>> next speaker. >> hi. my name is kelsey beyer and i just wanted to follow up on that gentleman's comment, two commenters ago, that said there are people who are drawn actually to the castro and to san francisco because of the tolerance that the city shows towards nudity and nudists and the human body in general, and i am one of those people. i came here four years ago. i moved in 2008 after having visited the city only once, and my time in the castro i saw three new men on the street and casually interacting with each other, and it was really i guess eye opening and reassuring to me about the world, and i decided that this is where i should be, and i decided to move here based

on the fact that i thought it was a city where i could be more tolerated and understood than anywhere else. i could imagine in the united states. and also i don't see how nudity is harmful for children to see. i feel like for myself i grew up with a catholic background and a certain amount of body shame and it has taken me years to get over that, and to empbrace and love the body that i approved here in, and i feel that seeing the vast rage range of vareggs. >> >> of the human form is great and their body is okay and there is nothing wrong or criminal about it so i oppose this legislation as well. thank you. >> thank you very much. [applause]

>> next speaker. >> supervisors, my name is tim mullins and the government affairs chair for the american association for nude recreation. i am a california resident and currently live in the sacramento area so i come to the bay area quite a bit. we have membership in san francisco of over 2,000 members, and the american association for nude recreation is opposed to your ordinance. are you taking a drastic approach to a simple problem in a small area. we think that should be addressed by looking at your currently existing pliewd behavior laws. we oppose that legislation. >> thank you very much. are there any other -- if anyone else would like to make public comment please come forward. yes. human or alien. >> my name is paul. hello

panel and i just wanted to say i lived in san francisco for 42 years and there is no other place i would love because of san francisco's style and its charm and its difference and diversity, and i just wanted to address the a forementioned to the sea long little merraid at the cast ro. i was there one morn when it was going on and nude people. it was a glorious san francisco day, and i couldn't have been prouder of my city at that moment as i sat there and watched the healthy back and forth of families coming under ground and rush to see aerial and rushing past the naked people and everyday and so why we live in san francisco. i simply couldn't have been prouder. it struck me as extremely healthy and if you're concerned about the morals of

your children discovering we're naked under our clothes maybe you shouldn't bring them to the theater on a saturday morning, and anyway i continue to be proud of my city, but unfortunately with this legislation it taxes one's patience and i am not in support of it. >> thank you very much. any other member of the public that would like to make public comment. next speaker please. >> if there is anyone in the over flow room now is the time to come in. >> i am mickey jones and we very much support your legislation. what has been going through my mind and listening to these comments. 365 days a year organizations like glad and nclr, hrc. we try to convince most people in society that gay

people are the same as everybody else except for the genders of our partners and i don't see this even though it's represented as such, as a gay issue. we are diverse as any population. we go to work. we pay bills. some are property owners. some are renders. we cover every religious background from all over the world so i find it somewhat offensive for this to be framed as a gay issue and i don't find it as such. as a gay women we have children and grandchildren and we don't like seeing the naked guys in the castro and i appreciate what you're doing in pushing this legislation. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> my name is susan thompson. i have lived on the edge of doris park and 20th street for 30

years. i support the legislation. an example -- more than once i of on castro street at my bank and encountered the naked people and i find it very objectionable. recently i wanted to catch the f streetcar and i walked up and real quick scan to see where not to look, and there was a naked man standing on the platform so hi to take the subway. just a couple days ago i was walking past the castro theater and a mother and her little girl was there as a naked man approached us full on, and i sort of walked over in front of the child and the mother thanked me there are now naked people in dolores park and steps away from the play ground and now i have seen naked women as well. i think it's

not a gay issue. it's a is she of civility. if you're a nude iftd go to a nude camp or beach or someplace. i don't care if you do that but don't walk around in the streets and make me look at it. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> my name is don reynolds and i'm not a resident of san francisco. i am a resident of sunny valley. i came from oregon in 62 to work and on the way down my dad gave me a talk. go to the tenderloin. that's a weird place or whatever so i didn't happen to tour there, but i now appreciate the diversity of san francisco and the comment -- well, that's the home of the fruits and nuts" and do something else. is there a camera here that i'm not

looking at? up there. >> you can look wherever you want. >> okay. i want to call your attention from the issue of a parent in terms of body shame and that's the nudity part of this. it's just a small piece but it was mentioned in the whole thing and people who are afraid to have their kids see naked people. well, we all grow up nude when we start out and the whole issue is how do we approach this growing up? this book went through a study and five years at least of groups that were grew up in a nudist home and swimming pools and versus another group that grew up in textile homes and followed the children through puberty andel doing with the opposite sex and young adults and found out they were more acceptance

of the opposite sex and the nudity group and if people raising kids if i was starting over i would try to implement that. i wasn't able to because my boys are grown now and get in touch with the nature society and see if you can get it. thank you. >> thank you very much. any member of the public who wishes to make public comment? any additional? seeing none mr. chairman may we close public comment. >> public comment is closed. >> i want to thank everyone that came out today on both sides of this issue, and i have said before, and i will say it again. this is -- and i hope everyone on both sides of the issue can acknowledge this is a difficult issue. this is not an issue that i sought. i did not wake up one morning and decide "hey i have a great idea. let's ban

public nudity". this is an issue that developed over time and what some say is a real issue in the community. there are people i respect and like very much in the other side of this issue and it's always challenging in politics where people that you like and respect are on the other side, but i do believe this is the right way to proceed. it has been suggested that i somewhat about this for media attention or political gain. well, let me tell you i don't exactly like my name in the media in the same article as cock rings and all sorts of other stuff. it's not why i did it. i do enormous work around transportation and housing and that is by far and a way what i prefer to be doing, but when you're a supervisor and an issue arising you can't bury your head in the sand and pretend it's not there. i did not rush into this. i waited two years to do this, and i believe it's the

right way to proceed. i do want to address a few comments made about this being "a few people or a fall vocal group". that is just not accurate. one of the advantages or challenges, or however you want to phrase it and being a district supervisor and i am sure my colleagues will vouch for this. you hear every conceivable perspective on every issue. people email you, call you and facebook you and express all the different views and while it's exhausting it's wonderful because you hear everything and sometimes you hear things that you never even thought of before, but it is an advantage of being in this position and i think that anyone who thinks it's just a small group of people or just a few people or it's not people in

the castro is mistaken. there was reference to the 1500 people who signed the change .org petition that i know colleagues we all received. well, for the first thousand of the 1500 there was a setting that said where people were from and i actually looked at every single one of those to see where the people were from and kept an informal tally and 60% or 2/3 were not from san francisco. now people not from san francisco have every right to have an opinion about san francisco. we are an international city and beacon in many ways, but i think that also speaks volumes, and in terms of public opinion in san francisco, and in terms of the swrog bee poll that was mentioned about people in san francisco not offended by non sexual nudity. i suspect that if you insert

questions about "would you like to have naked people seven days a week standing on a corner near your house?" i am willing to bet that poll result would change. fundamentally i disagree with the argument. the logic goes if we ban one thing, anything, we might as well ban everything and be a fascist society and therefore don't ban anything or we going to become like that. i think that is extreme logic and if you look at our code and the codes of many other very progressive cities we have all sorts of laws that say you can do things and there are limits to what you can do. someone mentioned ian rand and i that was very appropriate. we live in a community. we live in a community that is densely populated and we all have to be able to live together, and i

don't agree with ian rand and it's all about you and as an individual and i can do anything i want no matter what, no matter the impact on other people, so colleagues i think this legislation is a reasonable response to a real issue. it is a very narrow piece of legislation, particularly compared to other codes, governing nudity in the city and i move that we forward this to the board with a positive recommendation. >> supervisor chu. >> thank you. i do want thank supervisor wiener for bringing this legislation to us and the thoughtful comments. i also want to thank members of the public that came to speak. i listened intently for those for and against the legislation. i will be supporting the legislation. what was compelling to me was the people that lived in the neighborhood.

there were people that live and oppose the legislation and i recognize that from the comments today but the idea of a sense of community, people from all walks of life, whether you're a family, whether you didn't have a family and be safe and comfortable in the neighborhood was something that was very compelling to me, so i just wanted to express that. i think someone who is against it also said this is a community we want to be part of and it's one where you can live and respect each other and i do think because of how people feel strongly about public nudity it's important that the respect goes in all directions and a space that is comfortable for everybody and that's the reasons why i am supporting the legislation. i heard a number of folks that said it's not narrowly tailord and i believe it is and i wanted to express that as well so i will be supporting this. >> thank you supervisor chu.

supervisor wiener has made a motion to send this item forward. supervisor chu has seconded it. i agree with that motion. i agree with what both said and mr. clerk if we could forward this without recommendation. any other items before the committee? >> that concludes the items. >> meeting is adjourned.

>> when there's good children's theater, it is good theater. if it is good theater, you would like it. even if it is for children that, is what i think. i know for the velveteen rabbit, i feel it is a story for kids and much older people. it is about being a young child and loving a toy or friend and it is also about what it means to get old. in 1986 my son was 2.

i decided i would like to adapt the velveteen rabbit. mind you, i had never read it as a child but heard it as a mother. my first time was a bedtime story recording. it was through that that i defined the theme and really determined how i was going to produce the story. is it true listening to it. when i made the dance i watched my son, since i have been taking him to live performances since he was 6 years old. he loved it when he saw his peers or when someone was reading to him or he heard language. early when the bunny first comes out they go, ah, the rabbit. i think talking, flying,

something they can relate to. and the adults love nana. nan na is the main adult figure in the show. the fairy is played by the same person. fair is very much like the love for your first child. pure love. nature is a beautiful thing. all wild rabbits come from nature. i think nature is mysterious, beautiful, not something our kids get very much these days. there's fantastical

spectacle because of computers and film. i think in live performance, in a way being paired down, you can be more successful and ask everybody to buy into the world you are in. if it is a simple world they will buy in, as long as the world is consistent that you have on stage. in some ways i also want that message for kids. it doesn't have to be spectacle but how you feel and having fun and taking things seriously, not about being blown away. >> what is real? it is a thing that happens to you when a child loves you for a long, long time. >> i think it is a success. for the most part if you are three to seven, you sit in the seats and most of the time the kids are engaged. they laugh and ask

questions. i think that is success. the fact we tour it and do it here, it is lasting. i really want to say the reason it is lasting is because of the story marjorie williams wrote is a gem of a story. if it was just an okay story, it wouldn't have lasted this long. i have had people say that is the first show i ever saw, that is why i am a choreographer. i have had people that have come back when they are 20 and 23 years old. little kids and people in their 50s and 60s are telling me how much they love it. they come back more than once, they come back year after year.

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