i think that language actually are concerns about the operations of the committee, i think those can be expressedamúo the committee and to the puc and those can always be made better. are largely within your control. appointments come up i[eñ?ñ? think you can and shoulk whatever questions are appropriate to%[qjc candidates. one actually a couple of quick things. extends the committee for three years. if there is interest in reorganizia8-irgv the committeu may want to extend it for less than three years so that you could extenduyflsuf again, or there is also reference on page submitting a resolution of the board supporting the extension. i didn't find that in the file.

if that could make its way into board if this advances out of committee that would bej!""4% finally, the chair of the puc terence jones, was at this meeting, couldn't stay, asked me to communicate his1(m÷jíc conct the bogfy ofs --é,+ the members of the commission, caítoac, and this board ofa supervisors, are available on the appropriate websites, but there is no similar biography rate fairness board and he discussion, i don't know that you need to write it into the legislation, but that you communicate a desire to the8dv$c and%úñ?ñ? to these bodies to pre biographies that can be placed puc website to increase transparency. otherwise i support the extension andóxxl >> chaiv 9j÷ayou. >> chair kim: is there any other public comment on this

item? seeing none, public comment is[ñ closed. supervisor ferrell. >> supervisor farrell: thank you. colleagues, i want to thank you last time around. we -- i think it was a good idea to do that, and i/ó;aoie know te again i will reiterate where i was and after speaking with our city attorney as well, even though it seems to be -- there are some issues, i'd rather -- and flaws, i would rather see the revenue oversight committee within that for changes. from a public conference lemp but also from a rating point of view that is a big deal and can come out to millions of dollars. that's what i would suggest everyone for their comments on that and again commit to make that a reality. i would move item 3 forward with a recommendation to the board. >> chair kim: we have a second and we can do that without

opposition. thank you. madam clerk, can you please call item 4. >> linda wong: item 4, motion amending the board of supervisors rules of order, in their entirety, to correct clerical corrections, proper placement of sections and additional updates. >> chair kim: thank you. we have the author of this item hereññ?ñ at rules committee tod. supervisor sean elsbernd, would? you like to say a few words. >> supervisor elsbernd: sure. toaoñ?ñ?ñ call me the author ofi think is unnecessary and frankly inappropriate. changing the board rules, kicking it around to make it more efficient for the clerk of the board is something that angela and i have been talking about for a long time, a couple ofh@ñ?ñ? years. and angela and kay are here to tell you what they've comegzñ?ñp with. i will tell you that a few of our colleagues have come up to me and asked me what tricks, what games have i played with the amendments here. i will assure you, there are none, that there is actually very little, if any, that i had

anything to do with. this is all angela, the clerk's office, the city attorney, solely designed to make their lives easier. that's what this is about, is making this -- making our board rules work a little easier for our staff. so with that, if it's okay with you, chair kim, i'd like to ask angela to present the item. >> thank you. good afternoon, chair kim, members of the rules commit, angela calvilloy÷ñ?ñ?, clerk ofe board. we found early references in the mid-40's for the things being considered in the rules committee. thankfhñ?ñ? you forbmñ?ñ? havinn rules. the÷pñ?ñ?áóñ?ñ?ofñ?ñ consolidatr the last 150 years various

supervisors have amended these rules and our thanks to supervisor elsbernd, the most senior member of the board in helping us sponsor this legislation. the proposed revision does not seek to change the way the board conducts its business. we had three goals in mind. we wanted to reorganize the rules so the order is more intuitive, making the rules more users friendly, we wanted to clarify existing rules by eliminating redundancies and codifying practices such always doobication of the file and overall general edit of the document. to date we've held two working groups sifting of legislative staff from all board offices, we've obtained suggestions from deputy city attorney john givner and the the#$s#ktks previous dy attorney cheryl adams. there is worth mentioning honorable mention for several deputy, director rick cal dera,

and operations deputy madeline,? peggy, my assistant, alex, supervisor elsbernd's office and judson, from the president's office. but most importantly, to the=añ? board, in total, for approving the department's budget, which to shepherd this for me and the? board. she has combined exerns as an assistantoñ?ñ? clerk, as a legislative deputy clerk and as active clerk of the board, 40 years worth, in the department, and extensive knowledge of the board's rules of order. i am grateful to kay for her effort. so now, i will hand it over to kay to review what the most salient changes are. afterwards, i would3hñ?ñ? like o review with the committee a couple of additional amendments that we're going to ask for, in the end, we're going to ask that an amendment of the whole be accepted. our expectation is that should

those amendments be accepted then the document itself will sit in your committee for two weeks to allow supervisors and legislative aides and members of the public opportunity to review them before we hear it in december at the full board. and now i'll call up ms. gulbengay to make the presentation.3:sñ?ñ?@ >> thank you. i am privileged to be here again. or 1832 section that she waslíñ? quoting. what you have before you, i've handed out a list of significant changes that we've done through staff suggestions from your offices. and you have a document that shows the current rules of order, the proposed changes, and the final row shows what it will actually look like when we finish today, or in the next rules committee. so the significant changes is a 2.12 document, where we've requested that sponsors be notified when items are/ñ?ñ?

requested to be on a calendar before the chair actually:pñ?ñ? calendars them. this is to create a,qk  friend, more0?ñ?ñ? interaction between s so that supervisors will know when their items are being scheduled. 2.1(a), mayor's appointments we've created4yñ?ñ three separae sections for each appointment that the board needs to confirm. there will be an appendix listing it and the approval. 22.5, we've added a substitute or amendment to a charter amendment may be introduced granted that the lead sponsorpmñ introducing such substitute have -- cosponsors to ensure cosponsors still want to remain a sponsor of the item if there were significant changes. 3.6, action by chair and committee, will work with the clerk of the staff to ensure all deadlines are met for pending

legislations. there are times that a chair would not calendar a matter. this will ensure the clerk will comply with the provisions if there is a 30 day deadline if these matters get agendized. 3.11 is committee attendance. if the clerk receives notifications that five or more supervisors may attend a committee meeting, language relating to constituting a special meeting of the fullñ@jl board will be placed on agenda. as you know right now at the budget and finance special meetings, it's automatically put talked about and possibly there was a suggestion that this automatically be on each agenda but right now we're just putting this receive notification in a reasonable time.o 8yál 4.13 is recognition of commendations. right now we're requesting that the time be 2 pm rather than 3:30. this is to ensure that business isn't halted and it's a better time. the clerk of the board suggested

this is just a4.w=dx talking ti, that it could be 2:30. group recognitions would be put at a special time and a special order, as chosen by the clerk of the board or the president of the board. so you'd have 2 pm, you would handle individual recognitions, and groups, whatever time you wanted it -- special times for appeals, 4.1(a) or public hearings would be changing from 4:00 to 3 pm. roll call for introductions in the order of voting right now is done on odd-even basis. the suggestion is that it rotate alphabetically every week so supervisor campos would be this tuesday, and then he would introduce his items and would be first in voting order and the next week, whatever supervisor would be after supervisor campos would be next in line. 5.31 is a duplication. this section was added to

clarify the meaning of a duplication of a file. and the difference between dividing the question, and it was put in there to review and may be a talking point. those are all the significant changes. i have to apologize that the document, that i'm holding up, was not able to be visibly displayed to the public because of the font size. it will be available in the packet and on our website after the meeting so the public will be able to see it. the committee members have it had access to it. so i am privileged to finish and answer any questions, if not angela will have some amendments to make. >> chair kim: thank you. are there any questions? supervisor elsbernd. >> supervisor elsbernd: thanks. and this might be a -- question, kay. this was one i just caught as i was coming in here was a rule that i didn't quite get, very minuscule. the rule 2.22.2, this is getting

into charter amendments. in 2.22.1, we talked about how charter:'ñ?ñ? amendments must be signed by a city attorney, and includecgñ?ñ? a -- digest. 2.22.2 says any proposed charter amendment which has prepared or approved as to form by the city attorney. when has that ever happened, and when could that ever happen? when could a supervisor ever introduce adyñ?ñ charter amendmt that has not already been approved as to form? and so the question is what's the point of this rule? >> i'm going to go -- can i answer that question. i'm just going back to the old days. there was things that were called skeletal charter amendments. >> supervisor elsbernd: which we prohibit now under these rules. >> so i gets6÷ñ? you could intre a charter amendment and have it go into committee)ñ?ñ but nevee out unsigned. but maybe you're right, supervisor&ññ?ñ? elsbernd. i can't think of one.

this is one we did not change. >> supervisor elsbernd: right. and that's why i just caught it before i walked in, i was reading through everything. >> yeah, i'm not sure. for an ordinance -- >> supervisor elsbernd: take a look at it. okay. thank you. >> chair kim: thank you. thankñ?ñ>> to continue in your t are awoñ?ñ? listing of about fir six additional0uñ?ñ amendments. under rule 2.21, we're asking to insert some language that already existed that i think we just accidently deleted, which is the clerk ofa

be placed on that agenda rather than a special agenda. rule 3.26 which is not on your list, but chair kim, you and i have discussed items that could be referred to the rules committee, ballot measures, certainly, except revenue measures, which will be heard in the budget and finance committee. that was one that you and i indicated was a fair addition. rule 5.26,.ññ?ñ? inserted after presented to the board. this is particularly when there is a mayoralw7?y3:çuç veto. in years past, a%ññ?ñ? veto was communicated on a tuesday by the clerk, and then the clerkiiñ?ñ?ñ immediately put it on the following tuesday's board agenda. what we're going to do is that if a member of the board requests that there be a veto override, that they will let the clerk know in writingf7)[ in tio actually consider that veto.

after -- let's see here. on rule 6.1, i just have two left -- we're going to delete the word saturday just to ensure that we have covered all of our days and we don't wantz?ñ?ñ? tot this rule to saturdays. rule 6.9 has to do with9xñ?ñ the website design. from 20 years ago, that this board1oñ?ñ? ruled might be a lie bit outdated. i have committed to the board to maintain the board's website in the rpñ?ñ?arious different waysh each of you request me to do so. a board rule is notbpñ?ñ? neces. to make a motioneñ?ñ? to accepte changes that we've @zñ?ñ?discusd today, i'm certainly happy to answer any questions. weugñ?ñ? would appreciate the dt then sitting in your committee for several weeks, for a motion

to continue would also'wñ?ñ? ben order for the 15th of novemb??ñ?ñr. >> chair kim: thank you, madam clerk. and certainly&6ñ?ñ? appreciate e work that is involved in cleaning up the language around our board rules. and i think this is certainly helpful and also more clear, and also puts into writing some of the things we've been doing practice, including as you mentioned revenue measures which have already been referredgl9ovo our budget and finance committee instead of our rules committee. around website design and maintenance acknowledging that is something the clerk's office will continue to do. before we take a motion to accept these amendments, i'm going to open this item up for public comment. so if you'd/qñ?ñ?ñ like to speao minutes. >> david pilpel. i haveneñ?ñ? spoken to angela, , and rick, about the proposed rules. i had a couple of thoughts,buñ?? actually, the website design is not 6.9, it'síúñ?ñ? 6.8 in the

íar my two biggest concerns at this appeals. one. sorry. this will take me a moment to finde÷ñ?ñ?ñ. 419? sorry. thankjzñ?ñ? you. 4.19, public hearingnlñ?ñ? on a, i would really like the order2af the appeal presenters to be changed so that on the bulleted list on pageñ?ñ? 31 of the drat that's before you, it wouldçñ?ñe the appellant first,quñ?ñ? thene agency representative, then the leader of the opposition or essentially the real party, and following that person supporting the appellant, persons opposing

the appellant, and then theoñ?ñ? appellant with rebuttal. there are instances when i've appeared at appeal hearings and not been clear÷ñ?ñ? on whether m supporting or opposing the appeal and wanted to hear from both sides, and then be able to weigh in. and the current rule doesn't really allow for that. also, that rule doesn't make clear filed should be handledçñ?ñ? separately. it's my view that anyone who brings in $500 and asks for an appeal to be heard should be entitled to their own time, and consideration of+uñ?ñ?ñ? their l and the merits, rather than consolidating matters and forcing matters who may have different interestf;ñs8g÷ to se time. iot justice is served in that regard. i'm happy to continue to communicateñ?ñ? with the clerk's office on other changes. i think this is great work by the entire gang, kay, angela, rick,ñcñ?ñ john, cheryl,>pñ?ñ? ,

alex, everybody, and happy to continue working on this very important project÷xñ?ñ?ñ that vw other people care about, unfortunately. thank you very much. >> chair kim: thank you, mr. pilpel. we always appreciate your feedback. is there any other public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is nowjñ?ñ? closed. is there any comments before we okay. seeing none, do we have a motion to accept the amendments that were stated? >> i totally agree, these amendments of the whole, correct? >> chair kim: yes,es, of the whole. madam clerk, did you want to >> supervisor elsbernd: to'nsvñdr8e november 15. >> thank you. supervisor elsbernd is right, continue to november 15. we would also ask that the motion be amended, that the

effective date fornzñ?ñ? these d rules be january 8, 2013, and that would be onapñ?ñ? the cover motion. >> chair kim: thank5jñ?ñ? you. so we do have a motion to accept these amendments as a whole, and also to amend)çhmg2p the board - the amended board rules would 2013. so we do have that motion. opposition. then we have a motion to continue this item to$mñ?ñ? novr 15, rules committee. >> so moved. >> chair kim: we can do that again without opposition. thank you so much to the clerk's office. i know several different legislative aides from different offices were involvedgññ?ñ?ñ ine weekly meetings. so i wanted to thank everyone for all their work on this effort. thank you. before we entertain a motion to convene into closed session is

there any member of the public who wishes to speak on items 5 through 10? i'm sorry, 5 through 11. so if you'd like to speak on itemscñ?ñ 5 through 11. seeing none, public comment on those items are closed. colleagues, do we have a motion to convene in closed session? >> so moved. >> chair kim: we can do that members of the public we are at this time convening into closed attorney. >> city attorney: deputy city attorney john griv ner. in closed session the committee through 11 to the full board with recommendation.

>> chair kim: thank you. disclose what occurred in closed session. we had a motion and second. opposition. so we did find out that one of it. i think hew?vv2ñ=k outside. this is for item 2, for the veterans affairs commission. suspend our rules so we cand[!er just -- we can reopen this item. >> i move to suspend the rules. >> chair kim: great. so we do have a motion to suspend the rules. in order to reopen item 2 which we have continued. mr. michael maffei, i know that you've rushed to get over here so we will certainly hear8÷=erxu today in stead of two weeks. i am so sorry. apologize for taking your time

and to commissioners levin and wong for being here. i thank you very much. >> supervisor elsbernd: no problem. i know you missed the format but we asked focusek039 folks to tat their experience. you had members of the public speak on your behalf so we we would like to hear you speak today and we will not ask you to come back again. thank you again. i appreciate your time. i served -- after law schoololi u.c. haisings i served in the united states navy as a jag. i assisted service members who issues, where one would seek an defender in the navy, which means i defended service members who were accused of

years and now i'm with the san francisco district attorney's office. i'm still a reservist in the navy.oy!xups) realizing that the veterans affairs commission is an advisory board to the mayor, ig just have seen so many service members coming back from iraq and afghanistan with a host of unique issues, post-traumatic stress disorder, brain injuries, and these problems leave outstanding service members to get funneled into the%lñ?ñ? juse system because of alcohol and substance abuse. it'sñ?ñ? also the homeless probm in our city. and i would like to assist in bringing my wealth of knowledge to advise the mayor, help with programs, solutions, to identify and treat those uniquenqñ?ñ? conditions that are only to service members due to their military service. so i'm very passionate about

this. i'm still a reservist. i've been attending the meetings and it's definitely something i think cries out for a solution and i would very much like to be a part of that. >> chair kim: thank you. it's my understanding you have attended many if not all of the veteran affair commission meetings. >> since i've moved here to san francisco two years ago, i've attended[çh"] many. i haven't had a perfect attendance record but yet. >> chair kim: thank you for your commitment and dedication already. seeing no questions from members, we have entertained a motion to continue this to the call of the chair. do we have a motion to continue to the call of the chair? >> so moved. without opposition. thank you for making it here. we will hear this item again and make our final determination on? the applicants that we move forward but we were happy to hear you tad. >> thankxmñ?ñ you. you. >> chair kim: madam clerk,rv

items? >> linda wong: no, madam chair. meeting is adjourned. thank you. w"o5vñ