igñ me. here's why. if they go in there it means the

trucks that5:s4ñ go to fillñetis, when they're coming down oak, if there is a car already5v ó coming south on broderick, there's no place for them tokpg, turn, there subject enough space because of the way the bulb goes. which means what┘z going to happen is thecg"/e traffic is going to go down -- the truck traffic÷ is going to go down to divis and come down and come back6{lñó&@[ up our hill on page. now the times thatg the trucks coming is 6:30 in the morning until 8:30. 4a s exactly when all of us are still asleep. already we are feeling that impacthql if that isn't intensified that's really an environmental issue.dpkl/ so i vote just to eliminate those two bulbs on thelmy filleti side of oak street and i think it will make a huge difference

in terms of our lifestyle. thank you. >> kathymy core. >> good afternoon. i want to thank you for theuuíe wiggle. i was sitting in the other room and i said i need to come and speak because thereaynr)en't that many people. i'm close to 70 years old and i bicycle6,k over the city and i live in another county. and i enjoy -- i go toee9r; the park up on fell street at least once a week. and we have like&? 1,000 people retiring a day, in this country. and iñg room say, well if you don't like fell street, go up page.rhr" ca4& well i refuse to. and i think that your plan should be approvedv:lui and go forward. and i know it's not the perfect solution. but i'd like]vgxñc. to see more women my age go up fell street but a lot of them wo feel that they're taking their life in their hands.

and i'd also like to see more families go up fell street. but the wiggle is fun. and i really enjoy coming to san francisco, because i am here during thec0 i still work in the commercial industry. thank you. >> chairman nolan: thanks so much. >> last ()2ms one -- faleti. >> good afternoon. i'm not here ebt really to address the big picture. i'm here to address some of the small picture items that are very important to our store and our neighborhood. in1-qç dealing with luis, he has made changes to the proposal(jo3h5 pá we've suggested. most importantly, not blocking broderick. and broderick at oak street. he has also helped us get0ih!÷

additional bicycle racks put at our store to help ñ out. we had discussions with him about the bulb outs on oak÷ñ8 street, the lady just spoke about, anddbsp3 the current drawing that we have, we agree with this. it has 12 bulbtc so this is -- does not agree with this. on this document it has a bulb out on the÷o-ñ northeast corner and the drawing does not luis agrees there should be one on the southeast corner not the northeast corner. i hope that clarification can be made. next, our issue is -- you've done the traffic study. we are not happy with/0 but you're the city. so we -- come on

problems we see is congestion on broderick and fell. whatk[;cq(&t would suggest to mitigate that is to allow exit from our garage which only has an entrance now on fell, also set the timings of light on broderick and fell so that there's a better chance of a left turn, andaf8ol limit lines at both ends of broderick at fell and oak so that thes2uo turning grade is for the trucks there so we won't get complete gridlock. >> chairman nolan: thank you. anyone else care to address thekwgmváwp board? seeing none public hearing is closed on this matter. >> looks like there is someone else who wishes to address. if there is anyone in the other overflow room who wishes to address the board and haspó/0ñ1í not yet done so, please come forward now. >> chairman nolan: go ahead. >> my name is karen alline, i livea

my husband has been -- i started biking about three and a half yearsofgr ago. there were just enough bike lanes in the city that i felt comfortable doing it. but baker to scott on fell and oak is the4hlqsñ three blocks of terror. and it's interesting because i don't tend to -- i do my shopping my bicycle and ihj'xd don't tend to shop in that neighborhood because it seems bike-unfriendly whereas valencia,strj?2

package we have before us or not? >>ñ[ this time. >> well, i guess my question would then be'px4v(tq to the director and ask why vote on a bulb out that we don't plan to pursue or has that decision been made? >> i don't know the answer to that. it sounds like the package is legislation that's before you and the changes a through m incorporate what we've been community all along. if this is[wkó part of f, where we have sidewalk widening and if= one, that's something -- >> i'm sympathetic to a business owner in the neighborhood but.e-ñ.u i guess it's more of a questions of process which is @ñ either we have the bulb out or not.

what are you recommending? >> all.d73ou the bulb outs are currently undergoing detailed design by public works and we don't have all the -- we have a chunk of construction planning but it's not clear we will be able to fund all 13 until we have the full detailed design and cost estimates because we might have to move hydrants, move storm drains and all that. so what our recommendation was is to do all the bulb outs that we think are feasible at this time and then -- sorry to legislate them and implement the ones that fit within our cost -- within our budget which may not be all of them and we wouldn't want to do that specific one if that has complaints around it. >> well7,lñ i'll leave thisèñ to board discussion but i think when we'="( concerns about this the project has been pimped pitched a little differently i wonder if wjjñ add itú6cd8

and funding. i'm not wild will legislating with drawings. that's a small issue. >> if i could director5 3e on that same point, another gentleman broughtur9[ up the bulb out, a separate bulb he was talking about. >> i don'`hall that specific one. >> scott street i think. >> mr. smith commented onjí4é adding bulb out that i heard. somebody else? i don't recall th5ô=7 one. >> that's my comment on that. so getting back to just a fewgmn other questions. how will trash pickup and street sweeping.'h segregated lanes? >>u3u them is the bike lane would be a little over seven f%h then the traffic islands would be placed in that buffer$q&vñ zone. but they would be further enough from the curb that they woulda>7>k

allow those different uses that are necessary, like we said thei garage. currently -- so i @n[ omment on how they will effectively do it because currently when they pick up trash they just move in and out of parking so they directly blocqthzf traffic. in terms of trash i can't tell you how they operationally will do it but/ this is an issue we're working out with dpw citywide how< 2j0 to design bikeways so they can be kept clean. >> the thought is for now that service vehicles like street sweepers, garage tux and taxis making a drop off would beúóut.s allowed in that lane that is the bike lane? >> yes. >> that's ax(pz helpful clarification. hopefully that play caits some of the taxid: to me the big issue is this, and i suspect the taxi drivers willeu6tal

ask we -- to the dpt folks1 issue tickets. but sort of the most focused opposition to this1v,3s is with respect to parking. that seems to be coming &uáz residents. i know you said at the beginning of the presentation that there was a proposal for an rpp program in the area but it didn't59jlmç reach the threshold 50%. and i have some questions about that because the threshold? is sort of a guideline we use when a neighborhood wants to -- under the status quo, put in a residential permit parking program where you say-çãz well you've got to have 50% of the neighborhood under fairness. this isn't ø: ç status quo situation. this is where we, as an agency, will be americaedly changing the'5ts9 xñ

one of them was in haight ash ashbury about 10 years ago and another near the hospital, the veterans hospital out on 32nd andr tcuçt clement where we reached the> you're talking about this neighborhood now. >> no. the other two÷1d even after we reached the minimum threshold. i think the lesson weée]s?

for this type of program to be successful it really needs to be enjoying a consensus support, broad support, throughout the neighborhood. and those two didn't happen and we had to withdraw the proposal. >> thank you. >> i would simply say then that we've heard -- you have involved a lot of neighborhood groups. we've heard a great deal about the outreach. i sus suspect when this program goes in we will hear concerns about parking and i would urge the agency to reach back out to@hhhl these ved groups and say look if you want a residential permit program that is one p>rsp5>.pv to address this issue and here's how you go about doing it. because i think the ground sweñ for support for such a program isn't going to be while it's on paper. if it's going to happenojh7ñ it's going to happen when spots are removed and neighbors can't find parking andé=2aí that would be the time to make sure neighbors understand the resource that we can provide here with the prograh that's all my questions.

>> chairman nolan: directorss-:m bridges. >> director bridges: he covered the issues i wanted to speak about and that was the/6+ drop-off with the paratransit, service vehicles and concerns about taxisj( drop off passengers taking longer. i'm concernedeúd conflicted in the documentation going back to the bulbout versus what youb c have in the staff inspect!.voting on that is a conflictn m i want to sure we're legislating on the right thing as well. >> i think we're comfortablew![9cidzys removing that particular bulb from this legislation at the time. >> i'll move that. >>ake that's another northwest corner of oak and broderick. >>' s and then also the concern that was presented withk')nxx,jñ olmos square association talking about the tunnel. if you could go back and address@gc those issues as well. >> sure.

as mr. hernandez was stateddingss5pm! that the folks in olmos square wanted to see the project expanded to be broaderwccb than just oak and fell between scott and baker. we have looked at their issuesq ) there's ongoing discussion with the fo/ and we have secured some funding next year to address conditions particularly on scotd street. so it's not the whole olmos square but 3j street as it extends further into6if=kom the wiggle. so i think we have funding to do some of those things but not theyog: whole package that he's asking for at this time.u> iabhave no questions. i just want to point out that we have to remember that we're not7suttájjt this project for the current cyclists who are actually out there on the street. we're doing this projectjúg9' for the cyclists who aren't out there on the streets and that's exactly nñtñ you talked about mr. montoya when you brought

thiseuga up. it is our goal our strategy, that we help people to decide to!@ç#r bike in san francisco. with blocks like that thereyqy(ç are a lot of people who won't block and who won't take the1yorárpvqj street hill or page street hill. it might not be that?ñ8 bad for a strong bicyclists but if you're coming home with aâ > groceries you won't take the hill and a lot of people cano@ ch ei-bike that. it will be interesting to see the genders implications. new york has been doing interesting questions with what happens to the gender mix of cyclists after they implement separated bike '&tñ>bi that the number of women bicyclists goes up. it's so important to get women cycling in the city, just as the equality issue alone i think is really big to me. and i just wanted to point out stop removal and i'll bring it

up because that's my bus stop and i'm happy to sacrifice that bus stop for efficiency of muni and the two or three parking spots we will gain. i'm ready to give a motion for approval. >> chairman nolan: we're not quite there yet. but aisle keep that m mind. what would be a problem with doing the continental crosswalk;wf6 . >> these projects are grant funded and the grant scope the geographic area up into that area. >> chairman nolan: i was hoping as to getsn:pñj and talk about it. it seems like a relatively inexpensive thing considering the other expenses. i would be interested in hearing about that. i thought it was intriguing about t$ose parking spaces about dmv and other parking lots, did you ever look at that? >> the dmv lot is available for weekend and evening. you have to pay