hicks and chief met to discuss the community out reach efforts as well as the foreman for the upcoming community meetings. those community meetings are schedule for october 22nd at 6:00 p.m. at 1900 deer boulevard. the second one is going to be on tuesday, october 23rd, also at 6:00 p.m. at the scottish rights cultural center. that is at 2850, 19th avenue. and the third meeting is at this point schedule as tuesday, october 30th, 6:00 p.m. at valentine high school at 693 vermont street. >> our efforts have included the discussions in terms of being in almost a continuous state of reaching out to the public to inform them with the opportunities to come and to be

heard and to give input. currently if you check the police department's website, actually specifically under police commission, you will have notice of the meetings themselves. and the draft, work and policy of the electronic control weapons general order, as well as a listing of the identified less lethal options that are being evaluated currently. so additionally, each district station captain has sent out, along with their daily newsletter and update and crime updates as well as their weekly newsletters, notices of these meetings and the opportunity for people to come actually and be heard and to give some input as to what direction they would like to see the department move in. ultimately, in evaluating all of the less lethal options. any recommendation will be made, one that is most effective as well as the most hum main. that is where we are at this

point. we will i beeve that we will have another opportunity to meet between the second and third meetings, so there will be some feedback, relative to what we are gathering from the community in these community meetings. >> thank you. >> any questions? >> >> i do. >> if you don't mind. when i was looking at this and i am coming in a little bit late and maybe you have answered it. but when i am looking at the costs and the effective range that is helpful. but what i don't see is the cost for the ex-spendable part, like whatever is being sent the projectile. like how much, i think that one of them here says 700 rounds per minute. but what are the costs like and i don't want to call it ammunition, so that part, so how much will it cost to reload that thing? and how much will it cost to train and how many officers are we talking about? so i get a better ideas of what

the total cost of what we are looking for. >> okay. >> that is my only comment on this. and i am going to do my best to attend these meetings, i am anxious to see how many community members come and who they report. and you know, i want to see how it is going. because i have been to some meetings that the police officers are giving like five people. >> sure. >> and i want to see how well it is attended and how well the out-reach is and i want to do my best to be there. >> commissioner chan? >> i guess that this is a good time to give a report back. so commissioner turman, commissioner loftus, ali and the occ and the chiefs that met last friday morning. it is great for the chief found time among the department's very busy schedule to meet with us and we planned to the upcoming community meetings. what i think that all of us agreed that we wanted to avoid was just recreating a commission meeting and having a

mini, taser debate. it would be better to have a open discussion where the people are engaged and it is not just this very, combative tone. so we are trying to aim for, and so the format that we agreed on was having a department present in the beginning for about 30 minutes or so max on not just tasers but also other less lethal options as the commissioner did other less lethal options so the department to give that presentation to show that research and for us to open it up and have an open discussion, so it won't be a two minute public. if someone is hoging the mic. we will ask them to step back. so no one is dominating the conversation, we will have the commissioners rotate to see who is going to moderate, since there are three commissioners and three community meetings. in terms of out reach, we wanted to highlight in the

resolution that we reviewed last time, there are specific groups that want to make sure that we reach out to such as the lgbt community and mental health issues and also target those groups and not only having the commission meetings and we want to actually specifically invite organizations and groups that might be involved with these communities and we specifically talked about crisis intervention training and doing out reach to the organizations who donated quite a bit of time to that. because the contemplated draft involved giving a less lethal option to a cit officer. we want to make sure that those groups who dedicated that much time in the trainings are aware of this. so that is where we are, and i will ask for an update too on cit and where we are and that will be in the scheduling meetings and that we can keep that in mind and that is something that we need to accomplish and get down. >> commissioner dejesus? >> i was actually contacted by a club and they are going to

have a meeting and they were wondering if a chief or someone could come and talk about the taser plan and that is another way to out reach is to attend one of the general membership meetings and i think that it is october 24th, and i can double check the date and maybe we can get someone there. >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> very active lgbt forum, the police forum run by ken craig and i think that they have been notified of the meetings and plan on attending. >> thank you, commander. >> thank you, president. >> item 2 b. >> occ director's report, discussion and review of recent activities. >> good evening, director hiks. good evening, president mazzucco, chief and members of the audience. i have passed out the september comprehensive report and normally this is part of your packet and i provide it to you in advance.

but some of the data that i needed was not available until yesterday. so i you do have it on your desk and i will discuss it. first complaints received. from september first 2012 to september 30th, the occ opened 62 cases which are 7 fewer cases than were opened in september, 2011. only opened 69 cases. in september, 2012, the occ investigators close td four classes and opened by closing 66 cases. as of september 30th. they had 215 pending cases as of today, they have 221 cases compared to 628 pending cases last year this time. >> so the investigators caseload have been reduced significantly. >> in the area of medation,

they mediated three cases that is five percent of the cases that we closed. in september, 19 officers were offered medation and all of them accepted. that does not mean that we will have 19 medations because the complainant has to accept and the rate of acceptance by complainant is only 50 percent. >> but today they have mediated 49 cases and that is more than we had mediated at this time last year. in the area of the sustained allegations the occ sustained allegations in four cases in september that is a 6 percent sustain rate. and in the area of ajudd indicated cases. they ajudd indicated three cases in september. all three of the cases involved allegations of conduct unbecoming of an officer. and one of them will be before the commission. in the other two cases, the chief imposed the chief admonished the officers for

their sustained allegations. and finally, in the area of out reach, occ staff, participated in four out reach activities in september. tender loin resource fair, summit called language matters, and that was sponsored by the office of civic engagement and community affairs. occ staff also attended the avr nc alternative dispute resolution of northern california celebration of bay volunteer mediaters and a out reach coordinator attended that along with investigator coal. hel encolderon attended that. >> the resource fair, again. salazar attended as well as william huewy. >> and salazar attended a event

that was hosted by the neighborhood that was their omi united festival and that concludes that i report. >> thank you, director hiks. any questions for the director regarding her report? >> no? >> thank you, very much. >> welcome. >> thank you. >> please call line item number 2 c. >> commission reports discussion, commission president report, commissioner's reports and commission announcements and scheduling for items identified for consideration at future commission meetings action. >> i want to report, that although we did not have a meeting it has been a busy few weeks here. the chief, i attended the retirement ceremony for the members of the san francisco retired in the past six months at the stottish right temple it was classy for those officers. they come in with a lot of fan fair and pomp and circumstance and now they are going out with it and i want to thank the chief and the command staff for doing that. and it was nice hearing a personal story about the officer. >> every officer said that if

they had to do it all over again, they would do it again. >> it is interesting, too, people talk about diversity, when you look at what is retiring from the police department is diversity which shows that this police department has been ahead of the kefsh for 25 to 35 years so it was an impressive ceremony. >> also we had a press conference and a community meeting involving the police involved shooting. the community was not at all concerned about the officer-involved shooting but about the response to it and so i attended that along with supervisor comp os and i like to thfrng him for being present. >> i had the opportunity to walk with the italy an heritage parade and it was a honor to be a member of the area. and we had quite and it was really good and it was han honor and i do invite you to do that and pass out the stickers

and watch the command staff interact with children and it was great and i want to thank them for that. commissioners do you have anything that you want to report? >> commissioner chan? >> it looks like we combined cand d? >> sure. >> i just mentioned getting an update on cit. my understanding is that the next cit training we have not had that for five or six months is schedule for october 22nd that week. and so rather than having someone give us an update that week, we will wait for the first week of november, november the 7th so that we balance all of the work that we have to put into this. so a report back on november 7th as to where we are with regards to cit and specifically where we are with regards of the cit resolution that this commission adopted january, and february of 2011. it is a pretty long resolution with a lot of steps in there and where are we in meeting those various steps. >> does that work? monroe for the 7th in

>> yes. >> perfect. >> great. commissioner loftus? >> yes. so recognizing that we as public safety agencies don't operate in silos, yesterday, the board of supervisors made a decision to reinstate sheriff murcarimi who has been convicted of a domestic incident against his wife and on probation, i feel like it was weeks ago that i was commoneding them for what i have viewed over my career to be a true partnership. and i know that the chief is not here, but i hope that deputy chief you can share with the chief that i think that we to as a department reenergize ourselves in terms of out reach to domestic violence, potential victims, and we have got language access issues. i know that there is a new officer who is on the beat doing this. and i know that he just started a couple of weeks ago, but i hope that the chief can give us

a report back on the department's efforts to continue to out reach and make sure that the city is aware that this department does not accommodate violence against women that nothing has changed. the safety net that has been well established continues. and i would like to work with my colleagues to schedule a date where we can get a snapshot from the department on where we are on domestic vie liens staffing and what the cases look like and what we need to do as a department to make sure that we keep folks safe. >> okay. >> if there are any reports or announcements for scheduling future meetings. hearing none, it is time for public comment, regarding line items 2, a, b, c, or d.

>> sorry, we do have to announce our community meeting. go for it i apologize. >> dr. marshall? >> excuse me. the police commission will hold a spefsh meeting at a location other than city hall. it will meet in the southern district at the south of market recreation center auditor um at 270, 6th street, san francisco, on wednesday, october 17th, 2012. at 6:00 p.m. comments to the public and southern station, acting captain steven bomo concerning the southern district. >> i was waiting for the clock to come on so it is still off. so i will speak. i am not going to take two minutes any way. briefly, commissioners, good evening. i just want to make reference to the so-called electronic control weapons that i believe are the tasers. and while we are not calling them tasers, that the public is

familiar with. and two, that you are going to have these actual community meetings and schedule will there be posted on buses or newspapers with the media or the people to actually see or will they be listed on the site because part of the problem is the public at large is that when they tis the certain events they put it on buses and put out 1400 posters and get a community to show up. in the past i have seen various police commission meetings where not that many people showed up because they did not know what was going on and i think that if you are going to put these out, properly, to either post them on the buses or in the newspapers, and two, the properly call them what the public knows them to be which are tasers instead of ecws. ei think that would be more appropriate in my opinion. too is that my biggest problem with all of these weapons is that i don't believe that the sfpd can afford any weapons problem. i don't have any problems actually with the taser outside of the fact that it is a new

expensive weapon. i have sent four letters to the previous sheriff to get a cost report going back over a number of years for the sheriff's department that has tasers, and mr. henase was leaving the office and never came back and he never responded to the letters. i have given 6 pieces in support of mr. ross murry coming back and i have sent 17 letters to the board of supervisors, i believe that this time around we will get a cost analysis from the chief as in terms of what they will cost including training, ammunition, over a period of time, per officer. and i think that this should be also introduced at any meeting that you do have on this subject. and i will do what i can to get those to you as fast as possible. i don't know if we are going to have it by the date of october 22nd, though. >> thank you for your time in that matter. >> any further public comment?

>> come on forward. >> i have complete faith in your budget, you guys know exactly what you need. vy been affiliated with special weapons for over 35 years. so, i wish you the best on your budget and whatever you decide to have with your police force is already with me. i just want to state something to the president right now. i'm the one that gave you that private information and i want to take that very seriously sir, and thank you. >> and have a good day. and be safe. >> thank you. >> any further public comment? >> hearing none, the public comment is now closed please call line item number three. >> line item number three. public comment on that? >> the public comment on that is pertaining to item, excuse me.

>> public comment on matters pertaining to item five below, closed session and including public comment on vote whether to hold item 5 in closed session. >> public comment regarding our closed session matters dealing with disciplinary matters? >> hearing none. public comment is closed. >> line item four, vote to hold number five in closed session, action. >> do i have a motion? >> i move. >> all in favor in >> aye. >> ladies and gentlemen, we >> do i have a motion to disclose or not to disclose.

>> not to disclose. >> alicia winterstein. aye.