about opt out universally and we need the community, our leaders part of that effort and that will be very important and when we get to the third item here that we have a strategy. >> there is actually some interesting models -- i'm on the air district board and a lot of outreach they do. in fact there is a committee around public outreach. they have strategies perhaps we could cull to our needs for this and i think the director there of outreach is lisa fizano. they have "share the air" days alerts and use the social media. they involve the directors to reach out to businesses for spare the air day and benefits and i think we can have a robust program and the wheel has been invented and we

could modify it for our needs. >> okay. i want to make sure that i set the right expectations for the meeting on the 30th, the joint meeting. what we are proposing to discuss is sort of the scope and purpose of the preenrollment and opt out, what communities we're proposing to go to. once we have clarity from our policy makers on the approach we're -- sort of the audience, then we can dig into, okay, how do we best reach the audience? so we won't be doing that on the 30th with the plan. we want to make sure we have the audience right first and the detail behind that will follow and it might be constructive to spend some time

on the 30th getting more ideas and examples and models from the policy makers, from the commission, the two commissions. that might be a constructive item for discussion. maybe we can preview some of the models that you're suggesting commissioner avalos, and see if there is a general agreement that that's the type of approach you would like to see, and then we can go back working with our consultant to develop a more targeted focused program given that feedback. thank you. >> thank you very much. commissioner olague. >> yes. i will confirm you probably be partnering with community based organizationos this. who are some of them, just curious? >> i rely on the external affairs folks for that, but we reached out to your offices and asked for input. we reached out to the mayor's office on

neighborhood services. we have a list of community organizations that the puc worked with his historically. >> we will assist however we can obviously. >> jason has made presentations -- i want to say -- >> lafco and puc staff over two years now gone to over a hundred community groups for presentations and street fairs. it's not as recent. we are kicking back up into that and why you have the fliers and that is temporary and it wasn't representing what was current and we want something out there now while we work on the permanent pieces in the future. >> how about the affordable housing and public housing,

housing authority? >> some of those folks -- some of those don't pay their own utility bills. >> correct. >> so that's a little different of a customer base than we're looking at rolling out too. >> i am wondering have those conversations happened with henry alvarez or those folks? i am just curious. >> i know we went to some of groups but i can't help you off the top of my head the individuals that were at the meetings. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. colleague any other questions or comments about this? why don't we open it up to public comment. >> good afternoon again commissioners. eric brooks representing san francisco green party and local grass-roots organization "our city". so i wanted on the last note the green fest is november 10, and 11. some of the advocates will be there putting out community

choice material and i think you guys had plans to be there. i'm not sure. and just wanted to kind of back up what ms. hale was saying it will take -- that november 30 we will have some of the stuff crunched that has come in from local power and other consultants but there is still a long way to go to learn about -- especially the possibility of offering customers and even to your point commissioner olague even low income customers to buy into shares of the program or to get energy efficiency installed in tandem for signing up with the program so there are reasons to reach out even to the communities we're not planning to enroll in the first phase and that is really important. the last point that i would raise just to make sure it's on everybody's radar screen, and i ask all the commissioners to hear this one because it's something i haven't brought up

before, and commissioner campos i think you were at least at a hearing about the revenue bond oversight committee. some very serious issues have been raised about that committee and as the build out work proceeds and gets off the ground next spring we need to make sure that any of these questions and complications that currently exist with the revenue bond oversight committee are cleaned up and that body is fully independent and functional when we start bonding for the large scale local installation of renewables and efficiencies. if you folks would -- i wanted to give you that red flag right away so you're on top of that. >> thank you very much mr. brooks. any other member of the public that would like to speak? seeing none public comment is closed. i guess one question they want to make sure that we answer is in terms of agenda items for the joint meeting, can you give us a

little more information what that will look like so that we have a better sense of what it is that we're going to try to accomplish? >> barbara hale, assistant general manager for power. what i am proposing and ms. miller and i have not yet had an opportunity to discuss this more fully. i understand the commission secretaries have talked and it's a to do on our list just to talk further. what we would like to propose is to address the time line for providing service, and to give you a flavor of some of the key steps, key activities that have to occur for us to be able to go forward, and to discuss the scope, geographic scope and size of the program and customer base we would be proposing to offer

service to in the first phase, both through preenrollment program and the opt out portion of the program so it's those two primary items we have at the puc on our list to discuss with you. miss miller, did you have anything to add or subtract? >> i thought we would talk about marketing and outreach and an item and providing a schedule and have the consultant come if that is possible to talk about approach. >> yes, i think we can definitely talk about general approach. again we need feedback from policy makers on the scope and the size of the program, the initial program offering to be clear on who our audience is that you're comfortable with who we perceive as the audience in the first phase before we get into the

detail of the component and the detail would follow and we want to make sure we're doing target outreach and education and it speeds to focused on a specific audience. >> will there be a recommendation from staff along those lines, or is that something that you need something from -- for instance members of lafco or the board of supervisors just to make sure that we're doing what you need to give us at least our feedback? >> right. we will be making a recommendation. it will be building on the approach we had originally proposed prior to the amendments to the program that were adopted by the board, so we will put together envelope that will help you. >> >> help us in advance of the

hearing, help you help us determine what the real audience is for this first phase. >> and in terms of that recommendation, so i assume it will be presented at the joint meeting. >> yes. >> will there be an opportunity -- is there any plan to discuss the recommendations with members of this commission or members of the board to the extent that maybe specific neighborhoods are impacted? >> so we would be happy to come around and talk with folks to make sure that it's clear what it is we're recommending to get feedback, and i think we will be in a position to do that the week before the hearing. >> i would encourage you to do that because i think that there were specific concerns that some supervisors had for instance, and i want to make sure those

are taken into account as you're making those recommendations. >> yes. >> colleagues are there -- is there anything else that any of you believe should be added or should be part of that joint meeting that has not been talked about? i just want to make sure we're all on the same page. okay. commissioner avalos. >> i think perhaps just having real brief understanding of what the opposition would be and how we might be able to move forward, cognizant of what the opposition looks like and the strategy at the early stage expect to have in place. i don't mean opposition from people who do not sign up for the program or who would opt out, but from the pg&e of the world and other groups. >> and on that note one

question that i had was whether or not at some point -- i don't know if it's something that should be done at a joint meeting, but maybe it's something that could be looked at here at lafco, but it's the idea of what were some of the challenges that marin for instance faced as they were implementing their program? i don't know if that is something that could be a part of a presentation to the joint two bodies. i don't know if you have thoughts about that. >> i do have one thought about that. don't forget since marin launched their program working together with marin, senator leno proposed legislation that includes a code of contact for caa's and the under lying utility so there are new rules that weren't in place when marin launched their program governing that level of engagement and

the conduct of the utility and the caa, so there -- i think it's useful to spend time briefing folks on the rules of engagement are from that legislative effort as much as we know them, but it won't be exactly the same experience because of that. >> well i think that it would be helpful to have that context. i think that would be useful -- i imagine for both commissions to do that. ms. miller. >> and i am just assuming and barbara i know we will talk off line that we will have an update on shell and mobile energy if there are issues or status of where we are with those two contracts. >> great. colleague any other questions? again we want to thank staff and puc for their presentation. we have taken

public comment on this item. why don't we now go to item six. >> item six public comment. members of the public may address the commission on matters that are within their jurisdiction and not on today's agenda. >> any public comment? seeing none public comment is closed. item seven. >> item seven future agenda items. >> and now i would like -- oh commissioner avalos. >> sure. thank you chair campos. just -- i of having ongoing conversations with mr. fried and i thought the commission would like to know about them. i have been exploring over the last year and a half the creation of a municipal bank in san francisco. one idea about the bank we're creating another separate government authority that could be under the purview of lafco

and i want to see if we have some sense on the commission to be able to allow for jason to help us explore this a little bit further. there are a lot of regulatory and legal issues and we have the city were attorney asking questions for us and but there might be something else for us to roll something out or the ways we actually use the government dollars and programs that offer loans to small businesses or community organizations to do work in the city and i think it's worth exploring what the context is we're in now to something that could be in place later, so i wanted to throw that out there that jason could be helpful for that effort. >> commissioners, any thoughts on that before we turn to public comment? >> i think it's a great idea to do that and i think it's

something that lafco could definitely be very helpful o the one suggestion i would have which is in addition to this is that even as that work begins i would like to schedule as an agenda item a work land for lafco or at least a work plan for the coming year so we as a commission can have a discussion about what -- besides overseeing the implementation of caa working on this municipal bank, what other things we want to tackle, and i think by the time that we have that agenda item and have that discussion each of you will have an opportunity to think about some of the things that that you think might be appropriate for us to work on, but i think it would be good for us collectively as a commission

to develop a work plan because i think that will not only inform us, but it will certainly guide the work of staff, so unless there are comments why don't we open it up to public comment. >> one more time. eric brooks, san francisco green party and our city. i wasn't going to speak on this item until commissioner avalos said the great words that he said. i have worked on a lot of campaigns over the last decade with a lot of progressive groups, and definitely in our top three goals of every group i ever worked with is a municipal bank, so i would say absolutely and i think if you look back at the history of cleanpower sf it took lafco to make sure that moved forward i think it would

take lafco to go forward with a municipal bank and it's a regional bank and opportunities with other cities, and especially with regard to the ability of a municipal bank to do nonprofit and non interest loans for home ownership, for shall public profits, improving public housing, solving the housing program that we have in the city, low income and housing. it's. >> >> huge and a miewm bank could take us light years and i will second and third what commissioner avalos said. thank you. >> thank you. any other member of the public that would like to speak on item seven? seeing none public comment is closed. mr. fried. >> yeah. i wanted to add -- i am working on a memo for you to understand the areas that we could work on, big picture ways

to approach -- trying to think of future topics so i will get that memo to you within the next week and happy to talk to you between now and the next meeting if you have questions. one thing i want to go back to the municipal bank issue. in the discussion with commissioner avalos one thing he was pointing out specifically as working on it, but i will need legal advice and counsel from ms. miller and it's lafco staff and not just me focusing on this stuff just to make sure we have that right. >>i think it's appropriate. the timing of this discussion is very appropro and in the next few months we have to approve a budget and come up with something that reflects priorities and we want to make sure in that budget that budget reflects the priorities that we will have and to the extent

there is additional work needed on some of the areas whether it's work by legal counsel, but perhaps outside experts as well if that is reflected in that. >> can do. >> great. so in terms of moving forward so unless there is any objection i think that's it's appropriate for you to begin that work and to work with commissioner avalos. seeing no other comments madam clerk is there any other -- you call the next item. >> item eight is adjournment. >> great. there is no other business before the commission and the meeting is adjournd and we wish our san francisco giants good luck and let's bring the championship back. meeting adjourned.

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