roll call for introductions in the order of voting right now is done on odd-even basis. the suggestion is that it rotate alphabetically every week so supervisor campos would be this tuesday, and then he would introduce his items and would be first in voting order and the next week, whatever supervisor would be after supervisor campos would be next in line. 5.31 is a duplication. this section was added to clarify the meaning of a duplication of a file. and the difference between dividing the question, and it was put in there to review and may be a talking point. those are all the significant changes. i have to apologize that the document, that i'm holding up, was not able to be visibly displayed to the public because of the font size. it will be available in the packet and on our website after the meeting so the public will be able to see it.

the committee members have it had access to it. so i am privileged to finish and answer any questions, if not angela will have some amendments to make. >> chair kim: thank you. are there any questions? supervisor elsbernd. >> supervisor elsbernd: thanks. and this might be a -- question, kay. this was one i just caught as i was coming in here was a rule that i didn't quite get, very minuscule. the rule 2.22.2, this is getting into charter amendments. in 2.22.1, we talked about how charter:'ñ?ñ? amendments must be signed by a city attorney, and includecgñ?ñ? a -- digest. 2.22.2 says any proposed charter amendment which has prepared or approved as to form by the city attorney. when has that ever happened, and when could that ever happen? when could a supervisor ever introduce adyñ?ñ charter amendmt

that has not already been approved as to form? and so the question is what's the point of this rule? >> i'm going to go -- can i answer that question. i'm just going back to the old days. there was things that were called skeletal charter amendments. >> supervisor elsbernd: which we prohibit now under these rules. >> so i gets6÷ñ? you could intre a charter amendment and have it go into committee)ñ?ñ but nevee out unsigned. but maybe you're right, supervisor&ññ?ñ? elsbernd. i can't think of one. this is one we did not change. >> supervisor elsbernd: right. and that's why i just caught it before i walked in, i was reading through everything. >> yeah, i'm not sure. for an ordinance -- >> supervisor elsbernd: take a look at it. okay. thank you. >> chair kim: thank you. thankñ?ñ>> to continue in your t are awoñ?ñ? listing of about fir six additional0uñ?ñ amendments.

under rule 2.21, we're asking to insert some language that already existed that i think we just accidently deleted, which is the clerk ofa

presented to the board. this is particularly when there is a mayoralw7?y3:çuç veto. in years past, a%ññ?ñ? veto was communicated on a tuesday by the clerk, and then the clerkiiñ?ñ?ñ immediately put it on the following tuesday's board agenda. what we're going to do is that if a member of the board requests that there be a veto override, that they will let the clerk know in writingf7)[ in tio actually consider that veto. after -- let's see here. on rule 6.1, i just have two left -- we're going to delete the word saturday just to ensure that we have covered all of our days and we don't wantz?ñ?ñ? tot this rule to saturdays. rule 6.9 has to do with9xñ?ñ the website design. from 20 years ago, that this board1oñ?ñ? ruled might be a lie bit outdated. i have committed to the board to maintain the board's website in

the rpñ?ñ?arious different waysh each of you request me to do so. a board rule is notbpñ?ñ? neces. to make a motioneñ?ñ? to accepte changes that we've @zñ?ñ?discusd today, i'm certainly happy to answer any questions. weugñ?ñ? would appreciate the dt then sitting in your committee for several weeks, for a motion to continue would also'wñ?ñ? ben order for the 15th of novemb??ñ?ñr. >> chair kim: thank you, madam clerk. and certainly&6ñ?ñ? appreciate e work that is involved in cleaning up the language around our board rules. and i think this is certainly helpful and also more clear, and also puts into writing some of the things we've been doing practice, including as you mentioned revenue measures which have already been referredgl9ovo our budget and finance committee instead of our rules committee.

around website design and maintenance acknowledging that is something the clerk's office will continue to do. before we take a motion to accept these amendments, i'm going to open this item up for public comment. so if you'd/qñ?ñ?ñ like to speao minutes. >> david pilpel. i haveneñ?ñ? spoken to angela, , and rick, about the proposed rules. i had a couple of thoughts,buñ?? actually, the website design is not 6.9, it'síúñ?ñ? 6.8 in the íar my two biggest concerns at this appeals. one. sorry. this will take me a moment to finde÷ñ?ñ?ñ. 419? sorry. thankjzñ?ñ? you.

4.19, public hearingnlñ?ñ? on a, i would really like the order2af the appeal presenters to be changed so that on the bulleted list on pageñ?ñ? 31 of the drat that's before you, it wouldçñ?ñe the appellant first,quñ?ñ? thene agency representative, then the leader of the opposition or essentially the real party, and following that person supporting the appellant, persons opposing the appellant, and then theoñ?ñ? appellant with rebuttal. there are instances when i've appeared at appeal hearings and not been clear÷ñ?ñ? on whether m supporting or opposing the appeal and wanted to hear from both sides, and then be able to weigh in. and the current rule doesn't really allow for that. also, that rule doesn't make clear filed should be handledçñ?ñ? separately. it's my view that anyone who brings in $500 and asks for an

appeal to be heard should be entitled to their own time, and consideration of+uñ?ñ?ñ? their l and the merits, rather than consolidating matters and forcing matters who may have different interestf;ñs8g÷ to se time. iot justice is served in that regard. i'm happy to continue to communicateñ?ñ? with the clerk's office on other changes. i think this is great work by the entire gang, kay, angela, rick,ñcñ?ñ john, cheryl,>pñ?ñ? , alex, everybody, and happy to continue working on this very important project÷xñ?ñ?ñ that vw other people care about, unfortunately. thank you very much. >> chair kim: thank you, mr. pilpel. we always appreciate your feedback. is there any other public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is nowjñ?ñ? closed. is there any comments before we okay. seeing none, do we have a motion

to accept the amendments that were stated? >> i totally agree, these amendments of the whole, correct? >> chair kim: yes,es, of the whole. madam clerk, did you want to >> supervisor elsbernd: to'nsvñdr8e november 15. >> thank you. supervisor elsbernd is right, continue to november 15. we would also ask that the motion be amended, that the effective date fornzñ?ñ? these d rules be january 8, 2013, and that would be onapñ?ñ? the cover motion. >> chair kim: thank5jñ?ñ? you. so we do have a motion to accept these amendments as a whole, and also to amend)çhmg2p the board - the amended board rules would 2013. so we do have that motion.

opposition. then we have a motion to continue this item to$mñ?ñ? novr 15, rules committee. >> so moved. >> chair kim: we can do that again without opposition. thank you so much to the clerk's office. i know several different legislative aides from different offices were involvedgññ?ñ?ñ ine weekly meetings. so i wanted to thank everyone for all their work on this effort. thank you. before we entertain a motion to convene into closed session is there any member of the public who wishes to speak on items 5 through 10? i'm sorry, 5 through 11. so if you'd like to speak on itemscñ?ñ 5 through 11. seeing none, public comment on those items are closed. colleagues, do we have a motion to convene in closed session? >> so moved.

>> chair kim: we can do that members of the public we are at this time convening into closed the committee room. we will be reporting at the conclusion of!%a when we reconvene back into ope? session. >> (the rules committee÷farkj#ñn closed session)

attorney. >> city attorney: deputy city attorney john griv ner. in closed session the committee through 11 to the full board with recommendation. >> chair kim: thank you. disclose what occurred in closed session. we had a motion and second. opposition. so we did find out that one of it. i think hew?vv2ñ=k outside. this is for item 2, for the veterans affairs commission. suspend our rules so we cand[!er just -- we can reopen this item. >> i move to suspend the rules. >> chair kim: great. so we do have a motion to suspend the rules.

in order to reopen item 2 which we have continued. mr. michael maffei, i know that you've rushed to get over here so we will certainly hear8÷=erxu today in stead of two weeks. i am so sorry. apologize for taking your time and to commissioners levin and wong for being here. i thank you very much. >> supervisor elsbernd: no problem. i know you missed the format but we asked focusek039 folks to tat their experience. you had members of the public speak on your behalf so we we would like to hear you speak today and we will not ask you to come back again. thank you again. i appreciate your time. i served -- after law schoololi u.c. haisings i served in the

united states navy as a jag. i assisted service members who issues, where one would seek an defender in the navy, which means i defended service members who were accused of

system because of alcohol and substance abuse. it'sñ?ñ? also the homeless probm in our city. and i would like to assist in bringing my wealth of knowledge to advise the mayor, help with programs, solutions, to identify and treat those uniquenqñ?ñ? conditions that are only to service members due to their military service. so i'm very passionate about this. i'm still a reservist. i've been attending the meetings and it's definitely something i think cries out for a solution and i would very much like to be a part of that. >> chair kim: thank you. it's my understanding you have attended many if not all of the veteran affair commission meetings. >> since i've moved here to san francisco two years ago, i've attended[çh"] many. i haven't had a perfect attendance record but yet. >> chair kim: thank you for your commitment and dedication already. seeing no questions from members, we have entertained a

motion to continue this to the call of the chair. do we have a motion to continue to the call of the chair? >> so moved. without opposition. thank you for making it here. we will hear this item again and make our final determination on? the applicants that we move forward but we were happy to hear you tad. >> thankxmñ?ñ you. you. >> chair kim: madam clerk,rv items? >> linda wong: no, madam chair. meeting is adjourned. thank you. w"o5vñ

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